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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 20, 2019 16:31:33 GMT -5
Holy s**t why did radio suddenly slow tf down Streaming, I presume. :sip2: It's a nasty feedback loop of like, songs getting huge on streaming, then streaming audiences refusing to let things the f**k go. Those songs remain HUGE on the Hot 100 thanks to the combo of radio/streaming, and because they're not dropping on the Hot 100, radio leans into keeping those songs in high rotation because 'clearly they're still SUPER popular!' Problem is, radio is the reason why those songs aren't shifting. If radio would drop songs faster and have better turnover, songs wouldn't remain stagnant clogging the arteries of the top 10/20 and the Hot 100 itself would be livelier since songs would actually have a chance to *move* for a change.
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Post by RoseColoredGirl on Oct 20, 2019 16:33:52 GMT -5
So no songs were on the chart for more than 20 weeks in 2014-2016 then? If so, that's fascinating. That is only for weeks inside the top 10. But no song from that time range made it to 30 weeks total in the top 40. Oh gotcha, thanks for the clarification. Seemed a bit unlikely that no song would have made it 20 weeks at all in those years haha. Nonetheless it's still pretty interesting that none stayed in the top 10 in those years, especially given the number seems to have skyrocketed in the past 3 years!
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Post by Leo ✔ on Oct 20, 2019 20:09:08 GMT -5
SUNDAY PUBLISHED UPDATE:
3 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 19019 18335 684 89.019 1 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 18032 18605 -573 88.513 2 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 17366 18592 -1226 87.580 6 4 POST MALONE Circles 14345 12626 1719 65.255 5 5 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 13669 12920 749 62.509 8 6 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 13515 12245 1270 66.343 4 7 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 12301 13945 -1644 54.627 9 8 SHAED Trampoline 11971 11557 414 50.230 7 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 11528 12605 -1077 58.590 10 10 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 9516 10347 -831 47.692
14 11 LIZZO Good As Hell 9120 7083 2037 44.631 11 12 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9000 8814 186 37.665 12 13 NF Time 7784 7472 312 28.039 13 14 NORMANI Motivation 7412 7331 81 27.435 16 15 MAROON 5 Memories 7047 6325 722 31.516 15 16 HALSEY Graveyard 6992 6706 286 27.536 17 17 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6538 6196 342 27.305 18 18 LIL NAS X Panini 6526 5962 564 24.415 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5843 5608 235 22.070 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5767 5239 528 19.283
22 21 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4272 3922 350 16.233 30 22 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 3616 1944 1672 15.640 31 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3213 1928 1285 11.444 23 24 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3213 3154 59 18.277 25 25 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2814 2628 186 8.670 37 26 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 2638 1378 1260 9.484 26 27 LIL TECCA Ransom 2544 2493 51 8.009 28 28 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2522 2201 321 10.422 32 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2284 1852 432 5.998 29 30 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2158 2085 73 6.218
33 31 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2051 1757 294 4.519 24 32 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 2012 2951 -939 5.256 34 33 SAWEETIE My Type 1814 1610 204 6.489 21 34 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1537 4138 -2601 7.131 35 35 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1479 1441 38 2.574 38 36 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1465 1321 144 4.166 40 37 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1446 1258 188 2.933 39 38 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1364 1279 85 3.872 42 39 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1243 1162 81 2.048 45 40 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1220 956 264 5.164
43 41 KHALID Right Back 1062 1122 -60 2.590 47 42 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1018 863 155 1.497 44 43 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 986 970 16 1.304 46 44 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 953 865 88 2.029 48 45 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 929 805 124 2.091 54 46 POST MALONE Take What You Want 763 351 412 4.049 58 47 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 553 293 260 2.974 49 48 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 529 546 -17 2.051 60 49 MAJOR LAZER Que Calor f/J Balvin & El Alfa 490 262 228 1.195 61 50 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 487 256 231 2.167
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 20, 2019 20:17:15 GMT -5
Poor Miley. Her radio team is truly doing awful and radio is paying her absolute dust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 20:22:08 GMT -5
If Miley doesn't get an official peak I'll riot so hard, I'll sue RCA, I'll DM Miley an apology, I'll do everything!
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Post by Pat the Cat on Oct 20, 2019 22:24:25 GMT -5
So no songs were on the chart for more than 20 weeks in 2014-2016 then? If so, that's fascinating. That is only for weeks inside the top 10. But no song from that time range made it to 30 weeks total in the top 40.Wat? Uptown Funk, Counting Stars, Dark Horse, Ibiza all beg to differ, among several others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 22:33:39 GMT -5
That is only for weeks inside the top 10. But no song from that time range made it to 30 weeks total in the top 40.Wat? Uptown Funk, Counting Stars, Dark Horse, Ibiza all beg to differ, among several others. Hate to say it but Dark Horse doesn't have 30 weeks top 40. That's the only one from the top of my head. It had 30 weeks in total.
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Post by Lukas on Oct 20, 2019 22:37:36 GMT -5
That is only for weeks inside the top 10. But no song from that time range made it to 30 weeks total in the top 40.Wat? Uptown Funk, Counting Stars, Dark Horse, Ibiza all beg to differ, among several others. UF, CS, and DH had 26 or so weeks in the top 40 (not including recurrents). ITAPII had 29, I'm pretty sure.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 21, 2019 7:49:01 GMT -5
MONDAY UPDATE:
3 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 19016 18404 612 89.264 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17961 18475 -514 87.929 1 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 17317 18491 -1174 86.927 6 4 POST MALONE Circles 14441 12899 1542 65.729 5 5 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 13701 13079 622 62.560 8 6 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 13631 12316 1315 66.618 9 7 SHAED Trampoline 12016 11595 421 50.294 4 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 11979 13834 -1855 53.451 7 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 11445 12431 -986 58.340 10 10 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 9411 10204 -793 47.251
13 11 LIZZO Good As Hell 9332 7352 1980 45.932 11 12 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9054 8823 231 37.846 12 13 NF Time 7784 7541 243 27.987 14 14 NORMANI Motivation 7406 7316 90 27.140 16 15 MAROON 5 Memories 7097 6437 660 31.834 15 16 HALSEY Graveyard 6997 6782 215 27.389 17 17 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6637 6220 417 27.591 18 18 LIL NAS X Panini 6587 6051 536 24.752 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5844 5629 215 22.045 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5811 5292 519 19.393
21 21 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4306 4001 305 16.066 28 22 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 3820 2250 1570 16.811 29 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3333 2204 1129 11.748 23 24 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3214 3166 48 18.505 25 25 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2841 2681 160 8.692 35 26 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 2780 1550 1230 10.073 26 27 LIL TECCA Ransom 2553 2477 76 8.043 27 28 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2545 2301 244 10.641 32 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2250 2020 230 5.769 33 30 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2155 1826 329 5.135
30 31 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2153 2092 61 6.160 34 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1864 1615 249 6.852 24 33 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 1783 2891 -1108 4.606 38 34 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1564 1328 236 4.793 36 35 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1557 1433 124 3.144 40 36 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1483 1289 194 3.099 22 37 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1357 3610 -2253 6.576 39 38 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1356 1301 55 3.816 44 39 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1304 992 312 5.436 42 40 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1265 1168 97 2.143
47 41 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1049 876 173 1.566 43 42 KHALID Right Back 1024 1123 -99 2.498 45 43 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 1000 974 26 1.299 46 44 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 947 886 61 2.147 48 45 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 923 815 108 2.085 54 46 POST MALONE Take What You Want 851 353 498 4.316 55 47 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 587 327 260 3.320 62 48 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 529 246 283 2.271 49 49 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 526 544 -18 2.240 56 50 MAJOR LAZER Que Calor f/J Balvin & El Alfa 499 321 178 1.198
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Post by Lukas on Oct 21, 2019 11:23:46 GMT -5
Radio didn't always play the same songs just because of the slow charts on the Hot 100 and keeping in check with the chart in general. Back in 2013, radio dropped songs such as Wrecking Ball, Royals, and Roar long before they left the top ten on the Hot 100.
I think the main reason why radio is dropping songs now instead of back then is because it has to compete against streaming now; back in 2013, streaming wasn't as prevalent as it is now, so radio probably didn't care back then.
Now, with the prevalence of streaming, radio believes that it has to play the top songs more just to keep in check with the popular songs on the Hot 100 and with streaming services.
But the problem is, is that just about no one really wants to hear the same songs being played on the radio over and over again. If they do, they can just stream the song with a streaming service, as that is the point of streaming services anyways. I think it's a safe thing to say that more people who listen to the radio would rather hear a variety of music than just the same 5-10 songs each day, but that's just me.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 21, 2019 11:42:07 GMT -5
People don’t listen to radio for extended periods of time. Radio is responding to people’s listening habits, rather than the other way around.
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Post by Lukas on Oct 21, 2019 12:18:12 GMT -5
People don’t listen to radio for extended periods of time. Radio is responding to people’s listening habits, rather than the other way around. I don't think I ever implied that. I meant that, in general, the same songs are being played more and in bigger ratios. And this is coming from someone who doesn't listen to the radio that much.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 21, 2019 12:21:52 GMT -5
People don’t listen to radio for extended periods of time. Radio is responding to people’s listening habits, rather than the other way around. I don't think I ever implied that. I meant that, in general, the same songs are being played more and in bigger ratios. And this is coming from someone who doesn't listen to the radio that much. Exactly. Because radio aims to ensure that whenever you turn on their station, no matter what, you’ll hear a song you know (and hopefully like well enough to stick around). Since most people don’t listen to radio for lengthy periods of time, that means playing the top hits more frequently so as to not risk anyone tuning in during a moment when they’re playing something you don’t recognize.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:55:47 GMT -5
I don't think I ever implied that. I meant that, in general, the same songs are being played more and in bigger ratios. And this is coming from someone who doesn't listen to the radio that much. Exactly. Because radio aims to ensure that whenever you turn on their station, no matter what, you’ll hear a song you know (and hopefully like well enough to stick around). Since most people don’t listen to radio for lengthy periods of time, that means playing the top hits more frequently so as to not risk anyone tuning in during a moment when they’re playing something you don’t recognize. What happened to make radio believe 'playing the top hits' meant literally only playing the same handful, though? When you look at the station playlists on All Access, there is a steep dropoff from #5 to #6 for a lot of them. And if you catch them at the wrong moment you might even see the dropoff after #4 (e.g., on Z100 right now Truth Hurts just got dropped out of power rotation while Good As Hell is moving up to take its place). I agree with Lukas on this; radio has always played top songs more than others, but it seems that the number of 'top' songs has been reduced while the number of spins going to those songs has increased. Here are three stations' current playlists, for example: Z100 1 | Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello | Senorita | 119 | 2 | Ed Sheeran | Beautiful People f/Khalid | 117 | 3 | Lewis Capaldi | Someone You Loved | 114 | 4 | Shawn Mendes | If I Can't Have You | 109 | 5 | Lizzo | Good As Hell | 76 | 6 | Lizzo | Truth Hurts | 75 | 7 | Post Malone | Circles | 52 | 8 | Taylor Swift | Lover | 51 | 9 | Maroon 5 | Memories | 46 | 10 | Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber | I Don't Care | 46 |
KIIS 100 (Los Angeles) 1 | Jonas Brothers | Sucker | 119 | 2 | Billie Eilish | bad guy | 117 | 3 | Lewis Capaldi | Someone You Loved | 116 | 4 | Sam Smith & Normani | Dancing With a Stranger | 112 | 5 | Ed Sheeran | Beautiful People f/Khalid | 92 | 6 | Lizzo | Truth Hurts | 88 | 7 | Chris Brown | No Guidance f/Drake | 74 | 8 | Post Malone | Circles | 62 | 9 | Jonas Brothers | Only Human | 58 | 10 | Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello | Senorita | 57 |
103.5 KISS (Chicago) 1 | Lewis Capaldi | Someone You Loved | 128 | 2 | Lizzo | Truth Hurts | 127 | 3 | Shaed | Trampoline | 127 | 4 | Billie Eilish | bad guy | 125 | 5 | Jonas Brothers | Only Human | 118 | 6 | Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello | Senorita | 72 | 7 | Ed Sheeran | Beautiful People f/Khalid | 69 | 8 | Post Malone | Circles | 68 | 9 | Sam Smith | How Do You Sleep? | 67 | 10 | NF | Time | 65 |
Those happen to all be iHeart stations in the top 3 markets, but this more or less mirrors the situation in most places regardless of market size or station owner. KIIS LA's 20-spin gap between #4 and #5 is actually not that severe comparatively speaking. 35-50 spin drops from #5 to #6 are the norm. It's not like the songs or artists in the 6-10 positions (or most of 11-20 for that matter) are that unfamiliar. Even if the goal is familiarity, it's just not necessary to be excessively playing a select few songs like this. PDs don't get that they are probably creating the very situation they're trying to work around (why would I listen for an extended period of time knowing that once I've listened to the first 30 to 60 minutes, I've heard all there is to hear for the day?) I cannot find the post now, but in one of the Hot 100 threads someone posted a station playlist from the 80s, compared to today; the #1 song had less than 80 spins, and there wasn't a glaring gap anywhere in the list. If you flip back through this thread you can see that the spin gap between #1 and #10 in any given week is noticeably larger these days than it was in past years, most likely bc of this power rotation discrepancy at so many stations.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 22, 2019 6:42:43 GMT -5
TUESDAY UPDATE:
1 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 19014 18582 432 89.490 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17892 18377 -485 87.147 3 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 17266 18317 -1051 86.184 5 4 POST MALONE Circles 14623 13190 1433 66.526 7 5 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 13829 12472 1357 67.245 6 6 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 13797 13188 609 62.871 9 7 SHAED Trampoline 12055 11674 381 50.463 4 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 11677 13699 -2022 52.819 8 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 11298 12268 -970 57.466 13 10 LIZZO Good As Hell 9653 7604 2049 47.855
10 11 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 9214 10157 -943 46.278 11 12 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9094 8838 256 38.092 12 13 NF Time 7811 7613 198 28.299 14 14 NORMANI Motivation 7382 7340 42 26.721 16 15 MAROON 5 Memories 7198 6558 640 32.302 15 16 HALSEY Graveyard 7041 6819 222 27.747 18 17 LIL NAS X Panini 6687 6136 551 25.442 17 18 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6667 6335 332 27.598 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5915 5666 249 22.218 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5871 5345 526 19.526
21 21 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4315 4074 241 15.844 26 22 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 4011 2517 1494 17.727 28 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3420 2464 956 11.882 22 24 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3234 3210 24 18.543 34 25 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 2923 1774 1149 10.744 25 26 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2872 2713 159 8.719 29 27 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2573 2337 236 10.632 27 28 LIL TECCA Ransom 2545 2498 47 8.088 31 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2273 2069 204 5.881 30 30 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2159 2105 54 6.220
32 31 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2157 1860 297 5.139 35 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1866 1645 221 6.892 37 33 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1595 1352 243 4.882 36 34 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1582 1429 153 3.204 38 35 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1510 1349 161 3.182 24 36 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 1510 2865 -1355 3.973 40 37 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1351 1301 50 3.760 44 38 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1349 1031 318 5.441 41 39 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1263 1202 61 2.138 23 40 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1223 3084 -1861 6.012
46 41 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1046 894 152 1.566 45 42 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 985 987 -2 1.259 43 43 KHALID Right Back 985 1119 -134 2.410 47 44 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 962 892 70 2.243 54 45 POST MALONE Take What You Want 935 367 568 4.585 48 46 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 912 828 84 2.089 56 47 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 642 356 286 3.677 61 48 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 582 271 311 2.384 49 49 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 522 540 -18 2.214 55 50 MAJOR LAZER & J BALVIN Que Calor f/El Alfa 519 365 154 1.229
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Post by Pat the Cat on Oct 22, 2019 16:41:18 GMT -5
Wat? Uptown Funk, Counting Stars, Dark Horse, Ibiza all beg to differ, among several others. Hate to say it but Dark Horse doesn't have 30 weeks top 40. That's the only one from the top of my head. It had 30 weeks in total. Wat? Uptown Funk, Counting Stars, Dark Horse, Ibiza all beg to differ, among several others. UF, CS, and DH had 26 or so weeks in the top 40 (not including recurrents). ITAPII had 29, I'm pretty sure. Lukas clarifying we were talking about the chart without recurrents sorted me out. My bad!
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Post by RoseColoredGirl on Oct 22, 2019 19:23:25 GMT -5
Exactly. Because radio aims to ensure that whenever you turn on their station, no matter what, you’ll hear a song you know (and hopefully like well enough to stick around). Since most people don’t listen to radio for lengthy periods of time, that means playing the top hits more frequently so as to not risk anyone tuning in during a moment when they’re playing something you don’t recognize. Even if the goal is familiarity, it's just not necessary to be excessively playing a select few songs like this. PDs don't get that they are probably creating the very situation they're trying to work around (why would I listen for an extended period of time knowing that once I've listened to the first 30 to 60 minutes, I've heard all there is to hear for the day?) Maybe a bit of newbie question, but is there any sort of formula (i.e. streaming plays, downloads, what songs are most requested, etc.) for picking the songs, or is it just the station's one PD handpicking songs for that week's playlist?
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Post by Lukas on Oct 22, 2019 21:12:57 GMT -5
Even if the goal is familiarity, it's just not necessary to be excessively playing a select few songs like this. PDs don't get that they are probably creating the very situation they're trying to work around (why would I listen for an extended period of time knowing that once I've listened to the first 30 to 60 minutes, I've heard all there is to hear for the day?) Maybe a bit of newbie question, but is there any sort of formula (i.e. streaming plays, downloads, what songs are most requested, etc.) for picking the songs, or is it just the station's one PD handpicking songs for that week's playlist? It's mainly through radio doing market research and conducting music surveys to listeners and such to decide what to add. After a song is added, they'll lean toward callout scores and amounts of times a song is requested and such to decide whether or not to keep a song in high rotation.
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Post by Lukas on Oct 22, 2019 21:21:13 GMT -5
It's mainly through radio doing market research and conducting music surveys to listeners and such to decide what to add. After a song is added, they'll lean toward callout scores and amounts of times a song is requested and such to decide whether or not to keep a song in high rotation. Ah thank you, interesting to know. (Another newbie question, sorry!) What are callout scores though? Basically, it's when radio stations ask certain questions to listeners about songs that they are currently playing, such as "Are you tired of this song?" or "What do you think of this song?". The more positive ratings a song gets compared to negatives, the higher its callout score, and the more likely a radio station is going to keep it in high rotation.
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Post by RoseColoredGirl on Oct 22, 2019 21:23:00 GMT -5
Ah thank you, interesting to know. (Another newbie question, sorry!) What are callout scores though? Basically, it's when radio stations ask certain questions to listeners about songs that they are currently playing, such as "Are you tired of this song?" or "What do you think of this song?". The more positive ratings a song gets compared to negatives, the higher its callout score, and the more likely a radio station is going to keep it in high rotation. Thanks, answered my own question with a little digging around the forums haha. :)
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 23, 2019 6:14:54 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY UPDATE:
1 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 19029 18697 332 89.754 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17803 18313 -510 86.709 3 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 17169 18084 -915 85.240 4 4 POST MALONE Circles 14807 13497 1310 67.245 7 5 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 13962 12674 1288 67.715 6 6 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 13816 13351 465 63.051 9 7 SHAED Trampoline 12061 11726 335 50.259 5 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 11449 13450 -2001 52.350 8 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 11146 12058 -912 56.350 12 10 LIZZO Good As Hell 9868 7914 1954 49.709
11 11 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9159 8883 276 38.459 10 12 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 9084 10067 -983 45.425 13 13 NF Time 7895 7646 249 28.369 14 14 NORMANI Motivation 7319 7401 -82 26.453 16 15 MAROON 5 Memories 7233 6726 507 32.714 15 16 HALSEY Graveyard 7072 6873 199 27.971 18 17 LIL NAS X Panini 6739 6193 546 25.745 17 18 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6681 6352 329 27.604 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5969 5679 290 22.284 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5884 5440 444 19.529
21 21 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4331 4135 196 16.167 24 22 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 4194 2767 1427 18.470 26 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3515 2677 838 12.034 22 24 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3241 3208 33 18.524 32 25 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 3032 2011 1021 11.464 25 26 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2893 2752 141 8.813 29 27 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2595 2382 213 10.671 28 28 LIL TECCA Ransom 2561 2490 71 8.075 30 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2277 2135 142 5.866 33 30 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2173 1904 269 5.158
31 31 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2160 2126 34 6.230 34 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1902 1662 240 7.044 36 33 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1632 1410 222 3.286 37 34 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1616 1380 236 5.004 38 35 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1572 1368 204 3.339 44 36 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1388 1087 301 5.481 39 37 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1341 1316 25 3.740 23 38 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 1304 2826 -1522 3.576 41 39 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1270 1206 64 2.122 27 40 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1155 2611 -1456 5.929
46 41 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1064 915 149 1.590 52 42 POST MALONE Take What You Want 1036 404 632 4.902 45 43 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 988 981 7 1.246 47 44 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 969 910 59 2.291 42 45 KHALID Right Back 922 1124 -202 2.198 48 46 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 916 841 75 2.078 54 47 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 745 382 363 4.315 59 48 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 647 293 354 2.510 49 49 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 551 539 12 2.706 53 50 MAJOR LAZER & J BALVIN Que Calor f/El Alfa 534 390 144 1.224
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Post by mkarns on Oct 23, 2019 15:51:48 GMT -5
Those happen to all be iHeart stations in the top 3 markets, but this more or less mirrors the situation in most places regardless of market size or station owner. KIIS LA's 20-spin gap between #4 and #5 is actually not that severe comparatively speaking. 35-50 spin drops from #5 to #6 are the norm. It's not like the songs or artists in the 6-10 positions (or most of 11-20 for that matter) are that unfamiliar. Even if the goal is familiarity, it's just not necessary to be excessively playing a select few songs like this. PDs don't get that they are probably creating the very situation they're trying to work around (why would I listen for an extended period of time knowing that once I've listened to the first 30 to 60 minutes, I've heard all there is to hear for the day?) I cannot find the post now, but in one of the Hot 100 threads someone posted a station playlist from the 80s, compared to today; the #1 song had less than 80 spins, and there wasn't a glaring gap anywhere in the list. If you flip back through this thread you can see that the spin gap between #1 and #10 in any given week is noticeably larger these days than it was in past years, most likely bc of this power rotation discrepancy at so many stations. I don't know if these are the official playlists, but I just checked that of my local CHR, WIHT (Hot 99.5), in another top 10 market, and the top 10 as listed on their website are: I Don't Care, Only Human, Better Now (!?), Truth Hurts, Sucker, 10,000 Hours, Good As Hell, Memories, Motivation, and Time. How is it that a song that hit #1 over a year ago is still in their top 3, unless the listing has a mistake and they meant "Circles" or something? Or possibly it's in error and #3 should be "Someone You Loved", which is not on that list at all but has been played at least 4 times so far today, as you'd expect from a current #1 song with 19K spins nationally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 18:13:03 GMT -5
Those happen to all be iHeart stations in the top 3 markets, but this more or less mirrors the situation in most places regardless of market size or station owner. KIIS LA's 20-spin gap between #4 and #5 is actually not that severe comparatively speaking. 35-50 spin drops from #5 to #6 are the norm. It's not like the songs or artists in the 6-10 positions (or most of 11-20 for that matter) are that unfamiliar. Even if the goal is familiarity, it's just not necessary to be excessively playing a select few songs like this. PDs don't get that they are probably creating the very situation they're trying to work around (why would I listen for an extended period of time knowing that once I've listened to the first 30 to 60 minutes, I've heard all there is to hear for the day?) I cannot find the post now, but in one of the Hot 100 threads someone posted a station playlist from the 80s, compared to today; the #1 song had less than 80 spins, and there wasn't a glaring gap anywhere in the list. If you flip back through this thread you can see that the spin gap between #1 and #10 in any given week is noticeably larger these days than it was in past years, most likely bc of this power rotation discrepancy at so many stations. I don't know if these are the official playlists, but I just checked that of my local CHR, WIHT (Hot 99.5), in another top 10 market, and the top 10 as listed on their website are: I Don't Care, Only Human, Better Now (!?), Truth Hurts, Sucker, 10,000 Hours, Good As Hell, Memories, Motivation, and Time. How is it that a song that hit #1 over a year ago is still in their top 3, unless the listing has a mistake and they meant "Circles" or something? WIHT's top 10 as listed on All Access backs that up, sort of: 1 | Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello | Senorita | 124 | 2 | Lewis Capaldi | Someone You Loved | 122 | 3 | Shaed | Trampoline | 121 | 4 | Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber | I Don't Care | 119 | 5 | Lizzo | Truth Hurts | 116 | 6 | Billie Eilish | bad guy | 57 | 7 | Post Malone | Better Now | 57 | 8 | Jonas Brothers | Only Human | 54 | 9 | Jonas Brothers | Sucker | 52 | 10 | Panic! At the Disco | High Hopes | 52 |
Things of note: Better Now's spins have doubled in the past week. Motivation was #14 seven days ago but has now dropped to #23 following a 17-spin loss. So my guess would be the website list only measures the top 10 songs within a 24 or 48-hour span, and it might lag by a day or two. Whatever time frame they're measuring must have been one where they gave their top 3 (which have more than enough spins to take the temporary hit) a day off to play a few newer releases. As for Better Now, I have noticed that stations will often play an artist's older hits more when a newer song is released, almost like they're trying to condition the listener to like the new song. Circles is currently at #11 and also gaining spins so that might be why Better Now suddenly jumped up this week, albeit nowhere near the true 'power rotation' the top 5 has.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 24, 2019 9:18:56 GMT -5
THURSDAY UPDATE:
1 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 18970 18849 121 89.511 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17689 18244 -555 86.300 3 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 17058 17886 -828 83.999 4 4 POST MALONE Circles 14953 13708 1245 67.820 7 5 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 14048 12901 1147 67.613 5 6 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 13901 13430 471 63.352 9 7 SHAED Trampoline 12012 11837 175 50.151 6 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 11274 13122 -1848 51.839 8 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 10988 11864 -876 55.244 12 10 LIZZO Good As Hell 10109 8215 1894 51.347
11 11 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9176 8893 283 38.723 10 12 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 8882 9971 -1089 44.111 13 13 NF Time 7929 7687 242 28.566 16 14 MAROON 5 Memories 7329 6842 487 33.209 14 15 NORMANI Motivation 7156 7425 -269 25.619 15 16 HALSEY Graveyard 7056 6920 136 27.640 18 17 LIL NAS X Panini 6785 6232 553 26.144 17 18 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6680 6429 251 27.228 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5962 5744 218 21.935 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5914 5488 426 19.415
23 21 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 4383 2985 1398 19.172 21 22 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4339 4158 181 16.520 24 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3594 2820 774 12.160 22 24 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3231 3219 12 18.234 30 25 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 3170 2203 967 11.911 25 26 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2909 2770 139 8.757 28 27 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2583 2427 156 10.499 27 28 LIL TECCA Ransom 2531 2517 14 7.856 31 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2315 2182 133 5.972 33 30 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2174 1927 247 5.183
32 31 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2161 2128 33 6.213 34 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1923 1663 260 7.293 37 33 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1658 1388 270 5.057 35 34 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1642 1417 225 3.372 38 35 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1601 1378 223 3.307 43 36 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1390 1122 268 5.357 39 37 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1323 1333 -10 3.680 41 38 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1295 1203 92 2.130 26 39 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 1160 2665 -1505 3.308 29 40 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1131 2239 -1108 5.919
50 41 POST MALONE Take What You Want 1093 469 624 4.990 46 42 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1085 935 150 1.644 -- 43 SELENA GOMEZ Lose You To Love Me 1042 0 1042 7.299 45 44 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 992 983 9 1.230 47 45 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 986 929 57 2.265 48 46 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 897 855 42 2.072 42 47 KHALID Right Back 837 1133 -296 1.976 53 48 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 824 414 410 4.807 55 49 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 711 350 361 2.570 49 50 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 573 521 52 3.066
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Post by Lukas on Oct 24, 2019 20:16:13 GMT -5
Looks like Boyfriend will be purged this week.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 25, 2019 6:21:27 GMT -5
FRIDAY UPDATE:
1 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 18903 18928 -25 88.592 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17608 18184 -576 86.078 3 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 16941 17700 -759 83.352 4 4 POST MALONE Circles 15107 13925 1182 68.766 6 5 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 14111 13147 964 67.328 5 6 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 14045 13492 553 63.745 8 7 SHAED Trampoline 12032 11886 146 50.460 7 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 11012 12780 -1768 50.873 9 9 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 10763 11723 -960 54.205 12 10 LIZZO Good As Hell 10410 8491 1919 52.479
11 11 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9223 8915 308 39.464 10 12 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 8744 9818 -1074 43.917 13 13 NF Time 7954 7723 231 28.508 15 14 MAROON 5 Memories 7442 6950 492 33.799 16 15 HALSEY Graveyard 7095 6861 234 27.646 14 16 NORMANI Motivation 6977 7406 -429 25.025 18 17 LIL NAS X Panini 6795 6310 485 26.283 17 18 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6705 6459 246 27.263 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 5971 5781 190 21.849 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5917 5585 332 19.356
22 21 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 4528 3222 1306 19.738 21 22 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4328 4219 109 16.838 24 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3604 2975 629 12.168 29 24 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 3296 2334 962 12.345 23 25 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3229 3220 9 18.136 25 26 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2950 2806 144 8.899 27 27 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2588 2449 139 10.604 26 28 LIL TECCA Ransom 2525 2536 -11 7.731 30 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2328 2218 110 6.026 31 30 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2168 2138 30 6.177
33 31 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2154 1952 202 5.128 34 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1945 1684 261 7.452 36 33 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1710 1416 294 4.933 35 34 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1673 1442 231 3.454 37 35 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1600 1377 223 3.297 42 36 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1420 1144 276 5.363 -- 37 SELENA GOMEZ Lose You To Love Me 1392 0 1392 8.954 41 38 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1315 1231 84 2.116 38 39 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1299 1352 -53 3.539 49 40 POST MALONE Take What You Want 1136 567 569 5.149
45 41 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1091 967 124 1.649 32 42 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1089 1953 -864 5.913 28 43 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 1052 2447 -1395 3.129 44 44 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 993 981 12 1.204 47 45 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 986 941 45 2.283 53 46 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 925 443 482 5.305 48 47 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 878 868 10 2.038 55 48 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 778 373 405 2.705 43 49 KHALID Right Back 758 1124 -366 1.811 188 50 BTS Make It Right f/Lauv 608 15 593 2.653
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 26, 2019 9:24:56 GMT -5
SATURDAY UPDATE:
1 1 LEWIS CAPALDI Someone You Loved 18829 19013 -184 88.136 2 2 LIZZO Truth Hurts 17490 18101 -611 86.101 3 3 SHAWN MENDES & CAMILA CABELLO Senorita 16758 17551 -793 82.378 4 4 POST MALONE Circles 15222 14128 1094 69.788 5 5 JONAS BROTHERS Only Human 14168 13577 591 64.317 6 6 ED SHEERAN Beautiful People f/Khalid 14153 13366 787 66.736 8 7 SHAED Trampoline 12082 11926 156 51.016 7 8 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 10791 12486 -1695 49.967 12 9 LIZZO Good As Hell 10687 8813 1874 53.848 9 10 ED SHEERAN & JUSTIN BIEBER I Don't Care 10569 11590 -1021 53.144
11 11 SAM SMITH How Do You Sleep? 9200 8960 240 39.727 10 12 BILLIE EILISH bad guy 8646 9673 -1027 43.475 13 13 NF Time 8004 7768 236 28.746 15 14 MAROON 5 Memories 7595 6947 648 34.550 16 15 HALSEY Graveyard 7133 6892 241 27.914 18 16 LIL NAS X Panini 6853 6393 460 26.310 17 17 CAMILA CABELLO Liar 6737 6476 261 27.356 14 18 NORMANI Motivation 6715 7431 -716 24.180 19 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Lover 6007 5809 198 21.905 20 20 MARSHMELLO & KANE BROWN One Thing Right 5928 5669 259 19.233
22 21 DAN + SHAY & JUSTIN BIEBER 10,000 Hours 4696 3416 1280 20.383 21 22 ARIANA, MILEY, LANA Don't Call Me Angel 4363 4256 107 17.284 24 23 NIALL HORAN Nice To Meet Ya 3628 3103 525 12.276 27 24 BILLIE EILISH all the good girls go to hell 3406 2496 910 12.562 23 25 CHRIS BROWN No Guidance f/Drake 3212 3221 -9 17.859 25 26 WHY DON'T WE What Am I 2979 2818 161 8.978 28 27 KYGO & WHITNEY HOUSTON Higher Love 2586 2492 94 10.663 26 28 LIL TECCA Ransom 2565 2519 46 7.634 29 29 DIPLO & JONAS BROTHERS Lonely 2295 2277 18 5.926 32 30 ALESSIA CARA Rooting For You 2164 1982 182 5.116
31 31 ILLENIUM Good Things Fall...f/J.Bellion 2140 2159 -19 6.172 33 32 SAWEETIE My Type 1970 1724 246 7.300 -- 33 SELENA GOMEZ Lose You To Love Me 1788 0 1788 10.726 35 34 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Teeth 1704 1452 252 4.883 36 35 AJ MITCHELL Slow Dance f/Ava Max 1703 1450 253 3.459 37 36 LAUV f***, i'm lonely f/Anne-Marie 1587 1406 181 3.243 41 37 FRENCH MONTANA Writing On The Wall 1456 1173 283 5.457 39 38 BEBE REXHA You Can't Stop The Girl 1337 1225 112 2.144 38 39 MEGAN THEE STALLION Hot Girl Summer f/N. Minaj... 1270 1376 -106 3.479 49 40 POST MALONE Take What You Want 1167 669 498 5.198
44 41 DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights 1106 989 117 1.662 34 42 ARIANA GRANDE & SOCIAL HOUSE Boyfriend 1065 1715 -650 5.838 51 43 TONES AND I Dance Monkey 1036 494 542 5.868 45 44 LIAM PAYNE Stack It Up f/A Boogie 996 982 14 1.166 46 45 LOUD LUXURY & BRYCE VINE I'm Not Alright 976 950 26 2.285 30 46 MONSTA X Who Do U Love? f/FrenchMontana 963 2216 -1253 2.987 48 47 THE CHAINSMOKERS & ILLENIUM Takeaway f/Lennon Stella 859 870 -11 1.992 55 48 BLACKBEAR Hot Girl Bummer 845 430 415 2.860 43 49 KHALID Right Back 680 1096 -416 1.592 50 50 DJ SNAKE, J BALVIN, TYGA Loco Contigo 604 533 71 3.747
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Post by Suono on Oct 26, 2019 11:55:26 GMT -5
Sis the freeze start early this year?
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Post by mkarns on Oct 26, 2019 13:22:17 GMT -5
Sis the freeze start early this year? Seems like a freeze has almost been in effect for months, with "I Don't Care", "Senorita", "bad guy", "Sucker", and "Talk", among others, staying in the top 5/top 10 for months. Not holding my breath for "Truth Hurts" or "Someone You Loved" making a sharp drop soon.
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