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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 9:49:34 GMT -5
Overwrought and over analyzing much, there, Hibiscus? I mean really...it's just a song, not meant to be the second coming of Freud. This may be shocking for the average pulse member, but some people prefer posting a well-thought out opinion instead of just "OMG NEW KELLY SMASH". I mean to think, people trying to discuss music on a music board, the nerve
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Post by dbhmr on May 22, 2012 9:54:14 GMT -5
Always appreciate LispingHibiscus' well-thought-out posts--a lot of members could take note. And I agree that if I were to find fault with the song, it'd be in the vague lyrics, but I do think it was a rather intentional choice from the songwriters to make the more generic/relatable/pop-radio friendly lyrics rather than a deeper, more introspective singer/songwriter type song. And I agree that the way Kelly sings them you'd think she was singing magnificent poetry.
Now that this has been officially sent to radio and performed, it's time for it to start making some significant movement. It had to be pulled up out of basically nothing, so it may take a few days, but it's definitely time for this to get going.
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Post by Envoirment on May 22, 2012 11:27:44 GMT -5
The performance of this at the BMA's was excellent! Really enjoyed it and one of the highlights of the night. This is currently #230 on UK itunes and rising! I'm hopeful she comes over and performs this on The Voice UK. She appeared on the US version so I hope that means she is able to appear on the UK version Also, is there any news yet on the video and its release? Videos have a big impact on sales here in the UK, so I'm hoping it'll be coming soon.
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Post by roman89 on May 22, 2012 11:32:28 GMT -5
yikes at the song not even breaking the top 200 on iTunes after the performance. not a good start, to be honest. hopefully, DWTS will at least do the trick. :/ Ya, its rather disappointing. Don't want to get into the conversation really, but, I have to wonder if she went with a more uptempo/happy song if it would have fared much better. I think tonight's performance will shed some more light on how well this song will be received. (and after radio airplay starts, of course)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 13:04:55 GMT -5
^I don't feel the BMA had much of a drastic effect on the sales of most of the songs performed bar "Wide Awake". Everything else just seemed to get minor boosts. I feel it's more a reflection on how much effect the BMA has on sales as opposed to the performance of this song.
Although if it turns out to be a reflection and this song flops, then they'll need to play the next single very carefully.
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Post by singingsparrow on May 22, 2012 16:26:13 GMT -5
Lyrically, this is imperfect. We never are provided specifics as to what a "dark side" actually consists of. Doubts? Insecurities? Self-effacing comments? We simply don't know. So the title can't help but feel like a cop-out to me; provided for the mere purpose of saying: "Oh, you know what it's like..." But the point isn't to isolate one aspect of a potential 'dark side', but to leave it generally broad so every individual's faults, mishaps or short-comings can be put in place. Why be specific when so many qualities we possess society dictates a high intolerance for, thus the need to seek approval and confirmation of continuing love. yikes at the song not even breaking the top 200 on iTunes after the performance. not a good start, to be honest. hopefully, DWTS will at least do the trick. :/ No one got a large boost from the show bar Katy Perry (Who was aided by mass coverage of her... Interesting performance skills and a next day radio adds date) and Carrie Underwood (The song being already in the top 120 due to the recent release of her album) Rating were low, and for a song with no radio airplay, and had to climb the depths of practically no sales, it did well. I see your point, but I still consider it lazy, from a songwriting perspective, to just base a song around the phrase "Dark Side".......and then assume everyone will universally get it just because the song happens to be titled that. There's just no depth to the lyrics. It's primarily regurgitated "Can you take me as I am?" platitudes strung together, though executed quite well. There, by the way, also happen to be many spiritual traditions, including in the Tantric vein, that believe in what's called the "Law of Opposites." That is, we can't experience joy without sorrow, and that it is through not fearing the dark that we experience light. It is a marked contrast to Western culture, where we are obsessed with contrasts and distancing ourselves from the unknown, especially the dark.....because the dark is always categorized as taboo and unseemly. Don't get me wrong. I like this song overall. I think Clarkson vocally delivers this strong. But I do believe the lyrics are notably empty, and if you were to have a relationship with someone who constantly used "I'm sorry........that wasn't me, that was my dark side coming out, don't run away!" as an excuse.........would you really want to stay with that person indefinitely? It strikes me as though the person isn't consciously coming to terms with where whatever scope of deeper, more urgent emotions and processes are coming from, and curious about delving deeper and forming a broader understanding of them. Instead, the subject just says "Can you just give me the benefit of the doubt and love me unconditionally?" It sounds like a touching proposition. But then again, how can you expect to love someone else if you can't fully love and understand yourself? Without any specifics, the lyrics just read like even the protagonist hasn't fully come to terms with her "dark side". Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS
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Post by Focus on May 22, 2012 18:29:47 GMT -5
official Dark Side single cover. Courtesy Kellys Biggest Iowa Fan at the KCE..
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 22, 2012 18:31:34 GMT -5
I really like the cover.
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Post by ƒreakshow on May 22, 2012 18:37:40 GMT -5
official Dark Side single cover. Courtesy Kellys Biggest Iowa Fan at the KCE.. I don't remember what format his station is, but he also said it was sent to radio today about 2 hours ago. Finally RCA is starting the push for this. :) Not really a fan of the cover, but whatever. It fits the song I suppose, so that's all I'd ask for.
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Post by dbhmr on May 22, 2012 18:40:07 GMT -5
Looking at it again here, I like it more than I initially responded to it. I think it's actually the strongest single cover in terms of being relative to the song, but they used very basic Photoshop tools and I think they could have gone much further with it (and I'm sure several fan-made covers will). But it is still rather pretty and striking. Effective enough for a third-single cover in this day and age when they hardly matter at all.
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Post by franklin on May 22, 2012 18:57:09 GMT -5
I like it, it's completely her. Gives off a dark & emotional vibe as well, which is fitting.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 18:59:57 GMT -5
Solid single cover.
I'm surprised this didn't get a single early add this week. I thought with the performance someone would have jumped on early.
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Post by TheAzianWill on May 22, 2012 19:05:13 GMT -5
This song is officially now on All Access!
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Post by brad4560 on May 22, 2012 19:43:56 GMT -5
it's ready for adds baby!! c'mon radio let's make this a hit!!
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Post by Party City on May 22, 2012 20:22:20 GMT -5
It looks like a still from a music video. Has one been shot yet?
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Post by ƒreakshow on May 22, 2012 20:31:53 GMT -5
It looks like a still from a music video. Has one been shot yet? Yes - and that is indeed where it's from. It's supposedly set for release this Thursday, according to an article posted today from The Insider, but that's the first we've heard of a release date for it. Who knows if that'll end up being true.
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Post by Jay on May 22, 2012 23:01:19 GMT -5
The cover looks sweet.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 23, 2012 1:32:35 GMT -5
didn't she perform tonight? Where is this on iTunes? This is her best song of all time. Where the fuck is it? It's making me mad.
I may have been against Mr. Know It All, cuz that really isn't the best lead single of all time by her, but THIS song, out of ALL the songs by her known to man.....THIS should smash.
what is goin on?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 23, 2012 3:21:19 GMT -5
But the point isn't to isolate one aspect of a potential 'dark side', but to leave it generally broad so every individual's faults, mishaps or short-comings can be put in place. Why be specific when so many qualities we possess society dictates a high intolerance for, thus the need to seek approval and confirmation of continuing love. No one got a large boost from the show bar Katy Perry (Who was aided by mass coverage of her... Interesting performance skills and a next day radio adds date) and Carrie Underwood (The song being already in the top 120 due to the recent release of her album) Rating were low, and for a song with no radio airplay, and had to climb the depths of practically no sales, it did well. I see your point, but I still consider it lazy, from a songwriting perspective, to just base a song around the phrase "Dark Side".......and then assume everyone will universally get it just because the song happens to be titled that. There's just no depth to the lyrics. It's primarily regurgitated "Can you take me as I am?" platitudes strung together, though executed quite well. There, by the way, also happen to be many spiritual traditions, including in the Tantric vein, that believe in what's called the "Law of Opposites." That is, we can't experience joy without sorrow, and that it is through not fearing the dark that we experience light. It is a marked contrast to Western culture, where we are obsessed with contrasts and distancing ourselves from the unknown, especially the dark.....because the dark is always categorized as taboo and unseemly. Don't get me wrong. I like this song overall. I think Clarkson vocally delivers this strong. But I do believe the lyrics are notably empty, and if you were to have a relationship with someone who constantly used "I'm sorry........that wasn't me, that was my dark side coming out, don't run away!" as an excuse.........would you really want to stay with that person indefinitely? It strikes me as though the person isn't consciously coming to terms with where whatever scope of deeper, more urgent emotions and processes are coming from, and curious about delving deeper and forming a broader understanding of them. Instead, the subject just says "Can you just give me the benefit of the doubt and love me unconditionally?" It sounds like a touching proposition. But then again, how can you expect to love someone else if you can't fully love and understand yourself? Without any specifics, the lyrics just read like even the protagonist hasn't fully come to terms with her "dark side". Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS but...it's a pop song. This deep, deep thinking is a little bit too much for CHR.
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Post by dajire4 on May 23, 2012 7:04:32 GMT -5
exactly my thoughts, it doesn't have to be a philosophical thesis. You are the one to give it a meaning
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Post by Pikachu. on May 23, 2012 7:29:21 GMT -5
didn't she perform tonight? Where is this on iTunes? This is her best song of all time. Where the f**k is it? It's making me mad. I may have been against Mr. Know It All, cuz that really isn't the best lead single of all time by her, but THIS song, out of ALL the songs by her known to man.....THIS should smash. what is goin on? She only did like one verse and one chorus of this, then went into Stronger for the rest of the performance.
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Post by josh on May 23, 2012 7:35:47 GMT -5
KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 0.284 KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 0.260 KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 0.566
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Post by Peterawr on May 23, 2012 8:58:50 GMT -5
Smashing gods, please let this smash.
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Post by dbhmr on May 23, 2012 9:44:51 GMT -5
The early iTunes performance is a bit troubling, but the song is at the highest its been on the Pop charts (#71) since the album dropped. Also, after last night, the deluxe album is up to #63 (and climbing) from the 120s and the standard edition is #155 from below the top 200. "Stronger" also saw a pretty decent bump, coming up from the low 30s/high 40s to #27.
I loved both performances, but since DWTS gets a bigger audience, I sort of wish she had switched them. We wouldn't have had the "moment" of her coming out with her "new figure" and that gorgeous, understated "Dark Side" performance at an award show, but the number of viewers are key, and the BMAs didn't really have them. Hopefully as this takes off on radio and with the video release, this will start to climb iTunes quicker.
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Post by Jay on May 23, 2012 11:03:20 GMT -5
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Post by Envoirment on May 23, 2012 14:23:59 GMT -5
Some good news!
"Dark Side" has now been A-listed by BBC radio 2 and B-listed by BBC radio 1. With it currently at #210 on itunes and the video out tomorrow, I'm very hopeful that this will become a top 10 hit in the UK!
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Post by Kurt on May 23, 2012 16:09:01 GMT -5
The video is in fact out tomorrow, as confirmed by HITS/VEVO: www.hitsdailydouble.com/media/media_vevo.cgiI also wanted to say to LispingHibiscus that I appreciate your posts and see no issue with expressing your extended thoughts on a pop song.
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Post by brad4560 on May 23, 2012 16:09:18 GMT -5
can't wait to see the video. wow dmds has this, newmusicserver doesn't?? need this yesterday! lol
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Post by Party City on May 23, 2012 16:32:17 GMT -5
I'm actually glad this didn't blow up on iTunes after that teaser performance. It has such little airplay that a spike in sales this early could ruin a good peak.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 23, 2012 16:40:55 GMT -5
I am so scared radio is going to ignore this. I know-patience, patience, patience.
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