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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 14:01:01 GMT -5
Janet, George Michael, Whitney, Mariah's debut all had 4 number 1s off an album. These achievements all happened in a very specific 4-5 year time span though. It's akin to the spurt of 1m+ debut-week albums in the early 2000's IMO. It's an abnormal rate of occurrence specific to the sales and radio climate at that particular time, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was easy to accomplish it. It is still a pretty rare feat no matter what decade. If the pre-Soundscan era was so much easier to manipulate and "everything" went number one back then, then why are there only eight other artists besides Mariah and Rihanna to get 10+ number ones (with three of those artists being pretty much through with their careers by the early 70's and a fourth, Stevie, having accomplished most of his success in the 60's and 70's)? I don't think racking up multiple #1's is any more or less difficult to do now than it was back then. I think the pre-Soundscan era just had more "iconic" artists with long careers and huge established fanbases so you have more people with a stack of #1 hits. The Soundscan era has plenty of short-term pop stars, but few artists with longevity and even fewer whom one can argue have reached or will reach iconic status.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 17, 2011 14:03:02 GMT -5
Now that she reached this record it only goes to show how irrelevant it is. Not really. I'm sorry but do you have that record? Out of the thousands (tens of thousands?) artist that have charted on the BB Hot 100, how many of them have matched the record? O Okay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 14:09:46 GMT -5
What an incredible feat. It's always nice in these days of declining album sales and closing music stores when a positive record is achieved.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 17, 2011 14:22:19 GMT -5
Congrats to a great album that actually had 5 #1's on it, not really to her though.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 17, 2011 14:32:10 GMT -5
Why there's a separate thread of this, let's say, not that earth shattering news?
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Post by jgizzle89 on Aug 17, 2011 14:33:30 GMT -5
Thoroughly disappointed that she got 5 number 1's. She certainly earned it, but she still seems like a forgettable star to me. Like a Paula Abdul.
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Post by Juanca on Aug 17, 2011 14:38:11 GMT -5
Janet, George Michael, Whitney, PAULA ABDUL, Mariah's debut all had 4 number 1s off an album. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 14:41:47 GMT -5
Janet, George Michael, Whitney, Mariah's debut all had 4 number 1s off an album. These achievements all happened in a very specific 4-5 year time span though. It's akin to the spurt of 1m+ debut-week albums in the early 2000's IMO. It's an abnormal rate of occurrence specific to the sales and radio climate at that particular time, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was easy to accomplish it. It is still a pretty rare feat no matter what decade. If the pre-Soundscan era was so much easier to manipulate and "everything" went number one back then, then why are there only eight other artists besides Mariah and Rihanna to get 10+ number ones (with three of those artists being pretty much through with their careers by the early 70's and a fourth, Stevie, having accomplished most of his success in the 60's and 70's)? I don't think racking up multiple #1's is any more or less difficult to do now than it was back then. I think the pre-Soundscan era just had more "iconic" artists with long careers and huge established fanbases so you have more people with a stack of #1 hits. The Soundscan era has plenty of short-term pop stars, but few artists with longevity and even fewer whom one can argue have reached or will reach iconic status. Well said. This is kind of what I meant but obviously did not end up expressing as well in my post.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 17, 2011 14:43:01 GMT -5
Thoroughly disappointed that she got 5 number 1's. She certainly earned it, but she still seems like a forgettable star to me. Like a Paula Abdul. I think this just proves they've really been pushing for this and they've really made her a single sales artist rather than an album sales artist. You would think the album to have this ~amazing 5 #1's accomplishment~ would be at 4-5M sold. And it's really just these singles that are selling well to give her the record- it worked out perfectly that noone has bought the album and haven't already had the singles.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 14:52:28 GMT -5
Thoroughly disappointed that she got 5 number 1's. She certainly earned it, but she still seems like a forgettable star to me. Like a Paula Abdul. I think this just proves they've really been pushing for this and they've really made her a single sales artist rather than an album sales artist. You would think the album to have this ~amazing 5 #1's accomplishment~ would be at 4-5M sold. And it's really just these singles that are selling well to give her the record- it worked out perfectly that noone has bought the album and haven't already had the singles. Actually the record companies should push the singles market harder. I think they are doing the right thing with Katy. People just want a good song most of the time. No one sits and listens to an album all the way through like that anymore.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Aug 17, 2011 14:54:16 GMT -5
Even though her people pulled a lot of stunts w/the last 2 singles, especially in the past couple of weeks, I still wanna congratulate her. It's still remarkable. Now I wouldn't be surprised if her label continues to milk out this album, or re-release it.
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Post by Oprah on Aug 17, 2011 14:54:52 GMT -5
Billboard should say something because what's going to happen now? Will ALL artists now release remixes if they don't like where their single looks like it's going to peak? If someone wants a top 10 record, but it looks like they are just going to miss getting one, will they release a remix to try to boast their song into the top 10? Sure. There's nothing stopping them. OMG THE LABEL USED PROMOTION TO PROMOTE THEIR SONG, AND IT WORKED!?!?!? >:( >:( >:( :( >:( Releasing a last minute copy and paste remix doesn't really fall under the realm of promotion.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 14:56:15 GMT -5
Sure. There's nothing stopping them. OMG THE LABEL USED PROMOTION TO PROMOTE THEIR SONG, AND IT WORKED!?!?!? >:( >:( >:( :( >:( Releasing a last minute copy and paste remix doesn't really fall under the realm of promotion. I actually thought it was somewhat counter productive. If I had known that simply listing the song on the 69 cent Itunes wall would generate so many sales... I would've done that instead. Look how effective it's been so far. Even I bought a shit ton of songs today that I probably wouldn't have bought otherwise.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 17, 2011 14:59:23 GMT -5
Sure. There's nothing stopping them. OMG THE LABEL USED PROMOTION TO PROMOTE THEIR SONG, AND IT WORKED!?!?!? >:( >:( >:( :( >:( Releasing a last minute copy and paste remix doesn't really fall under the realm of promotion. We has Snookie Monster telling us for at least 3 weeks that there was a remix coming. It wasn't really last minute.
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Post by Juanca on Aug 17, 2011 15:05:05 GMT -5
OK. This is a question for the chart purists, though. Shouldn't Katy's achievement also have an *asterisk* -or at least a footnote?
The article says:
Katy Perry becomes the first woman, and second artist overall following Michael Jackson, in the 53-year history of the Billboard Hot 100 to send five songs from an album to No. 1 (...)
The historic Hot 100 coronation follows the album's prior No. 1s "California Gurls" (featuring Snoop Dogg), the lead single from "Teenage Dream,"; the title cut; "Firework"; and, "E.T." (featuring Kanye West). The set bowed atop the Billboard 200 album chart dated Sept. 11, 2010, and has sold 1.7 million copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
However, "E.T." (featuring Kanye West) did not appear in the Teenage Dream album ???
Anyway: Congrats to Katy Perry and Capitol Records for the 5th consecutive #1 :)
It is true that this is slightly 'tainted' given the last-minute tactic of a Missy remix that gave the song enough points to make it chart higher. This is the 3rd time it has happened in a short span of time (Britney sure wanted #1 with teth TTWE remix. Still, she got a new peak).
But it is true that remixes have been out to support songs many times before. Just to name a few: Avril's "Girlfriend", Taylor Swift's "Love Story" pop remix, Shania's pop mixes, DHT's "Listen to your Heart" candlelight mix, Beyonce's "Until the End of Time" (w/ Justin Timberlake), Christina Aguilera's "Come On Over [All I Want Is You]", Lady Antebellum's "Need You Now" remix, Rihanna's "Umbrella/Cinderella", Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" (ODB remix), Madonna's "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" (Miami mix), etc., etc. Of course, cases are more noticeable when the song does reach #1... and even worse when it makes/re-writes history... but as many have said, remixes and features are just another way to play the chart game.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 17, 2011 15:06:40 GMT -5
There are so many rules and chart manipulations over the years - that's the way the game is played. Remember, back in the day singles were only released when the label chose to do so (equivalent of suppressing), then in 1990s some artists released limited run of singles to get on charts (My Heart Goes On), while some of the biggest hits of the DECADE were not eligible (Don't Speak, Iris, Torn, etc.), during digital era, Billboard counted digital 2x airplay, but then that changed later on. Charts are continually manipulated by both Billboard and industry. Katy hit #1 on Airplay and Digital.
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Post by Oprah on Aug 17, 2011 15:07:09 GMT -5
Releasing a last minute copy and paste remix doesn't really fall under the realm of promotion. We has Snookie Monster telling us for at least 3 weeks that there was a remix coming. It wasn't really last minute. He actually told us two days before it was originally supposed to be released, although that's irrelevant; the point is, releasing a slightly different form of the original product is not 'promotion'. Promotion is buying up media space to make the public aware of & interested in what you're selling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 15:08:02 GMT -5
Dr Luke tweeted 3 or so weeks before the release that he was working on a remix.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 17, 2011 15:13:17 GMT -5
Promotion is buying up media space to make the public aware of & interested in what you're selling. Promotion is something used to promote a product. A nationally televised performance. A banner on a website. A billboard. A poster. A Music video. Or in this case, a remix.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 17, 2011 15:28:23 GMT -5
Too bad she cheated to to get to #1.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 17, 2011 15:36:50 GMT -5
Good for her. I can't help but feel underwhelmed. Maybe it's because of the remix. Maybe it's because all of the singles were mediocre to average. It's just a record. It'll eventually be broken, hopefully by someone better with better material.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 17, 2011 15:43:04 GMT -5
Good for her. I can't help but feel underwhelmed. Maybe it's because of the remix. Maybe it's because all of the singles were mediocre to average. It's just a record. It'll eventually be broken, hopefully by someone better with better material. I personally think Teenage Dream is the most solid pop album released in years.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 17, 2011 15:45:41 GMT -5
If course you do. You're a Katy Perry stan. That's like telling me the sky is blue, the moon has craters, and the sun is very hot.
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 17, 2011 15:47:27 GMT -5
Good for her. I can't help but feel underwhelmed. Maybe it's because of the remix. Maybe it's because all of the singles were mediocre to average. It's just a record. It'll eventually be broken, hopefully by someone better with better material. I personally think Teenage Dream is the most solid pop album released in years. I agree.
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Post by Jay on Aug 17, 2011 15:47:33 GMT -5
Too bad she cheated to to get to #1. How is reducing the price considered cheating? It's not like she paid Billboard to manipulate the charts. She earned it fair and square.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 17, 2011 15:50:19 GMT -5
^ Come on, people have been calling her team's actions 'cheating' for weeks, you can't just attack one person.
The reduced price, the shit remix, there were a few factors...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 15:57:04 GMT -5
Too bad she cheated to to get to #1. How is reducing the price considered cheating? It's not like she paid Billboard to manipulate the charts. She earned it fair and square. Do you even know how she got #1? She released a remix last week and that remix had a reduced price. The original single wasn't reduced in price until this week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 15:59:14 GMT -5
It isn't cheating if it's allowed lmao.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 16:13:39 GMT -5
If course you do. You're a Katy Perry stan. That's like telling me the sky is blue, the moon has craters, and the sun is very hot. To be fair most of us thought that before becoming Katy Perry stans. You should've been here when I was singing the praises of how good KP's songs were while everyone else was trashing them as they were being released on Itunes one by one in the weeks leading up to the album release.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 17, 2011 16:16:34 GMT -5
Such a glorious day! Nothing can ruin it for me.
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