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Post by CammyCan on Feb 16, 2012 1:18:43 GMT -5
What's the cheap trick? People like the song, so they're buying it. There's nothing else to it.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Feb 16, 2012 1:19:50 GMT -5
This was a good decision allowing older songs to re-chart, with the requirement that they have a big enough of a resurgence to chart. I don't see why songs which sell nearly 200k in two days should not chart just because they peaked years ago. If you're selling THAT much in such a short time period, it should be recognized and the charts should reflect it.
People will argue that it's a "current" chart but clearly a song is impacting enough currently to shift that many units and, yes, for the week of Feb whatever (week of Whitney's death), "I Will Always Love You" is current - at least in the sense that people are buying it in droves and radio is spinning it. It shouldn't be ignored just because it is "old." That's preposterous to me. Why should a song with such lasting impact be punished for its longevity and appeal years down the road? So Flo Rida can notch a higher peak with his latest POS track? Please. Fair is fair and it's about time Billboard reflects what the public is actually buying (significantly). Best move they've made since allowing the Eagles album to chart and since they allowed airplay-only songs to chart on The Hot 100.
Also, "campaigns" will do nothing for two reasons.
1. There won't be enough people to participate to cause a surge large enough.
2. It will be seen as obvious chart-rigging and ineligible anyway.
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 1:20:48 GMT -5
What's the cheap trick? People like the song, so they're buying it. There's nothing else to it. Rush releasing a generic song that sounds like it took 10 minutes to write, produce, and mix and attaching it to a re-release to strike while the iron is hot = cheap trick. |
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Post by leoapp on Feb 16, 2012 1:22:39 GMT -5
It is kind of annoying that in a week where Adele and Whitney are clearly the huge music stories, Katy Perry of all people is looking set for the next Hot 100 #1. Yes. Thank you. I have nothing against Katy but in a week when classic real talent (Whitney) and new real talent (Adele) are at the forefront of everyone's minds, it really does suck seeing a cheap trick #1 of rushed material from a very average artist blockade the two others. On principle it just seems wrong. (I liked some of Katy's singles before I get called a "hater," but this latest one is a joke. I feel like we're being punked). Cheap trick what ??? The song was promoted at the Grammy, released on iTunes, people love it and buy it. It's fair! |
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 1:22:40 GMT -5
It is kind of annoying that in a week where Adele and Whitney are clearly the huge music stories, Katy Perry of all people is looking set for the next Hot 100 #1. Yes. Thank you. I have nothing against Katy but in a week when classic real talent (Whitney) and new real talent (Adele) are at the forefront of everyone's minds, it really does suck seeing a cheap trick #1 of rushed material from a very average artist blockade the two others. On principle it just seems wrong. (I liked some of Katy's singles before I get called a "hater," but this latest one is a joke. I feel like we're being punked). This whole post is so lol worthy. What's the cheap trick? People like the song, so they're buying it. There's nothing else to it. Rush releasing a generic song that sounds like it took 10 minutes to write, produce, and mix and attaching it to a re-release to strike while the iron is hot = cheap trick. Not it's not. It's called clever strategy and marketing. Learn the difference. ;) If you have a problem with it blame the buying public sending the song soaring straight to number one on iTunes.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 1:23:32 GMT -5
What's the cheap trick? People like the song, so they're buying it. There's nothing else to it. Rush releasing a generic song that sounds like it took 10 minutes to write, produce, and mix and attaching it to a re-release to strike while the iron is hot = cheap trick. People really need help. Itunes and Billboard measures a song's popularity...POM is currently the most popular selling song...nothing else. I mean really? I need a break from this board..... |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 16, 2012 1:25:31 GMT -5
*makes a simple equation*
Katy Perry's previous singles history + new track and lead single from a re-released album that was previously unavailable + performance in front of the highest rated Grammies since Michael Jackson's "Thriller" sweep = obvious #1 to me.
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Post by leoapp on Feb 16, 2012 1:30:06 GMT -5
If you want to blame, just blame people who buy the song. It's not Katy's fault that the song was released straight after the Grammy and people love her song even though it was made in just 10 minutes or less. It's called a good strategy and marketing. Seriously, does she need to delay the release of POM to let Whitney hit #1 first?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 1:30:11 GMT -5
This is why I agree with allowing old titles to chart. The Hot 100 is supposed to accurately represent the most popular songs of the week, as best as possible. And be completely objective about it. I don't like all these random country songs I've never heard of clogging up the chart, but it'd be inaccurate to not show them. There's plenty of songs on the current Hot 100 I dislike, but I'm not going to say they shouldn't chart just because I don't like them. That's what I have a personal chart for ;)
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 1:32:02 GMT -5
I'm simply stating that Katy Perry's new song comes across as a cheap and rushed attempt to get a #1 hit while the public is still interested in her. If people are buying it, fine. I was simply agreeing with another poster who mentioned that there's a great gap in quality between her song when compared to Adele's or Whitney's. The honors and tributes that the later two have gotten this week make the contrast more obvious this week.
There's no need to suggest I "need help" because I don't share the same sentiments that you have towards Katy. But I'm done on this point, no need to get into an argument over Katy Perry of all people. lol
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 1:34:33 GMT -5
If you want to blame, just blame people who buy the song. It's not Katy's fault that the song was released straight after the Grammy and people love her song even though it was made in just 10 minutes or less. It's called a good strategy and marketing. Seriously, does she need to delay the release of POM to let Whitney hit #1 first? Right, but I'm not even sure why Whitney is coming into the equation. Her sales for IWALY have already peaked this early into the week and the airplay for that song is not very high. Several others would be blocking her from number one even if Katy didn't have a new song out. Looks like people are always finding a reason to hate on Katy. lol I'm simply stating that Katy Perry's new song comes across as a cheap and rushed attempt to get a #1 hit while the public is still interested in her. If people are buying it, fine. I was simply agreeing with another poster who mentioned that there's a great gap in quality between her song when compared to Adele's or Whitney's. The honors and tributes that the later two have gotten this week make the contrast more obvious this week. There's no need to suggest I "need help" because I don't share the same sentiments that you have towards Katy. But I'm done on this point, no need to get into an argument over Katy Perry of all people. lol That's fine but you could have used better diction. "Cheap trick" isn't what it is. It's as simple as that. And Katy Perry "of all people"? What does that mean? As in a nobody? Or as in one of the biggest pop stars at the moment? ;) |
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 1:48:07 GMT -5
Seems our diction is the same afterall As for the random campaigns, I think it would be rare but not impossible to see some random old songs charting that way. I don't think we'll see old songs from artists charting just because their fans organized a campaign, but if something has more widespread reach like the UK Xmas #1 campaigns, I could see something like that happening once or twice if social media is used wisely. Remember a big different is that waiting to see who has the Christmas #1 in the UK is a national pastime of sorts, but the average American does not chart watch. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 16, 2012 1:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 16, 2012 1:53:40 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that if Billboard insists catalog singles should be lumped together on the Hot 100 with current songs, that we should also dispose of "gold" and "recurrent" singles and allow all singles to share space on the composite total airplay chart.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 16, 2012 1:56:29 GMT -5
I don't think it is a cheap trick at all. There is nothing wrong with having a good business model and getting that cash when you can. The point is nothing but raking in as much cash as possible and doing whatever you need to do to get that cash.
If anything is punking me it is the buying audience that is buying literally the same song over and over and over and over again. Like, whenever another fairly generic rehash comes out of the same song or sound that has been popular for three years I am like, OK this is the end. This is the end of the line and consumers won't be buying it again. But then they always do. Like, everyone gobbled up Domino which was almost embarrassingly similar to other songs. Then everyone is in hysterics over Starships and Part of Me which are basically rehashes of rehashes of rehashes. I read a quote a long time ago from a producer who said that producing for the mass public is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of society. I always super bristled at that and thought it was condescending as hell, but I sort of get why producers would think of us in that way. I mean, a few of them are becoming multi-millionaires releasing the same song over and over and over again and people still gobble them down. I bet they (and in particular one of them) are sitting somewhere absolutely laughing their asses off.
So, I give kudos to them for getting rich off basically one song/sound that has been recycled continuously. I don't blame them for releasing it over and over again. I DO wonder when it will finally get old. The newest batch was welcomed with open arms. I am sure we will have a new batch by summer-will those get rejected or will they be beloved as well? Will this be the year that we get over it and a new pop sound comes out, or will it last for a few more years?
This isn't new by the way-I realize that. I traced the trends in pop music one time and figured out that each "trend" usually lasts for 4-6 years. So, really we have the possibility of getting these types of songs for a few more years. It just sucks when you aren't a fan of the sound that is currently dominating pop music when you love pop music, ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 1:59:57 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... katyperry My proceeds of #PARTOFME from ITUNES & others will go to one of my favorite charities for the arts, MUSICARES: Grammy.org/MusiCares |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 16, 2012 2:06:42 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... "Donating" all of the money? Really? Our Katy? The same Katy? Wow. Receipts? |
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 2:07:02 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said Love Plastic Love! If anything is punking me it is the buying audience that is buying literally the same song over and over and over and over again. Like, whenever another fairly generic rehash comes out of the same song or sound that has been popular for three years I am like, OK this is the end. This is the end of the line and consumers won't be buying it again. But then they always do. I think the public will buy what they're exposed to. Most exposure comes from radio initially, and I think the reason we get rehash after rehash and people keep on buying it is because they're largely unaware of other music out there. Radio PD's have been known to play it safe and anytime a hit song breaks through in sales that sounds very different, they're hesitant to play it. Instead they keep playing rehash after rehash because it's safe for them. They know listeners will expect that sound already, so there's no risk. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 16, 2012 2:10:07 GMT -5
I don't think it is a cheap trick at all. There is nothing wrong with having a good business model and getting that cash when you can. The point is nothing but raking in as much cash as possible and doing whatever you need to do to get that cash. If anything is punking me it is the buying audience that is buying literally the same song over and over and over and over again. Like, whenever another fairly generic rehash comes out of the same song or sound that has been popular for three years I am like, OK this is the end. This is the end of the line and consumers won't be buying it again. But then they always do. Like, everyone gobbled up Domino which was almost embarrassingly similar to other songs. Then everyone is in hysterics over Starships and Part of Me which are basically rehashes of rehashes of rehashes. I read a quote a long time ago from a producer who said that producing for the mass public is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of society. I always super bristled at that and thought it was condescending as hell, but I sort of get why producers would think of us in that way. I mean, a few of them are becoming multi-millionaires releasing the same song over and over and over again and people still gobble them down. I bet they (and in particular one of them) are sitting somewhere absolutely laughing their asses off. So, I give kudos to them for getting rich off basically one song/sound that has been recycled continuously. I don't blame them for releasing it over and over again. I DO wonder when it will finally get old. The newest batch was welcomed with open arms. I am sure we will have a new batch by summer-will those get rejected or will they be beloved as well? Will this be the year that we get over it and a new pop sound comes out, or will it last for a few more years? This isn't new by the way-I realize that. I traced the trends in pop music one time and figured out that each "trend" usually lasts for 4-6 years. So, really we have the possibility of getting these types of songs for a few more years. It just sucks when you aren't a fan of the sound that is currently dominating pop music when you love pop music, ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 2:11:22 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... "Donating" all of the money? Really? Our Katy? The same Katy? Wow. Receipts? katyperry My proceeds of #PARTOFME from ITUNES & others will go to one of my favorite charities for the arts, MUSICARES: Grammy.org/MusiCares From Katy herself...all of her proceeds..so it's not something the record company is doing(since they will pocket their share)but Katy is donating all her royalties.... She isn't the devil....She was also the same women who performed a free concert for her fans, just because. In the end...it's looking good for another #1 for Katy :) Great time to be a Katy stan <3 Best of all we get even more music. |
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 2:13:45 GMT -5
Yes. Thank you. I have nothing against Katy but in a week when classic real talent (Whitney) and new real talent (Adele) are at the forefront of everyone's minds, it really does suck seeing a cheap trick #1 of rushed material from a very average artist blockade the two others. On principle it just seems wrong. (I liked some of Katy's singles before I get called a "hater," but this latest one is a joke. I feel like we're being punked). I don't think it is a cheap trick at all. There is nothing wrong with having a good business model and getting that cash when you can. The point is nothing but raking in as much cash as possible and doing whatever you need to do to get that cash. If anything is punking me it is the buying audience that is buying literally the same song over and over and over and over again. Like, whenever another fairly generic rehash comes out of the same song or sound that has been popular for three years I am like, OK this is the end. This is the end of the line and consumers won't be buying it again. But then they always do. Like, everyone gobbled up Domino which was almost embarrassingly similar to other songs. Then everyone is in hysterics over Starships and Part of Me which are basically rehashes of rehashes of rehashes. I read a quote a long time ago from a producer who said that producing for the mass public is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator of society. I always super bristled at that and thought it was condescending as hell, but I sort of get why producers would think of us in that way. I mean, a few of them are becoming multi-millionaires releasing the same song over and over and over again and people still gobble them down. I bet they (and in particular one of them) are sitting somewhere absolutely laughing their asses off. So, I give kudos to them for getting rich off basically one song/sound that has been recycled continuously. I don't blame them for releasing it over and over again. I DO wonder when it will finally get old. The newest batch was welcomed with open arms. I am sure we will have a new batch by summer-will those get rejected or will they be beloved as well? Will this be the year that we get over it and a new pop sound comes out, or will it last for a few more years? This isn't new by the way-I realize that. I traced the trends in pop music one time and figured out that each "trend" usually lasts for 4-6 years. So, really we have the possibility of getting these types of songs for a few more years. It just sucks when you aren't a fan of the sound that is currently dominating pop music when you love pop music, ha ha. ^"TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur +1 this." lol |
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 2:15:25 GMT -5
Am I on trial or something?
Did you go on to read the rest of what she said in her post? ???
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 2:19:08 GMT -5
Am I on trial or something? Did you go on to read the rest of what she said in her post? ??? LOL Just found it amusing that you agree with "everything" she said when her first couple of sentences contradicted your whole point. haha |
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 2:22:02 GMT -5
Am I on trial or something? Did you go on to read the rest of what she said in her post? ??? LOL Just found it amusing that you agree with "everything" she said when her first couple of sentences contradicted your whole point. haha Why do you care so much that a stranger doesn't like your Katy's song? Really worrying. I agree with the majority of what she said. I still think it's a cheap trick since the very purpose of rehash is to maximize revenue with minimum effort. That whole method was summed up nicely in Amy's post. |
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 2:26:00 GMT -5
Just found it amusing that you agree with "everything" she said when her first couple of sentences contradicted your whole point. haha Why do you care so much that a stranger doesn't like your Katy's song so much? Really worrying. I agree with the majority of what she said. I still think it's a cheap trick since the very purpose of rehash is to maximum revenue, minimum effort. That whole method was summed up nicely in Amy's post. I really don't care what you think about the song, tbh. I care more about how the general public perceives it. All signs point to the public really liking what they're hearing, hence the amazing sales. I'm looking forward to that number one. :) Oh ok. Majority of what she said and not everything? Just checking. Otherwise, it would look like you changed your mind pretty quickly. haha Glad that's cleared up. ;) |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 16, 2012 2:56:19 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said Love Plastic Love! If anything is punking me it is the buying audience that is buying literally the same song over and over and over and over again. Like, whenever another fairly generic rehash comes out of the same song or sound that has been popular for three years I am like, OK this is the end. This is the end of the line and consumers won't be buying it again. But then they always do. I think the public will buy what they're exposed to. Most exposure comes from radio initially, and I think the reason we get rehash after rehash and people keep on buying it is because they're largely unaware of other music out there. Radio PD's have been known to play it safe and anytime a hit song breaks through in sales that sounds very different, they're hesitant to play it. Instead they keep playing rehash after rehash because it's safe for them. They know listeners will expect that sound already, so there's no risk. Thats an assumption thats not based on facts. People buy what they like. There have been songs with good exposure and they get nowhere on iTunes...or they don't go as high as Katy's current record. I could've lived with the decision if Billboard didn't just spring it up and had been consistent with their decisions on this matter in years past. I think the decision should be a retroactive decision. The way the did it looks like they were stanning... it wasn't like this issue didn't come up numerous times before....most notably when Michael Jackson owned 6 of the top 10 best selling singles yet none of them could chart. Chart changes should happen at the beginning of each chart year and not on a whim. *Ohh welll we like Whitney Houston so we're going to chart all of her old stuff when we didn't afford other artists the same thing in years past when they were a far and away more dominant chart force to be reckoned with.* |
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 16, 2012 2:58:20 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... katyperry My proceeds of #PARTOFME from ITUNES & others will go to one of my favorite charities for the arts, MUSICARES: Grammy.org/MusiCares And making sure everyone knows about it. ;) I actually don't hate Katy as a person, obviously--I don't know her at all. But, I do find her to be the most vapid, generic, here-for-fame-only pop star we've had in a while, and I'm not ashamed to admit the monstrous success of someone like that totally irks me. The whole idea of what her music has become feels cheap to me, but POM's success is probably the most legitimate she's had in a while--no remix, no slashed prices, no deals. Just great promo and a song people are, somehow, connecting to that's putting her in the lead in spite of some seriously huge competition. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 16, 2012 3:00:31 GMT -5
It is kind of annoying that in a week where Adele and Whitney are clearly the huge music stories, Katy Perry of all people is looking set for the next Hot 100 #1. Yes. Thank you. I have nothing against Katy but in a week when classic real talent (Whitney) and new real talent (Adele) are at the forefront of everyone's minds, it really does suck seeing a cheap trick #1 of rushed material from a very average artist blockade the two others. On principle it just seems wrong. (I liked some of Katy's singles before I get called a "hater," but this latest one is a joke. I feel like we're being punked). That's ridiculous. Katy Perry has every right to be up there like the rest of them. Katy writes her own music and plays guitar. So what she isn't the soaring boring ballad type of artist that Whitney and Adele are. That's just you people trying to get validation for your musical leanings when the public has spoken in a resounding way. The public clearly likes this track from Katy Perry enough to buy it in droves. Since when was Whitney writing her own songs or playing instruments. Keep that fake high horse crap to yourself. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 16, 2012 3:07:21 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... katyperry My proceeds of #PARTOFME from ITUNES & others will go to one of my favorite charities for the arts, MUSICARES: Grammy.org/MusiCares And making sure everyone knows about it. ;) I actually don't hate Katy as a person, obviously--I don't know her at all. But, I do find her to be the most vapid, generic, here-for-fame-only pop star we've had in a while, and I'm not ashamed to admit the monstrous success of someone like that totally irks me. The whole idea of what her music has become feels cheap to me, but POM's success is probably the most legitimate she's had in a while--no remix, no slashed prices, no deals. Just great promo and a song people are, somehow, connecting to that's putting her in the lead in spite of some seriously huge competition. I find an Adele or Whitney Houston album to be nothing more than a boring, vapid & generic collection of assembly line ballads. All of their music sounds the same. Theres nothing different about it from one record to the next. Its recording the same song with the same few notes over and over again. Adele and Whitney are one dimensional artists. Theres nothing to it accept them doing the same thing over and over again. They don't have room to be experimental at all. If you've heard one song, you've heard them all. |
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Post by slamina on Feb 16, 2012 3:18:40 GMT -5
But again while we are talking about cash...Katy's donating all of the money from POM...she's actually being nice..... katyperry My proceeds of #PARTOFME from ITUNES & others will go to one of my favorite charities for the arts, MUSICARES: Grammy.org/MusiCares And making sure everyone knows about it. ;) I actually don't hate Katy as a person, obviously--I don't know her at all. But, I do find her to be the most vapid, generic, here-for-fame-only pop star we've had in a while, and I'm not ashamed to admit the monstrous success of someone like that totally irks me. The whole idea of what her music has become feels cheap to me, but POM's success is probably the most legitimate she's had in a while--no remix, no slashed prices, no deals. Just great promo and a song people are, somehow, connecting to that's putting her in the lead in spite of some seriously huge competition. Perhaps making people know about it would galvanize a larger crowd to buy it so more money could go to charity? :o Really? We never noticed. :kii: |
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