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Post by kmbgs on Aug 23, 2012 20:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 21:11:11 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with the people in this thread that have stated that 'Dark Side' should have been released at a later date. I thought it would smash like crazy before it was chosen as a single, but I'm bad at predicting what can happen apparently. One thing I can say that went wrong with this song is the music video. 'Mr. Know It All' and 'What Doesn't Kill You' both had pretty good videos. 'Mr. Know It All' was clever with the wall of doubt, which was pretty cool. 'What Doesn't Kill You' had Kelly dancing, which was a sight to behold. Now, with 'Dark Side', it just seemed like Kelly just picked the worse director to make the cheesiest video so far this era. Now, I'm sure it's been said in this thread that videos don't really help a song out, but a great video could have done a little extra something for this song. With that said, a fall release would have probably worked better for this song. A feel of a song apparently decides when it should be played on the radio. I guess since it's a not a hot dance song for the summer, that's why it's not doing so well. I don't know, there could be many reasons why this isn't doing good. In the end, I'm glad it did become a single, and accomplished what it did, even if it isn't anything to get that excited about. I still love 'Dark Side', and think it's fantastic. In the end, my opinion matters more to me than what a whole lot of other people who listen to the radio on a daily basis, or not so daily, think. Hopefully, this is not the end of this era. I hope we get at least one more single out of this album, or a surprise EP later this year. I want to see Stronger do really well, and I think it would be too soon to just move on.
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Post by Rurry on Aug 23, 2012 21:23:30 GMT -5
This never really sounded like a smash hit to me, but I don't at all see why it struggled as much as it did. It's pretty catchy with a decent hook, it's relatable, it was following a huge hit...just strange. All of that should be at least enough for a top 15.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 23, 2012 21:25:09 GMT -5
I don't really think Dark Side is catchy...at all. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean that it's not. There's a post about a song not being catchy in basically every pop thread on Pulse. Not call me maybe
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Post by nick64 on Aug 23, 2012 22:21:46 GMT -5
Out of interest, considering it hung around so long, could anybody who follows that sort of thing more closely tell me if it's going to be abnormally high on the year-end chart for a song that barely scraped the top 20? Because it really seems to have been in the 20-35 range for so long that it should be higher than the other songs that peaked in a similar area this year. I'm a chart nerd, so I got this ;). And the answer is not really. It had the lowest spin peak of any Top 20 hit this year (3151). The next lowest was Eyes Open with 3908. For songs that peaked with similar spins, Heartbeat peaked with with 3256, Give Me All Your Luvin' peaked with 3154, Both of Us peaked with 3140, and Tongue Tied peaked with 2907. I believe Heartbeat took a while to peak (not positive), but it was an early hit this year, so much of its rise won't be accounted for. GMAYL charted for five weeks. Enough said. Both of Us peaked at around the same point in its run as this, give or take a week or two, so they should finish at close positions on the year end chart. Tongue Tied is in its 15th week, while DS is in its 10th, and they were pretty neck and neck for a while, so that should most likely end up higher than it. Overall, no, it probably won't be that much higher.
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Post by slayZ on Aug 23, 2012 22:27:49 GMT -5
My prediction - My predictions: Top 20 on CHR, possibly top 15. Top 20 on Hot 100 (#18?). Possibly top 15. Top 10 on Hot AC Top 5 on AC. 700k copies sold. Big support from z100. No adds from KIIS FM. Mild hit based on Stronger's massive success. Not a huge digital seller. I don't think this will be as big as most of you are expecting. At all.I mean, I guess I got it right with the exception of its peak and the support from Hot AC and AC. I figured it would at least do well there. I'm shocked it didn't. Off on the sales. Spot on the radio adds prediction.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Aug 23, 2012 22:44:47 GMT -5
I just hope her label will see the consistency of the album and release this 4th single (IFY) soon! Sadly, it appears that this song's run is over. They will surely try and get those 4th quarter sales by having a hit by the time those sales come around, it seems like the time to release would be within the next month or a little after so it's peaking around Xmas.
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 24, 2012 5:51:36 GMT -5
22 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3169 3133 36 16.095
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Post by bb on Aug 24, 2012 6:27:29 GMT -5
The advantages of having a brand new, fresh single in Q4 are substantial-- new excitement over the album, myriad promotional opportunities, and obviously more of an inclination for radio to put it on their playlists. I would be thrilled if "Dark Side" somehow stayed put until there were options for performances but I think it has peaked and is going to soon start to drop.
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 24, 2012 7:33:27 GMT -5
If Dark Side drops a lot on iTunes in the coming weeks, I assume we will get a fourth single sometime soon. If it doesn't drop too much I don't think RCA will release a single anytime soon. It's also possible we don't get a fourth single.
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 24, 2012 7:39:35 GMT -5
I agree. her signature 'sound' is pop/rock, like w/ Madonna it's pop/dance and Mariah pop/r&b etc etc...W/ Madonna and Mariah they've moved way off the chart the other away from the classic effective blend of the 'pop' factor. W/ Kelly she's just being too 'experimental' and virtually rebelling against releasing the 'sound' she does best which I dont get. I understand she's an artist and wants to try different/ non Breakaway sounds and toa degree it's worked (WDKY and MLWS) which are def. more dance/electro pop but enough already lol. It's been too long- she needs that power pop/rock catchy kick a*s song people love from her! I think it's that plus the fact they continue releasing awful/lackluster singles! Songs like IICHY and even DLMSY positively were better than the singles chosen on AIEW and w/ Stronger 'Let Me Down' I have NO doubt its the song people are craving from Kelly and would instantly revive interest. It's such a perfect follow up esp after such a sedative of song in Dark Side. Including the bonus tracks there are 5 Pop-Rock songs on the album. Kelly doesn't decide her singles. It's RCA that does that.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Aug 24, 2012 8:12:56 GMT -5
Yikes! I was hoping for some type of rebound, but I doubt it'll happen at this point. Looks like the best option is to gear up for single #4, unfortunately. :(
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Post by Rand.om Gay on Aug 24, 2012 9:34:56 GMT -5
Such Sturm + Drang. Regardless of its disappointing chart performance, I still think DS is one of the best - if not the best - single KC has ever released. Do I think that there were missed opportunities and miscalculations? Absolutely. Do I regret its selection as a single? Not for a second.
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Post by KMJ1 on Aug 24, 2012 9:38:00 GMT -5
I agree. her signature 'sound' is pop/rock, like w/ Madonna it's pop/dance and Mariah pop/r&b etc etc...W/ Madonna and Mariah they've moved way off the chart the other away from the classic effective blend of the 'pop' factor. W/ Kelly she's just being too 'experimental' and virtually rebelling against releasing the 'sound' she does best which I dont get. I understand she's an artist and wants to try different/ non Breakaway sounds and toa degree it's worked (WDKY and MLWS) which are def. more dance/electro pop but enough already lol. It's been too long- she needs that power pop/rock catchy kick a*s song people love from her! I think it's that plus the fact they continue releasing awful/lackluster singles! Songs like IICHY and even DLMSY positively were better than the singles chosen on AIEW and w/ Stronger 'Let Me Down' I have NO doubt its the song people are craving from Kelly and would instantly revive interest. It's such a perfect follow up esp after such a sedative of song in Dark Side. Including the bonus tracks there are 5 Pop-Rock songs on the album. Kelly doesn't decide her singles. It's RCA that does that. unless they told her to say it, which I doubt (because she seemed pretty sincere and passionate about it), she was 100% pro Dark Side getting released. I have a feeling though she's really wanting Let Me Down released but (if there's a 4th single) watch them release IFY or something way worse lol. I believe IICHY from AIEW (like endless others) was a smash or at least a decent hit in the making waiting and could've seriously revived AIEW but we know how that ended up :/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 9:40:13 GMT -5
^I'd believe Kelly would push for YLM over LMD for the forth single.
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 24, 2012 9:47:17 GMT -5
To be honest, I still don't see a good reason why this never really went anywhere. +1. Oh well.
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Post by Grün on Aug 24, 2012 9:49:07 GMT -5
First of all, no one is wrong or right. It's called opinion for a reason, you have yours and should respect others. I happen to find Dark Side extremely Adult Contemporary and don't see it working on pop radio, am I wrong for that? no, it's my opinion and even if you may not agree with it, you should respect it. On a lighter note, I Forgive You really is the safest choice next, because it's definitely pop friendly and the lyrics are definitely nothing too polarizing like IDNHU's. Completely agree. I think Dark Side is way too slow for our dance pop radio. It takes a whole minute to progress into the refrain. Pop should should be around 30-40 seconds. Thats why it would do well on adult radio. I don't think its the smash you guys want. I like Dark Side, but I dont get where everyone sees some song of immense depth. Not that I am saying I Forgive You is immensely mature. "Everybody's got a dark side, can you love me, can you love mine. Nobody picture perfect but we're worth it". I just feel like the song is awkward. It doesn't know if it is a ballad or a dance song. This is the not the peak of a great artist it is just as bad as I Forgive You's lyrics. " I forgive you, we were busy living a dream never noticed the noticed the glass ceiling falling on us, no shame, no blame, but the damage is done and I forgive you. As I have said countless times before. It is during summer and spring break. The lyrics are about love and forgiveness. It will connect with everyone. Also, I think people can relate to the song more. Lastly and the best reason. I Forgive You is the catchiest song that will keep her streak going. It is hard not to like.
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Post by Grün on Aug 24, 2012 9:50:44 GMT -5
First of all, no one is wrong or right. It's called opinion for a reason, you have yours and should respect others. I happen to find Dark Side extremely Adult Contemporary and don't see it working on pop radio, am I wrong for that? no, it's my opinion and even if you may not agree with it, you should respect it. On a lighter note, I Forgive You really is the safest choice next, because it's definitely pop friendly and the lyrics are definitely nothing too polarizing like IDNHU's. Completely agree. I think Dark Side is way too slow for our dance pop radio. It takes a whole minute to progress into the refrain. Pop should should be around 30-40 seconds. Thats why it would do well on adult radio. I don't think its the smash you guys want. I like Dark Side, but I dont get where everyone sees some song of immense depth. Not that I am saying I Forgive You is immensely mature. "Everybody's got a dark side, can you love me, can you love mine. Nobody picture perfect but we're worth it". I just feel like the song is awkward. It doesn't know if it is a ballad or a dance song. This is the not the peak of a great artist it is just as bad as I Forgive You's lyrics. " I forgive you, we were busy living a dream never noticed the noticed the glass ceiling falling on us, no shame, no blame, but the damage is done and I forgive you. As I have said countless times before. It is during summer and spring break. The lyrics are about love and forgiveness. It will connect with everyone. Also, I think people can relate to the song more. Lastly and the best reason. I Forgive You is the catchiest song that will keep her streak going. It is hard not to like. I was right, but not happily so.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 24, 2012 9:55:58 GMT -5
Kelly has always maintained that she and RCA have basically been on the same page this throughout this entire process, single selection and all. She did say it was their idea to go for MKIA first and Stronger second to go for album longevity (she had thought Stronger would go first), but that she agreed with the strategy. I imagine they were both excited about pushing Dark Side, doing a Kurstin 1-2 punch a la Max Martin/Dr. Luke with Breakaway, and not really anticipating it would do so poorly coming off Stronger (which isn't to say it's been a disaster of a release, just not nearly as successful as was expected).
Or, they've had plans for some kind of re-release/GH album/new album sooner than we all thought all along, and put out Dark Side because it was a fan favorite and still seemed like it would do pretty well (and if one of the upcoming new singles is a Darkchild track, that could explain why they weren't pressed to release "I Forgive You"). Lots of "ifs." As usual, we don't really know the inner workings of RCA or Kelly, so we're just left with guesses and opinions. But I do know that this will always be one of, if not my all-time, favorite singles of hers and its performance far and away the most surprising of her career. Still happy it's a part of her singles catalog.
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Post by Ace on Aug 24, 2012 10:01:34 GMT -5
Kelly has always maintained that she and RCA have basically been on the same page this throughout this entire process, single selection and all. She did say it was their idea to go for MKIA first and Stronger second to go for album longevity (she had thought Stronger would go first), but that she agreed with the strategy. I imagine they were both excited about pushing Dark Side, doing a Kurstin 1-2 punch a la Max Martin/Dr. Luke with Breakaway, and not really anticipating it would do so poorly coming off Stronger (which isn't to say it's been a disaster of a release, just not nearly as successful as was expected). Or, they've had plans for some kind of re-release/GH album/new album sooner than we all thought all along, and put out Dark Side because it was a fan favorite and still seemed like it would do pretty well (and if one of the upcoming new singles is a Darkchild track, that could explain why they weren't moved by weight or force in a certain direction or into a certain position to release "I Forgive You"). Lots of "ifs." As usual, we don't really know the inner workings of RCA or Kelly, so we're just left with guesses and opinions. But I do know that this will always be one of, if not my all-time, favorite singles of hers and its performance far and away the most surprising of her career. Still happy it's a part of her singles catalog. You're so smart/pretty/fun/iconic. :'(
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 24, 2012 10:01:49 GMT -5
My prediction - My predictions: Top 20 on CHR, possibly top 15. Top 20 on Hot 100 (#18?). Possibly top 15. Top 10 on Hot AC Top 5 on AC. 700k copies sold. Big support from z100. No adds from KIIS FM. Mild hit based on Stronger's massive success. Not a huge digital seller. I don't think this will be as big as most of you are expecting. At all.I mean, I guess I got it right with the exception of its peak and the support from Hot AC and AC. Actually the only things you were right about is it's CHR/HAC peak & it not being as big as some very general expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 16:58:43 GMT -5
Didn't it sell around 700k?
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Post by Jack on Aug 24, 2012 18:12:35 GMT -5
Kelly has always maintained that she and RCA have basically been on the same page this throughout this entire process, single selection and all. She did say it was their idea to go for MKIA first and Stronger second to go for album longevity (she had thought Stronger would go first), but that she agreed with the strategy. I imagine they were both excited about pushing Dark Side, doing a Kurstin 1-2 punch a la Max Martin/Dr. Luke with Breakaway, and not really anticipating it would do so poorly coming off Stronger (which isn't to say it's been a disaster of a release, just not nearly as successful as was expected). Or, they've had plans for some kind of re-release/GH album/new album sooner than we all thought all along, and put out Dark Side because it was a fan favorite and still seemed like it would do pretty well (and if one of the upcoming new singles is a Darkchild track, that could explain why they weren't moved by weight or force in a certain direction or into a certain position to release "I Forgive You"). Lots of "ifs." As usual, we don't really know the inner workings of RCA or Kelly, so we're just left with guesses and opinions. But I do know that this will always be one of, if not my all-time, favorite singles of hers and its performance far and away the most surprising of her career. Still happy it's a part of her singles catalog. You're so smart/pretty/fun/iconic. :'( I think you quoted the wrong person.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 24, 2012 18:30:38 GMT -5
Didn't it sell around 700k? It should eventually, but right now isn't it only at 400K?
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Post by robertfaith on Aug 24, 2012 18:48:45 GMT -5
With Kelly improving her chart performance over AIEW wouldn't it be a great time for a surprise new single for a RePackage? Christmas is only 4 months away push her way over 1M albums. Doubt it's something she would do though. Shame!! I don't believe any song has the single potential to go Top10 unfortunately.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Aug 25, 2012 23:51:25 GMT -5
I don't believe any song has the single potential to go Top10 unfortunately. I would bet money that you're wrong, but it's ok, cuz I FORGIVE YOU! :)
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Post by Youknowit on Aug 25, 2012 23:57:33 GMT -5
With Kelly improving her chart performance over AIEW wouldn't it be a great time for a surprise new single for a RePackage? Christmas is only 4 months away push her way over 1M albums. Doubt it's something she would do though. Shame!! I don't believe any song has the single potential to go Top10 unfortunately. In an interview, she said she has six new songs for Stronger so they just might be re-releasing in time for Christmas.
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 26, 2012 5:15:31 GMT -5
I don't even know where to begin. 23 23 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3204 3151 53 16.267 +42 Spins +39 Bullet +0.318 Audience
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 26, 2012 5:55:23 GMT -5
LMAO keep holding on DS, hang in there
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 26, 2012 6:42:54 GMT -5
With Kelly improving her chart performance over AIEW wouldn't it be a great time for a surprise new single for a RePackage? Christmas is only 4 months away push her way over 1M albums. Doubt it's something she would do though. Shame!! I don't believe any song has the single potential to go Top10 unfortunately. Top 10 on Pop or the Billboard charts?
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