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Post by imbondz on Aug 30, 2011 10:46:07 GMT -5
I respect Christina getting a #1 song this way, much more than I respect Brittany or Missy Elliott for their 1 week addition to a song so it goes to #1. At least MLJ started out w/ Christina on it.
Plus, I actually really like her part in the song.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 30, 2011 10:57:50 GMT -5
^That is true- but, Missy Elliott does not get an ounce of credit for "Last Friday Night." And Spears' credit for "S&M" is just for the week it went to No. 1. While Billboard does count it as a No. 1 peak for her, it barely adds a blip to her overall chart history in terms of week-to-week performance (same for Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha on "Till the World Ends").
EDIT: Further clarification on how Billboard treats collaborations. if the credit reads "With," it's treated the same as "Featuring" with the lead act getting 70% of the total points that the track accumulated while on the Hot 100. If it's "Duet With," it's treated the same as "And/&"- in this case, for an all-time-acts list, the total points is split evenly between (or among) the acts. So if it's two acts, they each get 50% of the single's total points (this differs from Record Research, which gives both acts the full points).
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Post by leoapp on Aug 30, 2011 17:54:19 GMT -5
Christina is going to FINALLY get her 5th #1.  It's Maroon 5's #1 (if it happens), she's just featured on it. Oh, not again  Billboard will count it as Xtina's 5th #1. End. I hate some people who keep debating about her credit like she doesn't deserve it. Just because she's Xtina. I bet if It's Madonna feature, they will keep silent. ^I agree- it was never an argument over the crediting, at least for me. You had an argument about the featuring thing, and we knew that Billboard never had an exact rule about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 18:07:40 GMT -5
It's Maroon 5's #1 (if it happens), she's just featured on it. Oh, not again Billboard will count it as Xtina's 5th #1. End. I hate some people who keep debating about her credit like she doesn't deserve it. Just because she's Xtina. I bet if It's Madonna feature, they will keep silent. I think everyone knows that Christina Aguilera is featured in this song. I think the gripes are coming because many are referring to this as a Christina song. While others view this as a Maroon 5 song that features Christina. As this board heavily focuses on solo female pop singers. A song that is credited: Random band featuring <insert your favorite diva> some people are going to ignore the band while others won't, which is probably why there is some griping. |
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Post by leoapp on Aug 30, 2011 18:20:38 GMT -5
Yes, no need to complain, cos this kind of board will ALWAYS focus of pop female divas! Maybe general publics still consider this as a collaboration or a featuring. Anyway, it's funny, but many radio DJs in Europe even introduced this song as a Xtina new song. Who's wrong here?  |
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Post by slw84 on Aug 30, 2011 18:59:40 GMT -5
Christina is going to FINALLY get her 5th #1. At least this will make up for Beautiful peaking at #2...I remember with JLO's All I have blocked it. Of all songs... |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Aug 30, 2011 19:37:09 GMT -5
^That is true- but, Missy Elliott does not get an ounce of credit for "Last Friday Night." And Spears' credit for "S&M" is just for the week it went to No. 1. While Billboard does count it as a No. 1 peak for her, it barely adds a blip to her overall chart history in terms of week-to-week performance (same for Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha on "Till the World Ends"). EDIT: Further clarification on how Billboard treats collaborations. if the credit reads "With," it's treated the same as "Featuring" with the lead act getting 70% of the total points that the track accumulated while on the Hot 100. If it's "Duet With," it's treated the same as "And/&"- in this case, for an all-time-acts list, the total points is split evenly between (or among) the acts. So if it's two acts, they each get 50% of the single's total points (this differs from Record Research, which gives both acts the full points). I guess that makes sense... I wonder if it's a retroactive rule. James Ingram, for example, was a "featured" artist on "Just Once" and "One Hundred Ways." He did all the vocals, won a Grammy and was nominated for Best New Artist. Just FYI. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 30, 2011 21:24:39 GMT -5
leoapp, my argument was that *i* feel an act should be "featured" for a certain amount of time on a track- I know that's not there's no such rule, though. "Featurings"- of various lengths of time in a track- have been around for some time.
Luckie- that's how Billboard now treats collaborations when compiling all-time, year-end and decade-end lists. it may be a recent thing, just as is weighing pre-BDS-/SoundScan-era singles, to compensate for the shorter chart runs for those singles.
Quincy Jones was credited as the lead act on his singles, even if he didn't sing a note on the tracks. Even though James Ingram was the sole vocalist, it still would count as a regular "featuring."
To use one top act of all time as an example- Elton John. For the all-time list, he receives 50% of the total points for the following tracks: "Don’t Let the Sun Go Down On Me" (1992), both charted versions of "Don’t Go Breaking My Heart," "Through the Storm," "True Love" and "Written in the Stars." The credit for Jennifer Rush's "Flames of Paradise" reads as "With Elton John," so he would get 30% of the total points that that single racked up during its time on the Hot 100 (points based on week-to-week rankings). I believe Billboard counts "That's What Friends Are For" for Dionne Warwick and all three "friends," so Dionne would get 70%, while the remaining 30% would be split among Elton, Stevie Wonder and Gladys Knight.
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Post by Push The Button on Aug 30, 2011 21:33:50 GMT -5
Christina is going to FINALLY get her 5th #1. At least this will make up for Beautiful peaking at #2...I remember with JLO's All I have blocked it. Of all songs... It was actually the iconic B2K's "Bump Bump Bump" that blocked "Beautiful" from #1. At least we know which song outlasted the other. |
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 30, 2011 21:47:38 GMT -5
So Tina will join Brit and Usher as the only acts to score #1 hits in the 90s, 00s, and 10s.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 30, 2011 21:50:42 GMT -5
The thing about featurings that a lot of you are mentioning involves only vocalists. Why should only vocalists get proper credit for a song? I think if you're an established act and you're featured on a song as an instrumentalist and you get listed credit for it, you deserve it. I also don't understand the issue people have with producers who release albums and then have singles from those albums where they receive the main credit even though they don't have vocals on those tracks. There's more to these hits than who's doing the singing.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 30, 2011 21:58:51 GMT -5
^That is true. Bands, for instance, may only have one prominent vocalist, but there's a reason the band has a name, and it's not just the lead singer on the credits.
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Post by felipe on Aug 30, 2011 23:26:05 GMT -5
Features are just so randomly credited. Remember when Glee used to credit the actors and release songs like Glee feat. Lea Michelle? And after some 5 weeks they dropped it. Or Jai Ho - Pussycat Dolls feat. Nicole Schrezinger? That made no sense at all.
Flo Rida gave featured credit to David Ghetta on Club can't handle me, even though most artists don't, just like some will credit Timbaland and some will not. It's just so random...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 23:31:02 GMT -5
Featuring, duets, etc... is completely up to the label/artists on how they wish for it to be listed. It is not the responsibility of Billboard or anyone else to go "well X didn't actually contribute to this song, so we're going to ignore their feature on it". The 70/30 rule is a good one and all that can be reasonably expected of them to do for applying points.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 23:32:07 GMT -5
^ and when they pulled Ke$ha's featured credit on "Right Round", when it was halfway through its run at number 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 23:33:12 GMT -5
That was the label/artist's call. Billboard simply obliged as told per request of them.
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 30, 2011 23:44:03 GMT -5
Wayne and Pitbull need to fall faster, and Britney has to not fall at all, please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 0:02:13 GMT -5
Oh, not again Billboard will count it as Xtina's 5th #1. End. I hate some people who keep debating about her credit like she doesn't deserve it. Just because she's Xtina. I bet if It's Madonna feature, they will keep silent. I think everyone knows that Christina Aguilera is featured in this song. I think the gripes are coming because many are referring to this as a Christina song. While others view this as a Maroon 5 song that features Christina. That's exactly the problem for me. Christina did not write this song, she plays no instruments on this song, all she did was sing one verse on it. Fine, so she gets a featured credit, but it annoys me when people refer to it as "Christina's song," since she contributed so little to it. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 31, 2011 0:16:55 GMT -5
You could say that for a lot of pop stars if you think about it. Some of them literally step into the studio for 20 minutes to record vocals for a song created and written by others and then leave and then someone else plays with the vocals to make them work and layers multiple backup singers behind those vocals so the vocals aren't even 100% them. Yet, on Billboard it is credited as that artist solely and not the team of producers, writers, musicians, and back up singers that made it happen. I do feel like sometimes musicians, producers, and writers deserve an official credit sometimes, but I guess it gets crazy if you think about trying to feature possibly 10+ people. Thankfully, money, recognition in other ways, and I believe awards DO go to the team.
I would just ignore people saying it is Christina's song-I feel like some of them are doing it just to annoy people upset that Christina is getting a credit for it.
Just curious-was Clarence Clemons officially featured for TEOG?
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 31, 2011 1:49:03 GMT -5
^That is true- but, Missy Elliott does not get an ounce of credit for "Last Friday Night." And Spears' credit for "S&M" is just for the week it went to No. 1. While Billboard does count it as a No. 1 peak for her, it barely adds a blip to her overall chart history in terms of week-to-week performance (same for Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha on "Till the World Ends"). EDIT: Further clarification on how Billboard treats collaborations. if the credit reads "With," it's treated the same as "Featuring" with the lead act getting 70% of the total points that the track accumulated while on the Hot 100. If it's "Duet With," it's treated the same as "And/&"- in this case, for an all-time-acts list, the total points is split evenly between (or among) the acts. So if it's two acts, they each get 50% of the single's total points (this differs from Record Research, which gives both acts the full points). So does that mean that Gaga gets just 70% of 'Just Dance' towards her totals? That sounds a little unfair. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 31, 2011 2:00:58 GMT -5
It is both her's and Maroon 5's record.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 31, 2011 2:21:38 GMT -5
Isn't this discussion 12 years late?
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 31, 2011 5:36:51 GMT -5
8/31 airplay updates:[/u] 1. KATY PERRY - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.): 133.204 (- 0.510) 2. LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 127.180 (- 0.792) 3. NICKI MINAJ - Super Bass: 125.204 (- 0.747) 4. LIL WAYNE - How To Love: 107.289 (+ 0.210) 5. PITBULL - Give Me Everything f/Ne-Yo: 105.700 (- 0.230) 6. BAD MEETS EVIL - Lighters f/Bruno Mars: 102.679 (+ 1.009)7. BRITNEY SPEARS - I Wanna Go: 101.158 (- 0.099) 8. ONEREPUBLIC - Good Life: 90.104 (- 0.338) 9. ADELE - Rolling In The Deep: 86.310 (- 0.837) 10. HOT CHELLE RAE - Tonight Tonight: 77.106 (- 0.236) 11. MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 73.441 (+ 2.275) ▲[/b] 12. THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 71.864 (+ 0.254) ▼ 13. DJ KHALED - I'm On One f/Drake, Rick Ross: 71.519 (+ 0.095) ▼ 14. LADY GAGA - The Edge Of Glory: 66.244 (- 2.070) 15. KELLY ROWLAND - Motivation f/Lil Wayne: 65.017 (- 0.656) 16. FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Pumped Up Kicks: 63.273 (+ 1.285)17. RIHANNA - Cheers (Drink To That): 55.035 (+ 0.725) 18. BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Remind Me: 52.890 (+ 0.171) 19. JAKE OWEN - Barefoot Blue Jean Night: 51.736 (+ 0.404) 20. BEYONCE - Best Thing I Never Had: 50.086 (- 0.588) BLACK EYED PEAS - Just Can't Get Enough: 47.281 (- 0.758) DIERKS BENTLEY - Am I The Only One: 46.096 (- 0.688) LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 45.755 (- 1.103) JAY Z & KANYE WEST - Otis: 44.542 (+ 0.577) RODNEY ATKINS - Take A Back Road: 43.496 (+ 0.586) COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 41.755 (+ 0..663) GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine: 40.447 (+ 1.306)
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Post by Rodze on Aug 31, 2011 7:38:11 GMT -5
The thing about featurings that a lot of you are mentioning involves only vocalists. Why should only vocalists get proper credit for a song? I think if you're an established act and you're featured on a song as an instrumentalist and you get listed credit for it, you deserve it. I also don't understand the issue people have with producers who release albums and then have singles from those albums where they receive the main credit even though they don't have vocals on those tracks. There's more to these hits than who's doing the singing. That I agree with. I think it is silly when Billboard compile chart records with lists full of "features" but to add a song that charted when someone was on a band or group is some sort of horrible practice that can be done only with a huge asterisk. I know it is harder for Billboard to keep track of who was in every band or group for each song -- they probably don't have that information, especially for past songs -- but, to me, they all should count as that person's chart history and should be mentioned when relevant -- like, Paul McCartney has 29 no. 1s on his back. As for producers and songwriters, Billboard does keep that information and they do appear on the charts every week. They even have some year-end charts for producers (but not for songwriters, I think). It is just a convention to talk about the performers since it is mostly about them everyone else is talking about. |
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Post by Envoirment on Aug 31, 2011 7:53:31 GMT -5
THE SCRIPT - Nothing: 22.000 (+ 0.950)
Another great update today! Hopefully it will continue like this for a while. :)
KELLY CLARKSON - Mr. Know It All: 0.615 (+ 0.586)
:o It's starting! Hopefully this will go at least top 5 on the Hot 100 and hopefully get a week at #1 on POP/HAC. ^^
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Post by Mike Schwartz on Aug 31, 2011 7:56:42 GMT -5
Imagine if Rob Thomas was credited with Smooth, rather than Santana. The same for Michelle Branch on the "Game of Love" and Alex Band/Chad Kroeger for "Why Don't You and I". One of my all time favorite examples is Michael McDonald from the Doobie Brothers appearing on Toto's 1986 hit "I'll Be Over You", who was never credited as a background singer on the label, but harmonized on the chorus and is featured prominently in the video.
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Post by chartfreak on Aug 31, 2011 8:05:44 GMT -5
Heard a dance remix of Someone Like You today.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 31, 2011 8:38:31 GMT -5
Slizzard, that would be correct. Any track that has a "featuring," the lead act gets 70% of the total points. "Just Dance" enjoyed quite the run, so it racked up a plentiful amount of points. If there's more than one featured act, they split the remaining 30%.
Paul McCartney's work with Wings- no matter the credit- count with his solo singles. With groups, since the act's name is not part of the group name, it's right that the group hits do not count with the solo hits. Someone like Cher had here name in "Sonny & Cher," but S&C was a regular recording duo, its own entity, so Billboard doesn't lump them with Cher's solo hits for all-time purposes.
spolit, Billboard just compiled the top 10 acts list in 2008 and it wasn't known exactly how it treated the "featurings" and all that- so now we know for sure, and I'm passing it along. :)
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 31, 2011 9:37:42 GMT -5
Slizzard, that would be correct. Any track that has a "featuring," the lead act gets 70% of the total points. "Just Dance" enjoyed quite the run, so it racked up a plentiful amount of points. If there's more than one featured act, they split the remaining 30%. I didn't know that. I always assumed that, in Gaga's case, she would have got 100% of the points, and Colby O'Donis would have got whatever percentage of it too, but Gaga would still have all of it attributed to her, if that makes sense. It doesn't really matter for that song since it was huge anyway, but it does make a difference for minor hits I'd imagine. |
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