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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 26, 2012 3:33:38 GMT -5
^ Someone in the Hot 100 thread is predicting this to be around 38-39 this week. KELLY CLARKSON's "Dark Side" up 57-54 with a bullet on the Hot 100, while "Stronger" is down just one place, 30-31. @idolsnowfail :'(
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 26, 2012 5:21:34 GMT -5
28 22 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2571 2109 462 15.507
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Post by KMJ1 on Jul 26, 2012 9:16:28 GMT -5
thats what sucks is the streaming factor. Based on its sales and airplay it should DEF be in or MUCH closer to the damn top 40 by now :./ Not saying this song is looking like it has very bright chart run in its future lol, but at least if it hit the damn top 40 (which it SHOULD under normal circumstances) Id freakin be satisfied at this point.
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Jul 26, 2012 9:33:24 GMT -5
Other than youtube, what are other sites for streaming? I wish Billboard would stop changing their rules.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 26, 2012 9:36:58 GMT -5
Other than youtube, what are other sites for streaming? I wish Billboard would stop changing their rules. YouTube doesn't count unless it's through VEVO or an official label/artist video. Spotify is the biggest. Rhapsody, MOG, Slacker, Muve, and Rdio are all tracked as well. Billboard is looking into Pandora and Last.fm
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Post by neally on Jul 26, 2012 19:44:15 GMT -5
iTunes USA update #33
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Post by KMJ1 on Jul 27, 2012 1:09:43 GMT -5
based on its airplay and sales ranking this really should be in the BB Top 40 now
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 1:12:56 GMT -5
based on its airplay and sales ranking this really should be in the BB Top 40 now That just means the fans gotta get the streaming up. Which means, play it on Spotify & watch the music video on her Vevo account at least once a day
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 1:17:54 GMT -5
BTW, this reached #32 on iTunes earlier and moved from #4 to #3 on the Dance chart.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2012 5:16:39 GMT -5
28 21 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2619 2196 423 15.508
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 5:45:39 GMT -5
28 21 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2619 2196 423 15.508 +48 Spins -39 Bullet +0.001 Audience We'll be top 20 tomorrow. 19 20 GYM CLASS HEROES The Fighter f/Ryan Tedder 2622 4303 -1681 16.460 -199 spins
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Post by hitseeker. on Jul 27, 2012 5:47:36 GMT -5
Those AI gains tho...
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 5:50:37 GMT -5
Hopefully the weekend countdowns can get us into the top 25 on itunes/top 20 by the end of the week, and help the AI pick up a little. Then maybe we can start seeing healthy updates again.
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Post by KMJ1 on Jul 27, 2012 9:55:51 GMT -5
i know this song just continues floating around in no mans land lol. ???
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Post by neally on Jul 27, 2012 14:34:36 GMT -5
Hopefully the weekend countdowns can get us into the top 25 on itunes/top 20 by the end of the week, and help the AI pick up a little. Then maybe we can start seeing healthy updates again. I am also concerned about the very small AI gains this past week but am surprised that it has continued to rise on iTunes at #31 now with no additional promotion outside of it's radio airplay. I have to believe it will hit a wall until it picks up AI. Thoughts ?
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 27, 2012 14:40:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to expect of its iTunes performance beyond what we've seen already: it will probably drop a few spots this weekend as the more party-friendly songs rise ("Stronger" always gets a Friday and Saturday night boost), but then it will bounce back after the afternoon countdowns and whatever VH1 does on Sundays that seems to help. It will probably be right where it is now come Monday morning, give or take a spot. Then what happens on radio next week will help determine whether it climbs into the 20s or hovers around the mid-30s.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jul 27, 2012 15:17:17 GMT -5
Hopefully the weekend countdowns can get us into the top 25 on itunes/top 20 by the end of the week, and help the AI pick up a little. Then maybe we can start seeing healthy updates again. I am also concerned about the very small AI gains this past week but am surprised that it has continued to rise on iTunes at #31 now with no additional promotion outside of it's radio airplay. I have to believe it will hit a wall until it picks up AI. Thoughts ? I think you're right, this does look to be headed into another brick wall shortly. These +50 (and shrinking) spin gains and and small AI gains won't cut it for too much longer now that it'll be going into the top 20 tomorrow. I still have plenty of faith in this, but things need to change soon or else I fear it'll just get stuck again and won't go anywhere. The rise in position on iTunes, however, is very promising. It's unfortunate Kelly hasn't done any promo, it could really benefit from just one performance on TV somewhere.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 15:24:56 GMT -5
Hopefully the weekend countdowns can get us into the top 25 on itunes/top 20 by the end of the week, and help the AI pick up a little. Then maybe we can start seeing healthy updates again. I am also concerned about the very small AI gains this past week but am surprised that it has continued to rise on iTunes at #31 now with no additional promotion outside of it's radio airplay. I have to believe it will hit a wall until it picks up AI. Thoughts ? Definitely. Which is why I'm hoping bigger stations will start picking up their spin count once the reaches top 25 on iTunes. What's happening, the fact that it's rising on iTunes while gaining so little AI, is that people have to hear it repeatedly before they decide to buy it. That explains the delay between it's AI gains and iTunes gain. This song is the true definition of a "grower". So hopefully radio will pick up on this and it'll just take a little while longer before we start seeing healthier radio updates.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 15:27:12 GMT -5
I am also concerned about the very small AI gains this past week but am surprised that it has continued to rise on iTunes at #31 now with no additional promotion outside of it's radio airplay. I have to believe it will hit a wall until it picks up AI. Thoughts ? I think you're right, this does look to be headed into another brick wall shortly. These +50 (and shrinking) spin gains and and small AI gains won't cut it for too much longer now that it'll be going into the top 20 tomorrow. I still have plenty of faith in this, but things need to change soon or else I fear it'll just get stuck again and won't go anywhere. The rise in position on iTunes, however, is very promising. It's unfortunate Kelly hasn't done any promo, it could really benefit from just one performance on TV somewhere. At this point, i think doing a few radio station visits is the best thing. Maybe get a radio deal that ties in with free tickets to the tour? The problem isn't getting people to buy this, it's getting radio to play it.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 27, 2012 15:29:04 GMT -5
KIIS FM is already doing that. Funny though, they never added the song LOL.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 15:31:59 GMT -5
KIIS FM is already doing that. Funny though, they never added the song LOL. A few Jersey stations were doing that too, whenever they'd play DS, you'd have to call Not sure if they're still doing it though. On a related note, let's look at Stronger's AI update for today... 17. KELLY CLARKSON - Stronger (What Doesn't Kill ...: 64.010 (+0.763) KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 34.934 (+ 0.175)
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 27, 2012 16:16:29 GMT -5
As with iTunes, I've noticed that "Stronger" gets better updates on Fridays and Saturdays, as well. It's still a more go-to weekend/party song, for obvious reasons. Until Dark Side really picks up steam, I think this will remain a pattern.
I don't want Dark Side to suffer, but I'm pleased Stronger hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. It has had great longevity and that will help its placement on year-end charts and overall sales.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 27, 2012 16:17:05 GMT -5
#30 on iTunes now.
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Post by neally on Jul 27, 2012 17:03:49 GMT -5
Not to be a broken record, but I find it's iTunes placement relatively high to it's airplay to be rather interesting. I know that as of this week's Billboard charts, 'Dark Side' is not even in the top 40 radio songs (based on AI), yet is managing to pull these kind of sales. This usually speaks well to a song's connectivity to the general public, which is why I can not wait to see it's sales performance if/when it gains significant AI.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 27, 2012 17:09:28 GMT -5
Not to be a broken record, but I find it's iTunes placement relatively high to it's airplay to be rather interesting. I know that as of this week's Billboard charts, 'Dark Side' is not even in the top 40 radio songs (based on AI), yet is managing to pull these kind of sales. This usually speaks well to a song's connectivity to the general public, which is why I can not wait to see it's sales performance if/when it gains significant AI. This is exactly what happened to Already Gone, as well--I think its iTunes placement was even higher. Though that underscores the importance of a performance at some point, because Already Gone was never able to crack the top 10 on iTunes and that hurt its overall sales and peak position on the Hot 100.
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Post by neally on Jul 27, 2012 22:47:41 GMT -5
Not to be a broken record, but I find it's iTunes placement relatively high to it's airplay to be rather interesting. I know that as of this week's Billboard charts, 'Dark Side' is not even in the top 40 radio songs (based on AI), yet is managing to pull these kind of sales. This usually speaks well to a song's connectivity to the general public, which is why I can not wait to see it's sales performance if/when it gains significant AI. This is exactly what happened to Already Gone, as well--I think its iTunes placement was even higher. Though that underscores the importance of a performance at some point, because Already Gone was never able to crack the top 10 on iTunes and that hurt its overall sales and peak position on the Hot 100. It seems that with the summer lull and her touring, there will be little opportunity to perform this song on national television, unless she manages to squeeze in a visit to Ellen or one of the late night variety shows. It seems that the next big TV event are the MTV VMAs, which are just under 6 weeks away (6 September 2012) at Staples Center. Does anyone know when the video nominations will be announced ? Unless she receives a nomination, it would be highly unlikely that she will be granted a performance spot. Further, if she were to perform there, nearly 6 weeks from now, 'Dark Side' may have already peaked. I would imagine that 2012's big new artists (Carly Rae Jepsen, fun., Gotye) and new era artists (Pink, Mariah Carey, Killers, Christina Aguilera, No Doubt, Green Day, Taylor Swift) will perform, not to mention the heavily nominated artists (Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Maroon 5, Katy Perry, etc.) which makes for an already extremely crowded field of performers. Regardless, there is no question that 'Dark Side' has prevented a significant drop in sales of 'Stronger' (the record) as it has remained consistently in the 40s-50s over the past month, presumably from this single's performance. I would think that Sony/RCA is keeping it's eye on this and calculating the benefit of a promotional spot to help push sales of the record before moving on to single #4. I would appreciate further thoughts on the matter.ETA: As I write this, I continue to be amazed at it's performance without significant airplay movement and may have to eat my words as 'Dark Side' is now in the 20s, at #28 on iTunes USA (up 5 spots in the past 24 hours). I would love for 'Dark Side' to rise into the top 20 on iTunes, thereby forcing radio to spin the song more heavily, much like fun.'s 'Some Nights'. I actually don't mind it's slow performance as long as it continues to be the underdog/"little engine that could" and extends the life of this era. dbhmr, it is quite eerie how similar this single's situation is to that of 'Already Gone'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2012 0:31:12 GMT -5
I really wish they could somehow fit in a night show/morning show or something for her to perform it on! That could really give it a nice push now that it has been moving.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 28, 2012 5:19:42 GMT -5
27 20 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2647 2272 375 15.574
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Post by hitseeker. on Jul 28, 2012 6:33:37 GMT -5
Top20!
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Jul 28, 2012 8:40:10 GMT -5
Already Gone is considered similar to Halo and likely struggled early on because of the similarities to Halo. Dark Side has nothing working against it, and came off a bigger hit than Already Gone did. I'd argue the comparisons are a little unfair.
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