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Post by Grün on Jul 28, 2012 10:16:31 GMT -5
Already Gone is considered similar to Halo and likely struggled early on because of the similarities to Halo. Dark Side has nothing working against it, and came off a bigger hit than Already Gone did. I'd argue the comparisons are a little unfair. No one is saying they are the same, but they are having a freaky similar run reasons aside.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Jul 28, 2012 12:44:58 GMT -5
"Already Gone" sounded like a classic from the beginning. "Dark Side" sounded like a single.
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Post by Youknowit on Jul 28, 2012 13:14:26 GMT -5
I really don't think this is coming to an end. It got 12 adds last week and this is doing very well on iTunes the past week (currently # 28). I hope it starts to have a second wind soon!
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Post by Grün on Jul 28, 2012 15:48:05 GMT -5
I hope sales pick up soon as everyone said because radio does look at Itunes sales.
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Post by bigb0882 on Jul 28, 2012 23:16:08 GMT -5
What do you mean? It has been rising on iTunes steadily. You just want it to fly to #1 over night?
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Post by Youknowit on Jul 29, 2012 0:39:06 GMT -5
I hope sales pick up soon as everyone said because radio does look at Itunes sales. Sales have been increasing everyday, there's no need to worry.
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Post by Grün on Jul 29, 2012 1:26:23 GMT -5
I hope sales pick up soon as everyone said because radio does look at Itunes sales. Sales have been increasing everyday, there's no need to worry. I know I just like seeing her in the top ten . Still it is chugging along, but I guess I just want it to explode sooner. Stronger spoiled me with its super fast run.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 29, 2012 8:21:19 GMT -5
21 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2656 321 15.627 + 9 spins -54 bullet +0.053 AI Unless thing pick up a lot on radio soon, #20 may be our peak on pop. We're just one spin behind #20 but they're gaining faster than us. #19 is about 350 spins away and #18 is about 850 spins away. By time we pass the few songs that are falling down, other songs will almost definitely have passed us.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 29, 2012 8:42:25 GMT -5
Kelly isn't promo'ing this song. Kind of like it's been abandoned or something. Shrug.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 29, 2012 8:49:14 GMT -5
Yeah has Kelly done any TV performances to promote Dark Side? It seems like the song is out there to climb the chart on its own.
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Post by bb on Jul 29, 2012 8:54:37 GMT -5
I think it will keep moving with hopefully some more adds this week but if something isn't done fast-- a radio deal, some promotion on TV or at the very least on a radio talk show-- it will start to stall (like it is at the moment) and by then will have been passed by.
If that is the case; if Kelly really is too busy with the tour and RCA/Narvel has no motivation to pursue some promotional avenues, then I really hope a fourth single is being tested and prepared for release sooner rather than later.
But I still have hope for "Dark Side"!
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Post by neally on Jul 29, 2012 9:05:36 GMT -5
iTunes USA: #27
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Post by Keelzit on Jul 29, 2012 9:07:29 GMT -5
21 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 2656 321 15.627 + 9 spins -54 bullet +0.053 AI Unless thing pick up a lot on radio soon, #20 may be our peak on pop. We're just one spin behind #20 but they're gaining faster than us. #19 is about 350 spins away and #18 is about 850 spins away. By time we pass the few songs that are falling down, other songs will almost definitely have passed us. Is that 'we' necessary? It makes me feel like I have no life outside this forum. I'm sure this will rebound. iTunes is looking good for the amount of airplay it has.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 29, 2012 9:11:24 GMT -5
Not surprised at the low spins--wasn't last Sunday when she got 100+ due to the panel changes? With the rolling effect this was never going to be a good day unless the song had started really taking off.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 29, 2012 10:51:58 GMT -5
People should not be blaming its radio performance on "lack of promo" because promotion does not necessarily translate to radio success ever. If anything iTunes placement does and this has been doing really well there. Also, Kelly's on tour do we expect her to be doing a promo trail for this while she's on tour? I'm certainly not. This is probably just a fluke update so I'm not really worrying just yet.
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Post by Peterawr on Jul 29, 2012 10:55:29 GMT -5
Yea, we can't worry about every single update that isn't amazing. A few weeks ago everyone was nearly calling it quits and now this song is nearly top 20. I doubt RCA has totally given up on this, but at the same time it's hard to do promo right now... for one, there's NOTHING for her to do that will reach a large audience, and second she's touring like a beast so there's just not much time.
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Post by Illusions on Jul 29, 2012 11:52:58 GMT -5
I still think this will start to pick up in mid-August and will peak in September.
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Post by bigb0882 on Jul 29, 2012 12:32:37 GMT -5
I still think this will start to pick up in mid-August and will peak in September. Absolutely
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Post by slayZ on Jul 29, 2012 12:49:09 GMT -5
I still think this will start to pick up in mid-August and will peak in September. Honestly, this is hurting the album more than it is helping it. One more month of this just "floating around" and only getting ahead because of songs dropping or because of songs going recurrent is only going to cause for the album sales to keep dropping. There isn't really much life left to this on radio, and while its iTunes performance is quite interesting for a song that has so little AI, I doubt its digital sales are suddenly going to just soar for this to crack platinum. Not that RCA is suddenly going to send another song for adds in 2 weeks, but an actual hit now that summer is almost over and the fourth quarter is about to begin could really, REALLY benefit sales. It's all about playing their cards right. The sooner this is over, the sooner they'll send a new song to radio and the sooner it can become a hit, which will translate into sales. The album is most likely still riding WDKY's success.
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Post by neally on Jul 29, 2012 12:54:45 GMT -5
I still think this will start to pick up in mid-August and will peak in September. Honestly, this is hurting the album more than it is helping it. One more month of this just "floating around" and only getting ahead because of songs dropping or because of songs going recurrent is only going to cause for the album sales to keep dropping. There isn't really much life left to this on radio, and while its iTunes performance is quite interesting for a song that has so little AI, I doubt its digital sales are suddenly going to just soar for this to crack platinum. Not that RCA is suddenly going to send another song for adds in 2 weeks, but an actual hit now that summer is almost over and the fourth quarter is about to begin could really, REALLY benefit sales. It's all about playing their cards right. The sooner this is over, the sooner they'll send a new song to radio and the sooner it can become a hit, which will translate into sales. The album is most likely still riding WDKY's success. I disagree with most of this post. -I think this song will easily break the 1 million mark -the fourth quarter is not "about the begin" since it starts October 1, no ? -there is no guarantee that single #4 will fare any better, since all of the potential remaining singles choices ('Forgive', 'War', 'Love', 'Down', 'Hello') are not guaranteed hits -Why would RCA suddenly drop 'Dark Side' when it is almost in the top 25 of iTunes USA with such little AI ? To me, it would make sense to perform a risk analysis of whether the cost of a promotional strategy of this song would <<< financial benefit from the song and the album
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Post by slayZ on Jul 29, 2012 13:14:49 GMT -5
Honestly, this is hurting the album more than it is helping it. One more month of this just "floating around" and only getting ahead because of songs dropping or because of songs going recurrent is only going to cause for the album sales to keep dropping. There isn't really much life left to this on radio, and while its iTunes performance is quite interesting for a song that has so little AI, I doubt its digital sales are suddenly going to just soar for this to crack platinum. Not that RCA is suddenly going to send another song for adds in 2 weeks, but an actual hit now that summer is almost over and the fourth quarter is about to begin could really, REALLY benefit sales. It's all about playing their cards right. The sooner this is over, the sooner they'll send a new song to radio and the sooner it can become a hit, which will translate into sales. The album is most likely still riding WDKY's success. I disagree with most of this post. -I think this song will easily break the 1 million mark -the fourth quarter is not "about the begin" since it starts October 1, no ? -there is no guarantee that single #4 will fare any better, since all of the potential remaining singles choices ('Forgive', 'War', 'Love', 'Down', 'Hello') are not guaranteed hits -Why would RCA suddenly drop 'Dark Side' when it is almost in the top 25 of iTunes USA with such little AI ? To me, it would make sense to perform a risk analysis of whether the cost of a promotional strategy of this song would < financial benefit from the song and the album My main point is that Dark Side is hurting the album more than it is helping it, which is accurate. In the end, the label cares more about the album more than they care about one song. There is no guarantee that the following single will fare any better, that is true, but it's not like this is exactly smashing, like I said, its placing on radio right now has been pretty much determined by its ability to just float around long enough to replace songs that went recurrent or songs that were falling ahead. How much time do you think this needs to "connect" on radio enough to actually start selling the CD? There's only so much WDKY can do. And July is almost over. Like I said, RCA isn't going to just send another song for adds in 2 weeks. Let's say the new single is released Mid sept, which is only (one month and two weeks away), my point is that BECAUSE the remaining songs aren't radio bait either (but certainly more radio friendly than DS), they need enough time to build an audience and start connecting. If a new song were to be sent to radio, it'll have enough time to do all of that and be big enough to have people purchase the CD when the holidays start happening. Fourth quarter is always a clusterf*ck, and Kelly needs a hit. Let the fourth single be it, have a strategy for it and go with it. It's better than just wait for this to "catch," and realize the album is already out of the top 100.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jul 29, 2012 15:28:09 GMT -5
I honestly don't think The War Is Over (which is what I'd want maybe not even next but just as a single in general) would be in the running from MKIA's run. :/ I think it'll be Forgive, Let Me Down for sure.
Dark Side has picked up before and did it's rising on itunes, I haven't lost faith in it from the bullet today or the past AI's. Besides, it's not like there's a Since U Been Gone on Stronger that'll totally bounce thing's back even if they were to rush it out. Let Dark Side run it's course and become one of her classics ala Already Gone.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 29, 2012 16:37:59 GMT -5
My main point is that Dark Side is hurting the album more than it is helping it, which is accurate. It's not really, though. Once Stronger was totally done and Dark Side was barely reaching the top 50 on pop, the album was selling (slightly) less and not in the top 100 on iTunes ever. Since Dark Side has picked up, sales have been swinging back and forth between 7k-10k, and the album has always been in the top 100 on iTunes. It's not rocketing the album upward, but it's not a huge single yet, and it's keeping the album fairly stable.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 29, 2012 16:47:02 GMT -5
An underperfoming single doesn't hurt album sales. The only things that hurt album sales are controversy. It's almost like there is no single. The album is selling from the previous singles. However, there are some people who are purchasing the album because of this song. An underperforming single still helps sell an album, even if it's a fairly small amount of help, that's still a few hundred to a thousand copies the single has helped the album receive.
Imagine if there was no single at all. The album would be much lower than where it's at now.
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Post by Lozzy on Jul 29, 2012 16:51:05 GMT -5
"Dark Side" is doing well ...
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 29, 2012 16:51:49 GMT -5
I get what Star is trying to say though. Once albums drop really low it can be hard to get them back up. Like, it is easier to spike sales of an album around the 30-40 mark than an album that is sitting at 180 being able to crawl back up to the top 20. There are ways around this of course, but typically labels don't like to let albums drop too far down during an active run for a cd. It seems my sales estimates for this potentially going 2X platinum were far off unless something for the fourth single blows up. Oh well-platinum is still good especially if you really only have one huge hit from the cd.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 29, 2012 16:58:53 GMT -5
This is probably just a fluke update so I'm not really worrying just yet. I'm hoping so, but the updates have been like this for the past week and a half. We'll see. And I'm hoping Sober is right about this peaking in August. then hopefully IFY can be released and promoted in the Fall, smash, and really push album sales up again in time for the holiday season.
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Post by bb on Jul 29, 2012 17:00:42 GMT -5
I really don't think it is time for a fourth single and "Dark Side" is doing well for the type of song it is-- I think a lot of the members on this board expected FROM THE BEGINNING for this song to be a grower. It will take some time-- it's going to be Top 20 on Pop Radio, it is top 30 on iTunes and it is exhibiting signs (consistent adds, consistent sales increases) of capturing the public and radio's interest. I'm not sure how long that will continue but the album isn't really being hurt by "Dark Side"'s slow rise.
And "I Forgive You", "Let Me Down", "You Love Me", "Hello" and "The War is Over" would probably have the same struggle regardless of when they were released because most of them are HAC-leaning songs (like others have said before). I don't think they are "certainly more radio friendly" than "Dark Side"-- I think Kelly/RCA picked the perfect third single and there's nothing on the album that is drastically more appealing to radio.
Once again, I think patience is necessary with a song like this and cross your fingers it continues down "Already Gone"'s path!
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Post by Peterawr on Jul 29, 2012 17:07:46 GMT -5
You guys. For the past couple of weeks, its updates have been good. Not amazing, but good. The last couple of DAYS there have been smaller updates. Still positive, but small. Calm the fuck down. Look back several pages in this thread and the conversation now is the exact repeat of it.
Once the song starts going negative, yea, then it's ok to worry. Or two full weeks of small updates, sure it's ok to worry. My god, I swear it's only been 2-3 days of small updates and people are flipping shit.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 29, 2012 17:18:36 GMT -5
Um we only got good updates for about a week. That's the same amount of time we got bad updates. So you can stop with the "Calm the f**k down" comments now.
I think people have good enough reason to be concerned. As Neally pointed out earlier, if this doesn't continue rising on radio, it's iTunes power will eventually give out. And as I've pointed out, if this doesn't pick up soon, it's pretty possible that we'll be stuck at #20 or below for the next couple of weeks.
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