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Post by Au$tin on May 24, 2012 15:42:55 GMT -5
While they aren't as good as a live performance, they definitely do help. Just look at Rihanna, for example, "Rude Boy" and "Where Have You Been" benefitted vastly from their respective music videos. But music videos are so much more Rihanna's medium than Kelly's. I think wallace has a valid point. People look for music videos from Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc. because they have a reputation for being huge productions. Kelly hasn't had that reputation for years, so the only people that go to watch the video are probably people that just want to listen to the song on YouTube and the video is the first result that comes up. And you see how well that helps them digitally when their video are released. Maybe it's high time Kelly becomes one of those artists.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 24, 2012 17:19:35 GMT -5
it's really bad tho, for how great of a song it is. All those extras were so unnecessary. Who were they? Just posing for the camera for a smile shot. Too many cliches. Not rewatchable at all.
that said, i refuse to believe this song won't go anywhere, but it's just too great to ignore.
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Post by bigb0882 on May 24, 2012 17:23:23 GMT -5
I liked it, actually. I don't care if Kelly does huge attention getting videos or not anymore. She is past that point in her career, it seems, as if she doesn't really care about that aspect of the business anymore. It certainly wouldn't hurt her to do them, that is for sure, but I can live with Kelly continuing to have amazing eras and albums if it means she doesn't have any truly great videos. It probably helps that I just don't care about videos in general, even the best ones. I do think the doom and gloom based on the video is hugely over done. The video may not help the song but it is in no way going to hurt it. Radio will spin this if it wants to, video or no video, great video or horrible video. Radio is most important and that is what will determine how this song does. Radio play = sales = success.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 24, 2012 17:57:39 GMT -5
how is she past that point in her career when she just had a 3-week #1 song with one of her biggest songs ever? I would think they made a lot of money off that single release, so I'm sure they had money to play around with.
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Post by dbhmr on May 24, 2012 18:06:23 GMT -5
But music videos are so much more Rihanna's medium than Kelly's. I think wallace has a valid point. People look for music videos from Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc. because they have a reputation for being huge productions. Kelly hasn't had that reputation for years, so the only people that go to watch the video are probably people that just want to listen to the song on YouTube and the video is the first result that comes up. And you see how well that helps them digitally when their video are released. Maybe it's high time Kelly becomes one of those artists. I don't disagree with you, but I don't think that changes what I said. We already know music videos are low on Kelly's priority list (though I still think she's out of touch for thinking they don't matter--YouTube has made them more accessible than ever, with or without a TRL countdown), and we also know that people don't anticipate Kelly's music videos anywhere near as much as they do by the women I mentioned. Would it help if all that changed? Of course--but I don't think it will.
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Post by Cripple Bitch on May 24, 2012 18:22:51 GMT -5
I've heard this three times on my local HAC station already. They love them some Kelly.
The BBMA's didn't really give anyone a substantial boost and she only performed a bit of it on DWTS. The adds date isn't even here yet. It won't be as big as Stronger, IMO, but it will do well.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 24, 2012 19:30:38 GMT -5
Where is this on iTunes?
And I disagree with it not being as big as Stronger. If Adele can make it to #1 on CHR with her ballads, so can this, because I feel Dark Side is just as strong a song as Set Fire to the Rain.
As for what ifs....what if Stronger was the lead and Dark Side was 2nd? Makes you wonder...cuz then this would've come out during the winter months.
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Post by Au$tin on May 24, 2012 19:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by NeRD on May 24, 2012 19:53:22 GMT -5
A little cliche, but not a bad video. A little worried about the Itunes performance of this as well. Hopefully radio supports it.
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Post by vithor on May 24, 2012 19:57:35 GMT -5
Where is this on iTunes? And I disagree with it not being as big as Stronger. If Adele can make it to #1 on CHR with her ballads, so can this, because I feel Dark Side is just as strong a song as Set Fire to the Rain. As for what ifs....what if Stronger was the lead and Dark Side was 2nd? Makes you wonder...cuz then this would've come out during the winter months. Well, it kinda is. I mean who still remembers Mr Know It All at this point?
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Post by ElijahWood on May 24, 2012 20:17:26 GMT -5
Eh, the video was alright. Doubt it will persuade anyone on the fence to buy the song, though. I never felt this song in general, they should have gone with 'Einstein', imo. I like Kelly, so I hope this does well regardless.
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Post by circadian on May 24, 2012 20:47:07 GMT -5
So much wasted potential. This could have been another Behind These Hazel Eyes/Because of You/Never Again video wise. Instead, we got another Mr. Know It All. It's not a bad video, it's ok... but it's just... there, you know? There's not much going on. The only bright side (pun intended) is that Kelly looks amazing, and that hideous dress doesn't look that bad on motion.
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Post by Nicolexo on May 24, 2012 20:54:31 GMT -5
I'm not overly disappointed in the video because I imagined it would be just like Beautiful/F*cking Perfect/Firework etc etc from the get go and Kelly, even though I love her, has never been an artist who really has many amazing videos unfortunately. The worst aspect to me was how it looked so low budget and cheap. It looks like something an indie artist would release for a video lol, it wasn't even in HD.
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Post by lapetitemort on May 24, 2012 21:51:25 GMT -5
Kelly is my favorite pop artist and...
her music videos this era have been embarrassing, at least for me. I cannot watch them without blushing.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 24, 2012 22:40:19 GMT -5
I'm not overly disappointed in the video because I imagined it would be just like Beautiful/F*cking Perfect/Firework etc etc from the get go and Kelly, even though I love her, has never been an artist who really has many amazing videos unfortunately. The worst aspect to me was how it looked so low budget and cheap. It looks like something an indie artist would release for a video lol, it wasn't even in HD. That is partially what I don't get. It would NOT cost much to at least make the videos look....not cheap. Like, I have seen webcam videos with similar (and sometimes better) quality. What are they even recording these videos with that makes them look so cheap? Or is it how they are uploaded? Who is doing the editing, too? I guess to maximize profit they are just-literally-going as cheap as humanly possible with the videos. Oh well. At least the music is good.
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Post by Bluesy on May 24, 2012 23:38:34 GMT -5
To Pikachu. and ♥Electra♥, I agree with you both so much. Especially with this, "A lot of members here are also pros of making something depressing." It really is discouraging to come to Pulse these days and see people pile on the negativity.
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Post by dbhmr on May 25, 2012 10:28:22 GMT -5
KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 0.789
And just to give people an idea of what it's up against:
9. KELLY CLARKSON - Stronger (What Doesn't Kill ...: 104.647 (- 0.103)
That song's losses have slowed considerably in the last week. Anyone that said Dark Side wasn't coming fast enough was wrong--stations still aren't dropping this song much. It's climb on AC is helping, but it's still doing really well.
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Post by ElijahWood on May 25, 2012 10:41:53 GMT -5
That song's losses have slowed considerably in the last week. Anyone that said Dark Side wasn't coming fast enough was wrong--stations still aren't dropping this song much. It's climb on AC is helping, but it's still doing really well. Maybe it's just me, but the timing for this single has been off entirely. It was released much too soon after 'WDKY', and it's just not much of a "summer song" at all, imo. It should have been single #4 for fall.
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Post by dbhmr on May 25, 2012 10:48:31 GMT -5
That song's losses have slowed considerably in the last week. Anyone that said Dark Side wasn't coming fast enough was wrong--stations still aren't dropping this song much. It's climb on AC is helping, but it's still doing really well. Maybe it's just me, but the timing for this single has been off entirely. It was released much too soon after 'WDKY', and it's just not much of a "summer song" at all, imo. It should have been single #4 for fall. I disagree--as long as the song is making gains, I don't care if they're slow while "Stronger" is still so high in rotation. But I think "Dark Side" is the best song on the album and the second best single choice after "Stronger." They had a choice: go safe with a familiar but more up-tempo sound for the summer, or strike while the iron was hot and send out something that could really come close to, if not match entirely, the success "Stronger" had. They seem to be aware this single will need more of a push, and I would venture to guess they will have more promo lined up in the future for this song. RCA doesn't do well with suddenly switching gears, so I think it's more likely they'll do what they can to keep this song's (and album's) success going. After this, I think it will depend entirely on how many singles deep they plan to go. If they are going to wrap the era up at four singles and "Dark Side" does well, I think they will send out "You Love Me." Kelly will be begging for it, she will not have had a cowrite single yet, and with two big singles in a row heading into the final single, what's the worst that could really happen? I'd actually be all for it--my love for that song has only grown and it'd be fun to continue the streak of slightly different sounds from Kelly on the radio, rather than revert to her comfort zone with "I Forgive You" or "Let Me Down."
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 25, 2012 10:55:13 GMT -5
if Dark Side does well (and it will) I think I Forgive You would be the next best choice to send this album to platinum status and beyond. You Love Me is good, but doesn't have enough oomph. Dark Side is obviously, as we are currently witnessing, is not safe, so 2 unsafe singles in a row is very risky.
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Post by wallace on May 25, 2012 10:57:57 GMT -5
I'm not overly disappointed in the video because I imagined it would be just like Beautiful/F*cking Perfect/Firework etc etc from the get go and Kelly, even though I love her, has never been an artist who really has many amazing videos unfortunately. The worst aspect to me was how it looked so low budget and cheap. It looks like something an indie artist would release for a video lol, it wasn't even in HD. That is partially what I don't get. It would NOT cost much to at least make the videos look....not cheap. Like, I have seen webcam videos with similar (and sometimes better) quality. What are they even recording these videos with that makes them look so cheap? Or is it how they are uploaded? Who is doing the editing, too? I guess to maximize profit they are just-literally-going as cheap as humanly possible with the videos. Oh well. At least the music is good. I doubt the Because of You video cost much to make.
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Post by clem on May 25, 2012 11:27:22 GMT -5
If she had sent out "Alone" it would've been Top 10 on iTunes by now. A smash is a smash is a smash
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 25, 2012 12:06:43 GMT -5
I am hoping radio doesn't latch onto Stronger so much that a follow-up is killed. I mean, in some ways Stronger is much better suited for summer and sounds GREAT on radio so I see why some stations would spin it again over Dark Side. But, Dark Side deserves a chance to shine. I wonder what they will do for the next singles. I am saying singles because I will be cranky if we only get four from this cd which has about 10 possible single choices I say go safe for single 4 (Even though fans hate it for some reason, everyone I know adores I Forgive You, crowds go insane for it, and I feel like it fits the "era" a bit better than Let Me Down so I would probably lean that way) and then close it out with whatever-probably You Love Me since Kelly adores it. Honestly, MKIA-Stronger-Dark Side-I Forgive You-You Love Me is a pretty strong, cohesive yet varied set of singles. I still think Alone could do something too, but it being a bonus track and her not rooting for it makes me think it will never see the light of day. Edit-I just re-listened to some of the songs again and I am already disagreeing with my own single choices ha ha. This is a tough cd-so many of the songs work in one way or another. I feel like Einstein genuinely may be the gem everyone is overlooking.
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Post by slayZ on May 25, 2012 12:34:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but the timing for this single has been off entirely. It was released much too soon after 'WDKY', and it's just not much of a "summer song" at all, imo. It should have been single #4 for fall. I disagree--as long as the song is making gains, I don't care if they're slow while "Stronger" is still so high in rotation. But I think "Dark Side" is the best song on the album and the second best single choice after "Stronger." They had a choice: go safe with a familiar but more up-tempo sound for the summer, or strike while the iron was hot and send out something that could really come close to, if not match entirely, the success "Stronger" had. They seem to be aware this single will need more of a push, and I would venture to guess they will have more promo lined up in the future for this song. RCA doesn't do well with suddenly switching gears, so I think it's more likely they'll do what they can to keep this song's (and album's) success going. I personally don't understand how releasing a song that's so...not similar to Stronger, has a slower tempo, and a darker tone, considered "striking the iron while it's hot," especially for summer season. Releasing I Forgive You would have been striking the iron while hot. It may be generic, but at least it follows the same tone/vibe as Stronger, which audiences seemed to instantly connect with. It's apparent already that audiences are reacting poorly to this. Two major performances and a video release couldn't even get it to crack the top 200 on iTunes and that's troubling, regardless of how badly some are trying to spin it. The truth is, this should be making rounds by now and it SHOULD be getting more attention and buzz. Kelly also has been everywhere lately promoting Duets so while it's not really that surprising that radio isn't going goo goo over this (to me, at least), it IS somewhat shocking that the song, instead of making increases on iTunes after two big appearances, a radio ad, and a video release, keeps sinking and is having issues even cracking the freaking top 250. So yeah, I definitely disagree with your "striking the iron while it's hot" statement. This really was the wrong single choice. It's a little early to be making assumptions, I know, but all signs seem to point out to this being on, well, the dark side.
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Post by Peterawr on May 25, 2012 12:54:58 GMT -5
I'm actually glad they sent out Dark Side. I Forgive You is kind of the safety net - if they sent out I Forgive You first, and THEN Dark Side, there might not be anything to catch with them afterward if things go awry (except for Let Me Down... which I am begging to be a single but, sadly, I don't think it's gonna happen).
I still think Dark Side will do very well. It's gonna be more of a grower than a hit it hard type of single. People were calling Mr. Know It All a flop this early in the game, and it made top 10 on Billboard and had such an unbelievable run as far as longevity is concerned that I am not concerned. Dark Side is MUCH stronger than MKIA so I have faith it will do well.
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Post by Au$tin on May 25, 2012 13:29:49 GMT -5
I personally think "I Forgive You" sounds a bit too dated. I'd rather have "Let Me Down" and "You Love Me" before "I Forgive You" any day.
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Post by Grün on May 25, 2012 14:05:33 GMT -5
I want I Forgive You it just screams hit, but I want this to do well and I am starting to get alittle scared. Stronger rocketed just because of a 15 second commercial, but it was played everywhere.
Please let this be a smash.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 14:41:32 GMT -5
^I don't feel the BMA had much of a drastic effect on the sales of most of the songs performed bar "Wide Awake". Everything else just seemed to get minor boosts. I feel it's more a reflection on how much effect the BMA has on sales as opposed to the performance of this song. Although if it turns out to be a reflection and this song flops, then they'll need to play the next single very carefully. Sadly it's turning out that this might be a reflection of the song's reflection instead of just the reflection of the BMA. I could make an excuse saying that the video being terrible means we shouldn't expect it to generate sales, but that is of course an excuse. This single is getting promotion and said promotion is not translating into sales. I know it's easy for everyone to start the "well they can just release X next" discussion again, but really some patience is needed. This song is still very likely to do well on Hot AC at the start even if CHR/Pop tries to neglect it. If it does well on Hot AC, then CHR/Pop is bound to pick it up and airplay will hopefully generate some sales. The adds date will be a better predictor of if this song is really dead on arrival or not. If it doesn't get a meaningful number of adds on either format, then we can panic and talk about the next single. If it does get a healthy number of starting adds, then no worries, it'll just take some time to get off the ground. I'll also disagree with the notion of this adds date being perfect because Stronger is stabilizing. I feel that the adds date being so far after Stronger had peaked, that it actually gave Stronger enough time to stabilize that it became an issue. Whereas had radio had something to jump onto a little bit earlier, Stronger's fall would have continued at a reasonable pace instead of stabilizing.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on May 25, 2012 15:00:24 GMT -5
It's still WAAAAAAAAAY to early to rule this song out. Not maybe 2 or 3 weeks after the adds date, and it isn't doing anything, they should consider getting on getting out I Forgive You to radio asap. Stronger didn't really take off til it started getting airplay. It's still a week and a half til its adds date.
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Post by slamina on May 25, 2012 15:47:21 GMT -5
I do think it's too early to say this won't be a hit. The potential is still there for a slow climb to a decent peak a la MKIA. I do think, however, that the signs are pointing at this moment at this not being a "Stronger" sized smash. I've always felt this would be a moderate hit. We'll see what happens.
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