Hot 100 Re-entries

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Effective February 25, 2012 chart -- Billboard will allow any and all old singles to chart provided they perform well enough to make the top 50

Not unprecedented but some of the most notable songs to have two sucessful chart runs were

The Twist - Chubby Checker
Stand By Me - Ben E King
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Monster Mash - Bobby Boris Picket

All of the above made the top 10 in 2 chart runs

The Twist went to #1 twice and to date is the ony song to do so


This thread is to track chart runs of songs that benefit by the new rule.


So far the only songs to chart are former #1's by Whitney Houston, however, it is inevitable that others are on the way

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February 25, 2012 chart


7 RE-ENTRY 27 I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
35 RE-ENTRY 19 I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me), Whitney Houston
41 RE-ENTRY 19 Greatest Love Of All, Whitney Houston

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March 3, 2012 - 3 Whitney songs from last week move up and How Will I Know makes its first re-appearance

3 7 0 28 I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
25 35 0 20 I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me), Whitney Houston
36 41 0 20 Greatest Love Of All, Whitney Houston
49 RE-ENTRY 24 How Will I Know, Whitney Houston

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"any old song"....but I'm guess that doesn't include X-mas/season songs, do you know 2M?

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Not sure - I agree that if they are now letting everything else in, Christmas songs should be let in too but, we won't know for a while I think

[Stefan85]

I'm pretty sure "The Twist" won't hold that record for long.

[SPRΞΞ]

allowing xmas songs would reflect what's popular at the time. If the charts are cluttered with xmas songs, then that's because they are what's popular during that given week. They should allow it.

[Au$tin]

Feb 25, 2012 23:44:37 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

allowing xmas songs would reflect what's popular at the time. If the charts are cluttered with xmas songs, then that's because they are what's popular during that given week. They should allow it.

True. The chart has been cluttered by Jonas, Bieber, Swift, and Glee within the past four years, so I see no reason why Christmas songs shouldn't clutter it either.

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Bing Crosby's "White Christmas" hit the US charts every year from it's 1942 release to 1962 (even hitting #1 in 3 different years). Of course the Hot 100 was only around for a handful of those years.

1958 #66
1959 #59
1960 #26
1961 #12
1962 #38

The Contours' "Do You Love Me" hit #3 in 1962 and then #11 in 1988.
The Four Seasons' "December 1963 (Oh What A Night)" hit #1 in 1975 and then re-peaked in remixed form at #14 in 1994.

[badrobot]

Do you have a rule in this thread about what constitutes "separate chart runs" -- frequently album cuts will debut and disappear when an album is initially released, then if they are single they will appear again.

Then you have songs like Adele's Set Fire to the Rain and Rumour Has It which I think have re-entered multiple times.

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That to me is 1 chart run.

A "chart run" is something that is released as a single, has run ts course and disappears and labels have discontinued promotion or it has gone recurrent.


Itunes singles that subsequently get released to radio is still the same chart run

Rolling In The Deep rhat reenters the top 10 after 6 months is still the same chart run.

Songs that would not have otherwise charted if not for the "Whitney rule" are the focus here.

Also songs that had two chart runs in the past (the biggest ones are in the first post)

Others might be God Bless The USA, Whitney's Star Spangled Banner, December 1963 and others

[suth]

I wonder what the implications are for the "drop off the chart when you fall below 50" rule. It seems like you could have a kind of phantom song effect where a song repeatedly appears and disappears as it hovers around the 50 mark. It's kind of like the run for "Crazy Girl," which was one long, slow climb with a one-week hole in the middle of it where it fell off the chart because it dipped below 50 without a bullet.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Feb 26, 2012 1:37:43 GMT -5 suth said:

I wonder what the implications are for the "drop off the chart when you fall below 50" rule. It seems like you could have a kind of phantom song effect where a song repeatedly appears and disappears as it hovers around the 50 mark. It's kind of like the run for "Crazy Girl," which was one long, slow climb with a one-week hole in the middle of it where it fell off the chart because it dipped below 50 without a bullet.

That's a good point. For example, plenty of songs fall off the charts, but pick up points during year-end countdowns, so will they come back on? I think we'll figure that rule out pretty quickly if we don't see any "current" songs come back on the chart after they dip below 50.

[jebsib]

Billboard better be on this is in a big way. Recall last year when it took a Pule member to alert the chart dept that Uncle Kracker's "Smile" should have reentered weeks earlier due to newer country airplay. Until then I always presumed they had a computer program that automatically calculated these things, but ....

[HolidayGuy]

No official word on holiday songs- Billboard may keep them as recurrents, because of their seasonal nature. And it did introduce the Holiday Hot 100 last year.

[areyoureadytojump]

^Agreed. They won't be having all these old Christmas songs re-entering.

[HolidayGuy]

^It may just be a handful that would rank in the top 50 with airplay and sales combined, but, yeah, I agree. Plus, as noted, Christmas songs often had their own set of rules (i.e. the Christmas chart back in the day).

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I don't think Christmas songs will happen either.

As it is still February, we seem to have all year to worry about it

[SPRΞΞ]

it's not even about Christmas songs in general, all this speculation is all about one song.

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LOL - yes I didn't want to spotlight it but this is the "Get Mariah that 19th #1" movement in disguise.

If Mariah did not sing that song I don't think anyone would care

[neverduplicated]

Feb 26, 2012 11:50:23 GMT -5 @2m said:

LOL - yes I didn't want to spotlight it but this is the "Get Mariah that 19th #1" movement in disguise.

If Mariah did not sing that song I don't think anyone would care

True, but what happens come Halloween time when "Thriller" and "Monster Mash" see a fair bit of sales and airplay, perhaps enough to warrant a top 50 placement. The same rules should apply for those as for Xmas songs as they are also seasonal in nature. Also, it seems odd that "seasonal" somehow wouldn't chart, yet "as a result of death" would. After all, that probably will be where the majority of these re-entries come from. I can't imagine many songs at all would jump into the top 50 of the Hot 100 w/o being seasonal or because of someone's death. Even one of the most watched events on TV didn't propel the classic "Like a Prayer" into the top 50 - what else would?

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I agree. If someone dying makes their songs eligible for the Hot 100 again, I don't see any reason why seasonal songs shouldn't be allowed to chart. As I posted earlier, "White Christmas" charted every Christmas for 20 years (several of those being after the Hot 100 was introduced). If they're going to allow older songs to re-enter if they are getting enough sales and airplay than it should include seasonal songs too.

[renfield75]

If Billboard allows Halloween tracks to chart but not Christmas ones, watch for Mariah to release "All I Want For Halloween Is You" this year. But really though I don't think holiday songs should be excluded. It's just a shame that Jeff Buckley and Israel Ka'makawi'iole ("Over The Rainbow") were denied Hot 100 appearances. It'll be interesting to see who benefits from this change.

[HolidayGuy]

"Thriller" isn't a Halloween track, per se, though. Even "Monster Mash" doesn't reference Halloween or the holiday- those songs just fit into tyhe Halloween season. And note that Billboard's holiday charts only include Christmas, Thanksgiving and New year's tracks.

"All I Want For Halloween is You" would be a new track, so it would be eligible for the Hot 100, regardless.

Re-entries will be few and far between- just like catalog albums that crack the top 10 on the BB 200. It's not like we've seen loads of catalog titles sell enough to rank inside the top 10. A reissue here, a passing there, usually lead to those kinds of things.

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Re entries in the top 50 will happen every time a song gets performed on TV or an Idol show or an awards show


Catalog albums have been a constant presence in the top 50 for a while. Granted top 10 is still fairly uncommon but catalog titles now, more so than in 2009 have a bigger presence.

Over 50 titles make the top 200 now, the only time that used to happen was Christmas

[HolidayGuy]

^Probably not every time, but some instances, I'm sure some will sell enough to rank inside the Hot 100 top 50. :)

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OK but my point was that maybe it would not be quite as rare as you suggest


As I started this thread to track the effects of the "Whitney rule" and will post updates weekly.

I will say that I think EVERY SONG, even 'All I Want For Christmas Is You' will chart on the Hot 100 in February and March if it generated enough points to make the top 50, regardless of what Christmas rules are in place.

Now regarding what the Christmas rules are and what will and won't sell in December, since this is February, not sure I care much.

[neverduplicated]

Feb 26, 2012 13:50:07 GMT -5 @2m said:

Re entries in the top 50 will happen every time a song gets performed on TV or an Idol show or an awards show

I really don't think this is true though. It might be true for a few songs that have just fallen out of the top 50 and then are performed on TV, but is that really a big deal anyway? Like I said before, the classic "Like a Prayer" was performed in front of over 110 million Americans, and yet that wasn't enough to propel it into the top 50. How often do we really see older songs jump into the top ranks of the Itunes chart? And even if they do get somewhat high, the airplay won't be there to boost the song. I can't imagine older songs just randomly popping back into the top 50, not nearly as often as older albums jump to the upper ranks of the Billboard 200 (which are also spurred by deaths, but also anniversary re-releases and heavy discounts, something singles generally don't receive).

Feb 26, 2012 13:34:58 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

"Thriller" isn't a Halloween track, per se, though. Even "Monster Mash" doesn't reference Halloween or the holiday- those songs just fit into tyhe Halloween season. And note that Billboard's holiday charts only include Christmas, Thanksgiving and New year's tracks.

I do see your point, but the songs are still seasonal in nature regardless. Why have a rule that affects almost zero songs if you won't allow the few songs that actually would benefit from this rule to chart? Why would we discriminate against Christmas songs just because they were written with a Christmas theme? Their popularity is still there, regardless of the reasons.

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It is not airplay that will bring these songs back to the top 50, it will be sales. Several times a year in past Idol seasons we have watched original versions of songs performed by contestants on Idol soar up the itunes.

I am only talking about top 50 here, not landing at #1. A few days of sustained sales in the itunes top 10 should be enough to rechart in the top 50

[imaslave4u]

Well, "Don't Stop Believing" certainly would've gotten more weeks in the Top 50 had this rule been imposed earlier.