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Post by Jay on Apr 14, 2012 10:22:54 GMT -5
btw, any chance they're not releasing the single at all? The album isn't doing much saleswise so why waste money on promoting a new song. Yes, I'm sure they're on the verge of cancelling this whole project. Why must Kelly be such a flop. :(
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 14, 2012 12:46:50 GMT -5
I don't even think they need to release this right now. Stronger still has like, 150 million audience impressions. It isn't even collapsing that fast. Sales are solid. I do find myself wishing that Stronger had smashed any other time than the sales doldrum of the year. No one is doing insane numbers right now except Adele and sales are typically a bit slower overall. Like, imagine if Stronger had been smashing during the holiday season ha ha (and I am one of those people who genuinely believes the song was destined to smash no matter when it was released). However, no point in thinking about what ifs. The album has been steady and has a few potential hits left that should keep it steady or even make it rise up a bit. This should sell at least platinum with an off-chance of even more if one of the songs takes off like Stronger did.
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Post by bigb0882 on Apr 14, 2012 13:26:47 GMT -5
I also don't mind waiting on an adds date. Stronger has been in the 150 million AI range for a long time. It seemed to hover around 153 million AI for days and days, it even gained AI for a couple of days last week! It may be falling on Pop but it isn't free falling quite yet and there really is no rush. RCA has been on the ball this era and I am going to quit questioning their decisions.
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Post by kmbgs on Apr 14, 2012 14:36:15 GMT -5
I think Stronger's smashing was well worth it. I look at it as building up good will for the album. If DS is a hit (or hopefully, a smash) and keeps Kelly in the forefront of listener's minds, that will build up even more. Then, and this is where we have to cross our fingers even harder, if the 4th single is a hit too, that will put us in the middle of the holiday season, with a whole lotta good will built up. People, having heard 4 songs they like, will be in a prime position to buy the album, and it could benefit from a holiday bump to be reckoned with.
I believe this is what happened with BA. First holiday sales season (2004) it did OK, debuted with, what, 250 and then hovered around the lower top 20 for the remainder of the holiday season. Then SUBG kept sales steady (albeit, steadier - I think it was top 10 a number of weeks in the winter of 2005), and BTHE did the same. Then BOY came out, and sales exploded in the holiday season of 2005 (presumably, among other reasons, because consumers had at this point seen the album produce 4 absolute smashes). The Stronger era has seemed to me to be almost on par with the BA era (in terms of Kelly's success), and I see no reason why what happened with BA cannot also happen with Stronger.
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Post by bigb0882 on Apr 14, 2012 15:13:16 GMT -5
I know we are getting into a lot of speculations but it also could keep momentum through the Grammy's if she gets nominations and wins something. That's a huge what-if but it is possible.
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Post by Keelzit on Apr 14, 2012 20:19:32 GMT -5
I don't see a big hit with this. It sounds kind of dated but I hope I'm proven wrong. As long as it helps the album pass the million mark I'll call it a success.
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Post by robertfaith on Apr 14, 2012 21:58:03 GMT -5
I don't think we can judge how big a hit it will be. Stronger beat everyone's expectations. What Kelly provides is something different from everything played at radio right now. This is defo another Hot AC no. 1 and if this will definitely aid pushing the album above 1M and become Kelly's 1st album since Breakaway to do so. Once you put out one album that people don't gravitate to and doesn't sell well its difficult to gain people back to buying your album. This would be a great achievement.
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Post by clem on Apr 14, 2012 23:14:17 GMT -5
Stronger beat everyone's expectations. Not really. Pretty sure a bunch of us saw the inevitability of it smashing.
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Post by Grün on Apr 15, 2012 0:13:28 GMT -5
Yep it is a wise decision not to release another single. I mean when you have multi-number one smash, there is no hope for the artist or the single. This whole era is sh####t. How can we ever even smile again????!!!!!!!!! Lol stop overreacting, the dang song isnt even out yet and people are preparing for the worst.
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Post by Kavla on Apr 15, 2012 4:34:12 GMT -5
My predictions: #1 HAC top 3 CHR POP top 10 AC top 10 Hot 100
It will be very interesting to see Dark Side's digital sales. It could perform similar to MrKIA and AG (really mediocre digital sales, despite the big radio support) or similar to Stronger (sales that took off immediately -the Toyota commercial certainly played an important part though-). Kelly Clarkson struggled with inability to really move digital singles (MLWSWY, IDNHU and AG) but has shown improvement with Stronger which should end up a little over 4 million when all is said and done. Will DS continue what Stronger did, proving that Stronger changed Kelly's digital power, or will it be a AG part 2 disappointment?
I am going to hope that DS will skyrocket to the top 10 on itunes before the song even has 20 million AI on radio.
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Post by themagic on Apr 15, 2012 6:14:03 GMT -5
Yep it is a wise decision not to release another single. I mean when you have multi-number one smash, there is no hope for the artist or the single. This whole era is sh####t. How can we ever even smile again????!!!!!!!!! Lol stop overreacting, the dang song isnt even out yet and people are preparing for the worst. Same reactions towards Mr. Know It All & Stronger
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Post by Jay on Apr 15, 2012 6:30:53 GMT -5
Stronger beat everyone's expectations. Not really. Pretty sure a bunch of us saw the inevitability of it smashing. There were a handful of us, including me, but it still exceeded A LOT of people's expectations. And many only seemed to jump on board once it started smashing and acted like they knew it all along. "Dark Side" sounds just as obvious of a smash to me, but there appears to be even more naysayers this time.
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Post by Bluesy on Apr 15, 2012 10:57:34 GMT -5
I don't think we can judge how big a hit it will be. Stronger beat everyone's expectations. Actually, almost everyone who commented here on Pulse predicted that Stronger (WDKY) would be a huge smash. They were right. Opinions about Dark Side are a bit more mixed, but the consensus is that it will be a hit also. I hope the consensus is right.
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Post by Marv on Apr 15, 2012 11:38:31 GMT -5
Stronger' had multi-format' megasmash' written all over it from the instant it hit radio
It's most definitely on track to be the multi-format godzilla that 'Rolling In The Deep' was last year.
And boy does she deserve it; great for her.
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Post by kmbgs on Apr 15, 2012 14:28:23 GMT -5
Stronger beat my expectations. It was definitely a hit to my ears when I first heard it, but I honestly never would have expected it to hit #1 pretty much across the board (and then stay high up as long as it has).
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Post by nightshade on Apr 15, 2012 15:15:30 GMT -5
I don't think we can judge how big a hit it will be. Stronger beat everyone's expectations. Actually, almost everyone who commented here on Pulse predicted that Stronger (WDKY) would be a huge smash. They were right. Opinions about Dark Side are a bit more mixed, but the consensus is that it will be a hit also. I hope the consensus is right. Not really. There were a ton of people who doubted its success and then some who did see it smashing didn't think it'd go top 3/5.
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Post by pce2b on Apr 16, 2012 14:03:48 GMT -5
So looks like June 3rd release date. Later than I was expecting, even for this team. I'm sure there is a good reason though!
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 16, 2012 14:31:55 GMT -5
While the US date may match, the June 3rd date was for the UK. It wouldn't surprise me to see that a bit later than the US date, so she can do some promo here and then get over to the UK by June to do promo as the song goes to adds.
That's sort of the latest the song should go for adds, but I can see Stronger lingering around long enough to have that make sense. Also, it could give a chance for Dark Side to build up sales wise if they still utilize May (Idol, Billboard Music Awards) to promote it. If that's the case, radio will start spinning this before the adds date while not cutting off Stronger's run in the slightest.
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Post by KMJ1 on Apr 16, 2012 14:38:38 GMT -5
as i think i said,I think this will end up somewhere between MKIA and WDKY. Not as instant as WDKY but not as slow grower as MKIA. Im saying that the minimum because ANY song after WDKY has major momentum going for it DS seems to have more fans than MKIA and a message many should connect with. Regardless, I just wish theyd get this out hard mid May at the latest (still a MONTH away). If its early June, thats a bit too long :/
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Post by liberalmusiclover on Apr 16, 2012 15:09:34 GMT -5
I always saw Stronger smashing, and as for this I can't see it being as big as Stronger, but it is a great followup single.
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Post by bb on Apr 16, 2012 15:27:41 GMT -5
as i think i said,I think this will end up somewhere between MKIA and WDKY. Not as instant as WDKY but not as slow grower as MKIA. Im saying that the minimum because ANY song after WDKY has major momentum going for it DS seems to have more fans than MKIA and a message many should connect with. Regardless, I just wish theyd get this out hard mid May at the latest (still a MONTH away). If its early June, thats a bit too long :/ Really? I can't think of better timing, to be honest with you. The charts are crowded nowadays, with Gotye and fun. drawing in huge radio support, along with Rihanna gearing up for "Where Have You Been", Adele with "Rumor Has It", as well as some other songs ("What Makes You Beautiful", "Call Me Maybe", "Boyfriend"). "Stronger" is still #4 on Top 40 radio and has 150 million audience impressions--- it's not dead, it's beginning to die, but slowly. Giving it an extra month will give "Stronger" some nice longevity and allows Kelly to build on early promotion (American Idol finale, Billboard Music Awards, and her exposure on Duets for example) to build up excitement, just like she did with "Stronger". I think it gives "Dark Side" a great shot at being a summer smash/hit and any earlier would kill "Stronger" off while it's still raking in +100k a week.
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Post by KMJ1 on Apr 16, 2012 15:29:41 GMT -5
^ good points. My biggest concern is album sales staying stable. Im not liking where shes at on Hits now with 56% in :O
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Post by Envoirment on Apr 16, 2012 15:33:59 GMT -5
^ good points. My biggest concern is album sales staying stable. Im not liking where shes at on Hits now with 56% in :O That 56% means 56% of retailers have given in info, not 56% of its sales.
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Post by josh on Apr 16, 2012 15:35:57 GMT -5
For HITS, though, 56% in doesn't mean double the sales to get it's outcome. It's not that simple, so you can't say anything much with just that info. I'm sure Stronger will climb way up like it's been the past few months.
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Post by KMJ1 on Apr 16, 2012 15:40:43 GMT -5
i hear u becuase I think last week w/ around 50% in she was MUCH lower than came back strong in the last 40%. All Im hoping for is a minimal drop where she ends up no lower than say 15k-20k for the week
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Post by Envoirment on Apr 16, 2012 15:43:38 GMT -5
i hear u becuase I think last week w/ around 50% in she was MUCH lower than came back strong in the last 40%. All Im hoping for is a minimal drop where she ends up no lower than say 15k-20k for the week I don't think you should worry too much, it will likely keep selling 10k+ for a few more weeks. With "Stronger (WDKY)" still doing well and the possiblity of "Mr Know It All" becoming a country hit, the album should do well until "Dark Side" is released.
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Post by neally on Apr 16, 2012 15:44:57 GMT -5
i hear u becuase I think last week w/ around 50% in she was MUCH lower than came back strong in the last 40%. All Im hoping for is a minimal drop where she ends up no lower than say 15k-20k for the week I don't think you should worry too much, it will likely keep selling 10k+ for a few more weeks. With "Stronger (WDKY)" still doing well and the possiblity of "Mr Know It All" becoming a country hit, the album should do well until "Dark Side" is released. Agreed, as well as the airing of 'Duets' beginning May 24.
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Post by josh on Apr 16, 2012 15:47:38 GMT -5
Yeah, with HITS, I think a lot of the last stores to put in their numbers are large chains, so album numbers can go way up in the last half.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 16, 2012 15:54:07 GMT -5
Does anyone remember a long time ago when Kelly (or maybe a label person?) said this project would be about longevity? That makes sense to me now that I see their strategy in play. Stronger was obviously the smash hit, but they released MKIA and just let it sit for months upon months. Then, it is normal to fire out singles non-stop, but we have basically a two month wait here between Stronger peaking and the third single being released. It is definitely a focus on longevity and I think it also shows confidence in the music. Week to week the album may not sell super impressive numbers, but I am starting to have the feeling that when January 2013 rolls along Kelly will have had a solid holiday season, a solid year, and will be (slow and steady) well past the platinum sales mark.
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Post by KMJ1 on Apr 16, 2012 16:07:37 GMT -5
^ im with u. They clearly want to (and have so far successfully) been making this the NON AIEW/front loaded scnerio. All they need to do is keep doing what theyre doing very well (I just wonder if the 'they' are a totally different team/management than w/ AIEW). Seems possible based on the the longevity, constant promotion, and the album selling steady enough several months later. theres DEF much better focus and direction w. this album that AIEW. She and her team are creating the 'need' for new singles (the old fashioned, effective way) vs. throwing around endless singles and oversaturing the market like Rihanna just did. She may do it before- but if shes close to 1 million, once the holiday season kicks in, if the album pumps out at least 2 more hit singles, this is def. surpassing 1 million.
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