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Post by Oprah on Dec 20, 2011 13:58:00 GMT -5
It's that high because of the discount though... When it was full priced it was starting to fall. If there is a single #7, it will eventually get the discount and remix treatment that LFN and TOTGA have gotten. Also, it's sales are lower than previous singles were at this point in spite of the remix; the earlier songs were assisted sales wise by the slow & steady pace of album sales. That's why the last two haven't sold nearly as well in spit of being massive radio hits, having rent-a-rapper remixes, and a nearly 40% discount. Short of re-releasing I doubt anymore singles from TD will stand a strong chance of hitting the top spot. On a separate note, I think NIP will contend for the top spot in coming weeks. It's been chillin in the Top 10 on iTunes for some time and has massive AI, but it's just taking off on pop radio now and the video has yet to be released. |
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Post by NeRD on Dec 20, 2011 14:01:43 GMT -5
Havent remixes hurt the longevity of the original on Itunes?
S&M, TTWE, and LFN's originals all suffered because of the last minute remixes. I'd say if she isnt able to get it this week, she probably wont have another chance.
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Post by Oprah on Dec 20, 2011 14:22:05 GMT -5
^Not really, the remixes all started collapsing sales-wise the same week they were released.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2011 14:25:13 GMT -5
Gary Trust in this week's Ask Billboard reiterates how the charts are essentially a game and that labels want to break records, how charts don't mean anything in terms of how one act compares to another, etc. etc. Basically everything we've discussed here. :)
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 20, 2011 14:48:00 GMT -5
Gary Trust in this week's Ask Billboard reiterates how the charts are essentially a game and that labels want to break records, how charts don't mean anything in terms of how one act compares to another, etc. etc. Basically everything we've discussed here. :) They read Pulse :'( :o |
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Post by Heartless Angel on Dec 20, 2011 14:49:08 GMT -5
One thing to realize is that the only way to take advantage of chart tactics and such is that the song has to be a hit to begin with. These tactics don't work for songs that are not already charting high.
Case in point, no amount of manipulation at this point it seems is going to get any of the singles from 4 into the Top 10...
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Post by slw84 on Dec 20, 2011 14:51:43 GMT -5
One thing to realize is that the only way to take advantage of chart tactics and such is that the song has to be a hit to begin with. These tactics don't work for songs that are not already charting high. Case in point, no amount of manipulation at this point it seems is going to get any of the singles from 4 into the Top 10... I think people do understand that but enjoy discrediting Katy. Anyone can't put out a discount and potentially hit #1...otherwise the bubbling under songs and the songs on the lower part of the hot 100 would use this all the time. Charts are a game anyways. |
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Post by NeRD on Dec 20, 2011 14:51:49 GMT -5
One thing to realize is that the only way to take advantage of chart tactics and such is that the song has to be a hit to begin with. These tactics don't work for songs that are not already charting high. Case in point, no amount of manipulation at this point it seems is going to get any of the singles from 4 into the Top 10... I really hope this isnt shade...  |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2011 15:01:49 GMT -5
Of course, the songs that have these other versions have to be riding high on the chart to begin with, in order to have a shot at No. 1.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 20, 2011 16:54:25 GMT -5
Of course, the songs that have these other versions have to be riding high on the chart to begin with, in order to have a shot at No. 1. BINGO! The song is #5 in airplay and was a Top 10 digital hit before discounting even though out for 18 months. Let's see MJ (with Stevie Wonder - no stunt casting there) peaked at #11 with single number six. Katy has already beaten MJ and if you want to throw in SC as sixth Top 10, she's outpeaked that. Number 1 is gravy. Now time to nab Janet's wig for seven Top 5s. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 16:57:10 GMT -5
Of course, the songs that have these other versions have to be riding high on the chart to begin with, in order to have a shot at No. 1. BINGO! The song is #5 in airplay and was a Top 10 digital hit before discounting even though out for 18 months. Let's see MJ (with Stevie Wonder - no stunt casting there) peaked at #11 with single number six. Katy has already beaten MJ and if you want to throw in SC as sixth Top 10, she's outpeaked that. Number 1 is gravy. Now time to nab Janet's wig for seven Top 5s. "Another Part Of Me" did not feature Stevie Wonder. "Just Good Friends" featured Stevie Wonder, and that was not a single. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 17:15:16 GMT -5
BINGO! The song is #5 in airplay and was a Top 10 digital hit before discounting even though out for 18 months. Let's see MJ (with Stevie Wonder - no stunt casting there) peaked at #11 with single number six. Katy has already beaten MJ and if you want to throw in SC as sixth Top 10, she's outpeaked that. Number 1 is gravy. Now time to nab Janet's wig for seven Top 5s. "Another Part Of Me" did not feature Stevie Wonder. "Just Good Friends" featured Stevie Wonder, and that was not a single. Get him together. |
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Post by slw84 on Dec 20, 2011 17:21:19 GMT -5
Of course, the songs that have these other versions have to be riding high on the chart to begin with, in order to have a shot at No. 1. BINGO! The song is #5 in airplay and was a Top 10 digital hit before discounting even though out for 18 months. Let's see MJ (with Stevie Wonder - no stunt casting there) peaked at #11 with single number six. Katy has already beaten MJ and if you want to throw in SC as sixth Top 10, she's outpeaked that. Number 1 is gravy. Now time to nab Janet's wig for seven Top 5s. If she can't hit #1 with the remixes she can release a 7th single and hopefully it could hit #1 with the right promo and she can snatch, shift and/or split Janet and MJ (RIP :'() wigs. |
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Post by Heartless Angel on Dec 20, 2011 17:41:53 GMT -5
One thing to realize is that the only way to take advantage of chart tactics and such is that the song has to be a hit to begin with. These tactics don't work for songs that are not already charting high. Case in point, no amount of manipulation at this point it seems is going to get any of the singles from 4 into the Top 10... I really hope this isnt shade... Me??? Be shady??? Neva....  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 17:59:23 GMT -5
"Another Part Of Me" did not feature Stevie Wonder. "Just Good Friends" featured Stevie Wonder, and that was not a single. Get him together. LOL. A niqqa tried it... |
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Post by cesarams on Dec 20, 2011 19:28:39 GMT -5
MORE MEDIABASE:
THE BAND PERRY - All Your Life: 34.027 (+ 0.276)
PITBULL F/CHRIS BROWN – International Love: 26.298 (+ 0.293)
WIZ KHALIFA/SNOOP DOGG - Young, Wild & Free f/B. Mars: 24.074 (+0.529)
YOUNG JEEZY - I Do f/JAY Z & Andre 3000: 19.329 (+ 0.704)
DRAKE - The Motto f/Lil Wayne: 18.290 (+ 0.313)
HOT CHELLE RAE - I Like It Like That f/New Boyz: 17.904 (+ 0.416)
GYM CLASS HEROES - Ass Back Home f/ Neon Hitch: 13.385 (+ 0.333)
DAVID GUETTA - Turn Me On f/Nicki Minaj: 13.015 (+ 0.887)
DRAKE - Take Care f/Rihanna: 11.534 (+ 0.390)
CHRIS BROW - Strip f/Kevin McCall: 11.510 (+ 0.114)
JAY Z & KANYE WEST - Gotta Have It: 10.431 (+ 0.382)
FOO FIGHTERS - These Days: 9.422 (+ 0.174)
FAITH HILL - Come Home: 8.384 (- 0.130)
CHRISTINA PERRI - A Thousand Years: 8.354 (+ 0.015)
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Monarchy Of Roses: 7.028 (+ 0.140)
RIHANNA - Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z: 5.543 (+ 0.235)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Don't Stop (Color On The Walls: 5.474 (+ 0.207)
TIM MCGRAW - Better Than I Used To Be: 4.444 (+ 0.168)
COLDPLAY - Princess Of China: 4.293 (- 0.074)
MIKE POSNER - Looks Like Sex: 3.934 (+ 0.138)
ROBIN THICKE - Pretty Lil' Heart f/Lil Wayne: 3.536 (+ 0.193)
JOJO - Disaster: 2.513 (+ 0.169)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Dancin' Away With My Heart: 2.298 (+ 0.287)
COBRA STARSHIP - Middle Finger f/Mac Miller: 1.565 (+ 0.077)
KELLY CLARKSON - What Doesn't Kill You...: 1.109 (+ 0.003)
EVANESCENCE - My Heart Is Broken: 1.003 (+ 0.004)
NEON TREES - Everybody Talks: 0.971 (+ 0.038)
KE$HA - Sleazy: 0.672 (+ 0.078)
ADAM LAMBERT - Better Than I Know Myself: 0.084
DEV - Naked: 0.078 (- 0.007)
MILEY CYRUS - Liberty Walk: 0.027 (- 0.006)
DEMI LOVATO -Give Your Heart A Break: 0.018 (=)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE - Hit The Lights: 0.005 (=)
Could "Turn Me On" be a new Without You? ???
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Post by d.t.m on Dec 20, 2011 19:40:50 GMT -5
If TOTGA won't hit #1 I don't see another single doing it.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 20, 2011 20:32:26 GMT -5
BINGO! The song is #5 in airplay and was a Top 10 digital hit before discounting even though out for 18 months. Let's see MJ ( with Stevie Wonder - no stunt casting there) peaked at #11 with single number six. Katy has already beaten MJ and if you want to throw in SC as sixth Top 10, she's outpeaked that. Number 1 is gravy. Now time to nab Janet's wig for seven Top 5s. "Another Part Of Me" did not feature Stevie Wonder. "Just Good Friends" featured Stevie Wonder, and that was not a single. You're right - I though SW had backing vocals on the song. The Alzheimer's is kicking in. It's been 23 years! Yikes! |
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Post by NeRD on Dec 20, 2011 23:23:38 GMT -5
RIHANNA - Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z: 5.543 (+ 0.235)
LOL at this getting bigger updates than YDO...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 23:25:17 GMT -5
RIHANNA - Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z: 5.543 (+ 0.235) LOL at this getting bigger updates than YDO... Mess. I hope "You Da One" just gets lost in the shuffle so they can move on to the real hits early next year. |
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Post by moore746 on Dec 20, 2011 23:31:14 GMT -5
RIHANNA - Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z: 5.543 (+ 0.235) LOL at this getting bigger updates than YDO... Mess.Perfect word to describe how the release of that song was handled. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 21, 2011 2:30:11 GMT -5
One thing to realize is that the only way to take advantage of chart tactics and such is that the song has to be a hit to begin with. These tactics don't work for songs that are not already charting high. Case in point, no amount of manipulation at this point it seems is going to get any of the singles from 4 into the Top 10... I think people do understand that but enjoy discrediting Katy. of course. but to her credit, she is also the only artist to be in this position to break the record in the first place. No one else in history since Jackson has come close. you can't convince me that any other artist would not do the same in these circumstances. You just can't. |
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 21, 2011 2:31:54 GMT -5
Will there be a video for YDO?
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Post by cesarams on Dec 21, 2011 6:42:26 GMT -5
TOP 20: (no green updates today. :'()
1. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 148.323 (- 0.004)
2. BRUNO MARS - It Will Rain: 115.924 (+ 1.988)
3. LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 105.826 (- 0.617)
4. KATY PERRY - The One That Got Away: 104.935 (+ 0.881) ▲
5. DAVID GUETTA - Without You f/Usher: 104.876 (- 0.432) ▼
6. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 97.435 (+ 1.517)
7. FLO RIDA - Good Feeling: 95.016 (+ 1.164) ▲
8. GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine: 94.699 (- 0.704) ▼
9. MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 85.796 (- 1.622)
10. ADELE - Someone Like You: 83.656 (- 1.702)
11. DRAKE - Headlines: 78.524 (- 1.313)
12. T-PAIN - 5 O'clock f/Wiz Khalifa: 77.990 (- 0.183)
13. J. COLE - Workout: 77.986 (+ 0.768)
14. KELLY CLARKSON - Mr. Know It All: 62.931 (- 0.004)
15. BIG SEAN - Dance (A$$): 62.195 (+ 0.122)
16. COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 57.486 (- 0.568)
17. DRAKE - Make Me Proud f/Nicki Minaj: 51.320 (+ 1.310) ▲
18. ZAC BROWN BAND - Keep Me In Mind: 51.073 (- 0.037) ▼
19. JASON ALDEAN - Tattoos On This Town: 49.476 (- 0.543) ▼
20. MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 49.178 (+ 1.363)
OTHERS:
WALE - Lotus Flower Bomb f/Miguel: 47.223 (+ 0.185)
ADELE - Set Fire To The Rain: 45.722 (+ 1.950)
RASCAL FLATTS - Easy: 45.648 (- 0.332)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 45.530 (- 0.291)
LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 45.460 (- 0.341)
GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You: 44.751 (+ 0.497)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE: Love You Like A Love Song: 42.015 (+ 0.780)
LUKE BRYAN - I Don't Want This Night To End: 41.530 (+ 0.639)
BEYONCE - Party f/Kanye & Andre: 41.448 (- 0.227)
RIHANNA - You Da One: 36.776 (+ 0.122)
LADY GAGA - Marry The Night: 35.243 (+ 0.206)
JESSIE J - Domino: 32.121 (+ 0.956)
FRAY - Heartbeat: 24.898 (+ 0.161)
BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout: 21.718 (+ 0.181)
MICHAEL BUBLE - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 16.836 (+ 0.142)
DAVID GUETTA - Turn Me On f/Nicki Minaj: 13.910 (+ 0.895)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Ours: 12.520 (+ 0.273)
BEYONCE - Countdown: 11.700 (+ 0.451)
BEYONCE - Love On Top: 11.670 (+ 0.492)
AVRIL LAVIGNE - Wish You Were Here: 10.733 (+ 0.018)
WILL. I. AM - T.H.E (The Hardest Ever): 4.459 (+ 0.068)
NICKI MINAJ - Roman In Moscow: 0.679 (- 0.016)
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on Dec 21, 2011 9:00:21 GMT -5
MORE MEDIABASE 2 DAYS UPDATE
THE BAND PERRY -All Your Life= 34.324 (+0.573)
KENNY CHESNEY -Reality= 30.705 (+0.574)
KEITH URBAN- You Gonna Fly= 29.348 (+1.267)
MARTINA MCBRIDE -I'm Gonna Love You Through It= 27.777 (+0.266)
J. COLE -Can't Get Enough f/Trey Songz= 27.350 (+0.434)
COLBIE CAILLAT -Brighter Than The Sun= 27.243 (+0.238)
PITBULL F/CHRIS BROWN – International Love= 26.501 (+0.496)
WIZ KHALIFA/SNOOP DOGG- Young, Wild & Free f/B. Mars= 24.214 (+0.669)
RICK ROSS -You The Boss f/Nicki Minaj= 23.686 (+0.681)
TOBY KEITH -Red Solo Cup= 22.787 (+0.136)
YOUNG JEEZY -I Do f/JAY Z & Andre 3000 = 20.694 (+2.069)
DRAKE- The Motto f/Lil Wayne= 18.607 (+0.630)
HOT CHELLE RAE -I Like It Like That f/New Boyz= 18.307 (+0.819)
OUTASIGHT- Tonight Is The Night= 15.494 (+0.869)
TYGA -Rack City= 14.406 (+0.685)
BLACK KEYS - Lonely Boy= 14.221 (+0.097)
GYM CLASS HEROES -Ass Back Home f/ Neon Hitch= 14.034 (+0.982)
ROBIN THICKE - Love After War= 13.867 (-0.943)
CHRIS BROW- Strip f/Kevin McCall= 12.473 (+1.077)
DRAKE- Take Care f/Rihanna= 12.407 (+1.263)
JAY Z & KANYE WEST - Gotta Have It= 10.587 (+0.538)
FOO FIGHTERS- These Days = 9.613 (+0.365)
MARY J. BLIGE- Mr. Wrong= 9.328 (+0.111)
CHRISTINA PERRI -A Thousand Years= 8.449 (+0.110)
FAITH HILL- Come Home= 8.224 (-0.290)
ESTELLE -Thank You= 7.403 (-0.664)
LIL WAYNE -Mirror f/Bruno Mars= 7.113 (-0.020)
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS-Monarchy Of Roses= 7.095 (+0.207)
MELANIE FIONA -4 AM= 6.768 (+0.108)
KARMIN -Crash Your Party= 5.774 (+0.072)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE -Don't Stop (Color On The Walls= 5.687 (+0.420)
RIHANNA- Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z= 5.459 (+0.151)
ELLIE GOULDING -Lights= 4.588 (+0.021)
TIM MCGRAW -Better Than I Used To Be= 4.640 (+0.364)
COLDPLAY -Princess Of China= 4.424 (+0.057)
MIKE POSNER -Looks Like Sex= 3.946 (+0.150)
BIG TIME RUSH -Music Sounds Better With U= 3.845 (+0.202)
ROBIN THICKE -Pretty Lil' Heart f/Lil Wayne= 3.687 (+0.344)
BUSTA RHYMES -Why Stop Now f/Chris Brown= 2.678 (+0.088)
JOJO -Disaster= 2.540 (+0.196)
LADY ANTEBELLUM -Dancin' Away With My Heart = 2.420 (+0.409)
COBRA STARSHIP - Middle Finger f/Mac Miller= 1.576 (+0.088)
KELLY CLARKSON - What Doesn't Kill You...= 1.104 (-0.002)
EVANESCENCE - My Heart Is Broken= 0.995 (-0.004)
NEON TREES -Everybody Talks= 0.967 (+0.034)
ASHANTI -The Woman You Love f/Busta= 0.810 (+0.236)
KE$HA -Sleazy= 0.596 (+0.002)
BLAKE SHELTON -Drink On It= 0.569 (+0.275)
MIRANDA LAMBERT -Over You= 0.464 (+0.225)
ROBYN -Call Your Girlfriend= 0.263
LMFAO -Sorry For Party Rocking= 0.256
ADAM LAMBERT -Better Than I Know Myself= 0.192
FLO RIDA -Wild Ones f/Sia= 0.109
DEV - Naked= 0.074 (-0.011)
NICKI MINAJ -Stupid Hoe= 0.053
SLEIGH BELLS -Born To Lose= 0.044 (+0.015)
T-PAIN - Turn All The Lights On f/ Ne-Yo = 0.040 (+0.010)
DEMI LOVATO -Give Your Heart A Break= 0.021 (+0.003)
KE$HA -Sleazy 2.0 (Get Sleazier)= 0.009
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE -Hit The Lights= 0.005 (+0.000)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2011 9:19:05 GMT -5
Yep, there will be a video for "You Da One"- it was shot almost a month ago.
Thanks, Diego- why were the holiday tracks taken out of the "More"? :)
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Post by realestdownhere on Dec 21, 2011 9:52:04 GMT -5
6. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 97.435 (+ 1.517)
Amazing.. 100m in 2-3 days!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 10:39:13 GMT -5
1. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 148.327 (- 0.061) 3. LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 106.443 (- 0.464) LMFAO : 100% Rihanna : 85%  Not too worried though, LMFAO would need to outsell Rihanna by 40k, which in the current sales climate of the top 10, would be at least 30%. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 10:44:13 GMT -5
That reminds me, with Rihannas airplay being 148 million, and her sales probably falling from the 149k she had last week, would We Found Love be the first #1 song to get more points from airplay than sales?
edit: in the past 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 10:46:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but this week ends on the 25th where sales are going to be much larger.
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Not too worried though, LMFAO would need to outsell Rihanna by 40k, which in the current sales climate of the top 10, would be at least 30%.