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Post by pce2b on Aug 17, 2012 18:59:13 GMT -5
Maybe I missed the post - but pretty cool that we got another #1 out of this song over on BB dance songs.
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Post by james on Aug 17, 2012 21:40:24 GMT -5
This single will probably go down as the biggest flop in Kelly's career since the Thankful era :(
Even Low probably outperformed this when you consider it's international success.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Aug 17, 2012 21:45:27 GMT -5
You can't be serious with a comment like that. Sober and All I Ever Wanted all performed significantly worse than this, do you not look at her chart and sales statistics? It's one of the biggest disappointments since it's coming off of practically her biggest hit ever, but it is not the biggest flop since the Thankful era. Please.
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Post by Mike on Aug 17, 2012 21:50:54 GMT -5
Not really.
"Low" only charted in three countries outside of the U.S.
The singles "Sober" & "All I Ever Wanted" also fared much worse than "Dark Side" has.
(Edit: I was checking facts and didn't see the post above mine. But glad we're on the same page)
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Post by james on Aug 17, 2012 21:58:17 GMT -5
You can't be serious with a comment like that. Sober and All I Ever Wanted all performed significantly worse than this, do you not look at her chart and sales statistics? It's one of the biggest disappointments since it's coming off of practically her biggest hit ever, but it is not the biggest flop since the Thankful era. Please. Sober & All I Ever Wanted were not internationally released, nor given promo or a video. Dark Side is a properly released single, with a video, promotion and a full scale international release. It has reached top 40 in ONE market - and bearly that. Never has a single from Kelly performed so badly in Australia, and it is the first single from Kelly which has had promotion and a video to not hit the top 40 in the US or Canada since the Thankful era. It's not the end all. But this single has performed very badly and almost put the era to a hault.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Aug 17, 2012 22:09:29 GMT -5
You can't be serious with a comment like that. Sober and All I Ever Wanted all performed significantly worse than this, do you not look at her chart and sales statistics? It's one of the biggest disappointments since it's coming off of practically her biggest hit ever, but it is not the biggest flop since the Thankful era. Please. Sober & All I Ever Wanted were not internationally released, nor given promo or a video. Dark Side is a properly released single, with a video, promotion and a full scale international release. It has reached top 40 in ONE market - and bearly that. Never has a single from Kelly performed so badly in Australia, and it is the first single from Kelly which has had promotion and a video to not hit the top 40 in the US or Canada. It's not the end all. But this single has performed very badly and almost put the era to a hault. Everything you just said is irrelevant. All of the aforementioned songs were singles, no matter how you try and argue it. AIEW and Sober may not have been given the best treatment from the label, but they were released and performed worse than Dark Side. It's also hard to tell just how much promo and a push Dark Side got from the label...and let's not act like Dark Side's $100 budget video did the song any favors during its run. Dark Side is a flop, but it did manage top 20 on CHR, top 10 on Hot AC, and #1 on the Billboard Dance chart (a ridiculous chart, I know). It'll end up getting close to Gold in sales in the end, which can't be said for the other two songs you mentioned. Much better than AIEW and Sober, bottom line. Sober did get promotion from Kelly's end, she sang it on several shows and events while promoting My December upon its release. Hell, it probably got more US television promo than Dark Side received. And lastly, while Sober wasn't internationally released, One Minute and Don't Waste Your Time both were in some countries, with the latter receiving a video. I don't know the statistics on the both of them, but I know they weren't hits, that's for sure.
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Post by james on Aug 17, 2012 22:26:01 GMT -5
Sober & All I Ever Wanted were not internationally released, nor given promo or a video. Dark Side is a properly released single, with a video, promotion and a full scale international release. It has reached top 40 in ONE market - and bearly that. Never has a single from Kelly performed so badly in Australia, and it is the first single from Kelly which has had promotion and a video to not hit the top 40 in the US or Canada. It's not the end all. But this single has performed very badly and almost put the era to a hault. Everything you just said is irrelevant. All of the aforementioned songs were singles, no matter how you try and argue it. AIEW and Sober may not have been given the best treatment from the label, but they were released and performed worse than Dark Side. It's also hard to tell just how much promo and a push Dark Side got from the label...and let's not act like Dark Side's $100 budget video did the song any favors during its run. Dark Side is a flop, but it did manage top 20 on CHR, top 10 on Hot AC, and #1 on the Billboard Dance chart (a ridiculous chart, I know). It'll end up getting close to Gold in sales in the end, which can't be said for the other two songs you mentioned. Much better than AIEW and Sober, bottom line. Sober did get promotion from Kelly's end, she sang it on several shows and events while promoting My December upon its release. Hell, it probably got more US television promo than Dark Side received. And lastly, while Sober wasn't internationally released, One Minute and Don't Waste Your Time both were in some countries, with the latter receiving a video. I don't know the statistics on the both of them, but I know they weren't hits, that's for sure. If you argue domestically, yes Dark Side has done OKAY (it still suprises me that it's holding up on itunes with it's airplay). But internationally Dark Side has pretty much killed the era. It just shows that the seasonality of the single release hasn't been a factor. The Dark Side video is shit, but really when was the last time Kelly gave us a good video...Never Again perhaps? Also One Minute peaked at #36 in Australia I definitely see it performing much better than MKIA, MKIA wishes it was as good as this. :'(
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Post by slamina on Aug 18, 2012 0:25:47 GMT -5
Reading the first five pages or so of this thread is quite saddening. The vast majority of Kelly fans were so sure this would be a big smash. Especially since it was following arguably Kelly's biggest hit, this song's performance was a big let down and disappointment. Even I, one of the few who doubted this song's hit potential, didn't foresee it quite possibly peaking at number 42 on the Hot 100. Oh well, it was an obvious misstep, but it's too late to change it now. Let's hope RCA sends out a fourth single and doesn't call it an era here. There's still some potential in LMD and IFY, I think.
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Post by Felicia on Aug 18, 2012 3:21:07 GMT -5
Ah so this is done on pop? It reminds me of Avril's 'Wish You Were Here', both songs are my absolute favorite singles from Kelly & Avril in recent years but they underperformed & failed to reach its potential as a big hit. :(
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 18, 2012 5:05:43 GMT -5
Sober did get promotion from Kelly's end, she sang it on several shows and events while promoting My December upon its release. Hell, it probably got more US television promo than Dark Side received. I hadn't even thought about that. You're absolutely right
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 18, 2012 5:13:51 GMT -5
Mixed messages. 23 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3148 3104 44 17.420 +15 Spins +22 Bullet -0.330 Audience
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 18, 2012 8:07:32 GMT -5
I am a fan of Sober but it stood no chance as a single in today's music industry. When Clive went public with his dislike of the album and it made news, no single stood any chance at that point. I also feel All I Ever Wanted does not fit in at all with today's music industry and should never have been a single. I'd definitely say Dark Side is more radio-friendly than both of those songs, but it's hard to compare songs with much different circumstances.
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Post by Grün on Aug 18, 2012 10:47:29 GMT -5
You can't compare Sober, All I Ever Wanted, and Darkside.
Sober was not even promoted other than Live Earth. Her whole album was panned and this is her most artistic single she has ever released. She had no video, so why would radio follow.
All I Ever Wanted was thrown to the wolves from the start. NO video no promo. I think it is because of AG spat that killed its chances.
Lastly Darkside, the outlier in the bunch. Darkside had add dates, a video(a video is still a video), months for it to linger, live preformances, and Kelly talking about it too everyone. I would say it is here biggest flop since the Thankful Era.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 19, 2012 0:21:29 GMT -5
Her "most artistic single"? What does that even mean?
DS had one televised performance, while it was a single, on the BB Music awards. VH1 Unplugged if you wanna count that even though it was before Stronger even had an adds date.
Sober had GMA Concerts, Leno, Early Show, Fuse, Live Earth & AOL Sessions.
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Post by Grün on Aug 19, 2012 1:07:13 GMT -5
Her "most artistic single"? What does that even mean? DS had one televised performance, while it was a single, on the BB Music awards. VH1 Unplugged if you wanna count that even though it was before Stronger even had an adds date. Sober had GMA Concerts, Leno, Early Show, Fuse, Live Earth & AOL Sessions. Sober is not meant to be a smash number one hit lol. It is pretty obvious. The song has no chorus and is very artistic. Radio normally doesn't want substance only a catchy beat and simple lyrics. Dark Side was preformed on Dancing with the Stars I think also. Dark Side was meant to be catchy and radio friendly. Also, it came off her biggest hit, while Sober came after an unpreforming single. I believe these factors make it a bigger flop.
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Post by james on Aug 19, 2012 1:42:42 GMT -5
Her "most artistic single"? What does that even mean? DS had one televised performance, while it was a single, on the BB Music awards. VH1 Unplugged if you wanna count that even though it was before Stronger even had an adds date. Sober had GMA Concerts, Leno, Early Show, Fuse, Live Earth & AOL Sessions. Sober is not meant to be a smash number one hit lol. It is pretty obvious. The song has no chorus and is very artistic. Radio normally doesn't want substance only a catchy beat and simple lyrics. Dark Side was preformed on Dancing with the Stars I think also. Dark Side was meant to be catchy and radio friendly. Also, it came off her biggest hit, while Sober came after an unpreforming single. I believe these factors make it a bigger flop. Never Again was also largely ignored by radio and Sober had no international release.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 19, 2012 2:01:30 GMT -5
If this song--top 10 on Hot AC, top 20 on pop, and another #1 to her tally--is her biggest flop since Thankful, she's in good shape.
This is her most disappointing single performance for me, though, because I think its lack of success is totally nonsensical. Oh well. She's a decade into her career and got a huge smash already. At this point, I want her singles to do well, but mostly I want her singles to be good songs, and this is. Not the result I wanted, but I'll take it.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 19, 2012 3:44:50 GMT -5
Sober is not meant to be a smash number one hit lol. It is pretty obvious. The song has no chorus and is very artistic. Radio normally doesn't want substance only a catchy beat and simple lyrics.None of that is relevant to the discussion at hand. It was. Mashed up as an afterthought with Stronger. "Sober" was still performed more. Also not relevant. What is relevant is that Dark Side got more radio support, will outsell AIEW and Sober combined, and actually managed to reach top 50 on the Hot 100 while the other two barely charted. Yes it may have underperformed relatively worse than those, given it's circumstances, but that doesn't make it a bigger flop than them considering it surpassed their success in every respect.
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 19, 2012 5:48:26 GMT -5
22 25 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3151 3117 34 17.235
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 19, 2012 6:41:42 GMT -5
I'm surprised The Trouble With Love Is is not being brought into this discussion. It had a music video and was part of a soundtrack.
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 19, 2012 12:33:44 GMT -5
I really don't get the point of comparing "Dark Side" to singles from nearly 10 years ago, 5 years ago etc. That's like saying "Talk That Talk" wasn't so much of an underperformer because "if It's Lovin' That You Want" had a similar Hot 100 peak 7 years before. Also, you have to factor how the digital singles market has grown in the past few years, how pop radio has changed its tastes in recent times etc.
Just take it as it is, "Dark Side" was a modest hit. End of
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 20, 2012 6:38:43 GMT -5
22 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3144 3119 25 16.823
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Post by bb on Aug 20, 2012 7:35:38 GMT -5
I've held on to this pipe dream of "Dark Side" finally turning around but for the past week the updates have been stagnant and at times negative-- I think its chance has past. I don't think RCA is going to jump on any new releases (unless this re-release is actually in the works?) but I'm still thrilled "Dark Side" got a chance.
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Post by hotdecember16 on Aug 20, 2012 8:07:12 GMT -5
I still believe DS can have a second win on Hot AC. Don't know about Pop. Maybe it's done. From KCE, New York Hot AC station 95.5 WPLJ has Stronger #1 but DS at #40 on their playlist Praying!
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 21, 2012 5:22:41 GMT -5
Are you coming or going?! 22 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3179 3129 50 16.825 +35 Spins +25 Bullet +0.002 Audience
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Post by bigb0882 on Aug 21, 2012 8:41:35 GMT -5
Lol the AI still sucks but an all positive day is nice to see again. Probably just a hiccup at this point, unfortunately.
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Post by KMJ1 on Aug 21, 2012 9:49:15 GMT -5
Are you coming or going?! 22 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3179 3129 50 16.825 +35 Spins +25 Bullet +0.002 Audience mess! lol. Regardless, im REALLY hoping (at this point) already it just somehow squeaks its way into the Top 40 on Billboard. Why do I have this feeling its going to maybe peak at 41 :/. Forget the day of the cut off but Im concerned it'll lose its bullet in this weeks Billboard but (again) somehow get to around 41 then start to fall. Hope the songs above it fall enough and below it dont climb enough just for one week so she cracks the top 40.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 10:21:33 GMT -5
I hope this is a sleeper hit. I also hope its not the end of the singles either...one more would be nice.
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Post by kylecburke on Aug 22, 2012 4:14:23 GMT -5
I don't see how this would be the last single...the album is still Top 100 on Billboard...it's still selling 6000 copies a week, this week it is expected to jump back in top 40 with 10000 copies, clearly people want the album so I think...Push it on sale and get ready to release a new single in September
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 22, 2012 5:28:31 GMT -5
I still think it's just treading water, but:
22 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3205 3125 80 16.633
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