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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 30, 2012 15:00:49 GMT -5
Now we gotta be on the lookout for those submission lists!
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Post by kylecburke on Sept 30, 2012 15:13:40 GMT -5
I feel like Kelly may only get one nomination this year in Pop Vocal Album...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 17:02:28 GMT -5
I feel like Kelly may only get one nomination this year in Pop Vocal Album... That'd be a damn shame. "Stronger" was too massive and too great of a smash to go unnoticed. I'm still thinking she'll get at least one general field nod, as well as a couple of Pop nods (Vocal Album, Solo Vocal Performance). Now we gotta be on the lookout for those submission lists! How long does it usually take before they pop up? If I remember correctly from year's past, it was only about a week or so before we found the links for all of 'em.
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Post by Mike on Sept 30, 2012 17:38:56 GMT -5
Here's the breakdown of when the submission lists leaked:
2011: October 25th 2010: October 16th 2009: September 27th (The eligibility period was through 9/1 instead of 9/30) 2008: October 16th
So anywhere between 2-3 weeks hopefully!
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 30, 2012 21:47:53 GMT -5
I think Kelly is in good shape for a Pop Solo Vocal nod for "Stronger". The Pop Album nod is 50/50, IMO. Bieber, M5 and Pink will probably get in and it's up in the air after that, IMO. Depends where Florence + The Machine, Lana Del Rey, Fiona Apple and fun. submit. Norah Jones is also there, as well as No Doubt.
Stronger COULD get a ROTY nod but I don't think it's a sure thing by any means.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 30, 2012 21:57:37 GMT -5
PRE-SUBMISSION LIST-PREDICTIONS
Album of the Year (can we just give it to 21 again?) 1 Babel by Mumford & Sons 2 channel ORANGE by Frank Ocean 3 Take Care by Drake 4 El Camino by The Black Keys 5 The Truth About Love by P!nk 6 Some Nights by fun. 7 Believe by Justin Bieber 8 Making Mirrors by Gotye 9 Mylo Xyloto by Coldplay 10 Tuskegee by Lionel Richie
Record of the Year 1 "Somebody That I Used To Know" by Gotye & Kimbra 2 "Set Fire To The Rain" by Adele 3 "We Are Young" by fun. & Janelle Monae 4 "Take Care" by Drake & Rihanna 5 "Lights" by Ellie Goulding 6 "Thinking Bout You" by Frank Ocean 7 "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)" by Kelly Clarkson 8 "I Will Wait" by Mumford & Sons 9 "Call Me Maybe" by Carly Rae Jepsen 10 "Lonely Boy" by The Black Keys
Song of the Year 1 "Somebody That I Used To Know" by Gotye & Kimbra 2 "We Are Young" by fun. & Janelle Monae 3 "Thinking Bout You" by Frank Ocean 4 "I Will Wait" by Mumford & Sons 5 "It Will Rain" by Bruno Mars 6 "Take Care" by Drake & Rihanna 7 "Wide Awake" by Katy Perry 8 "Call Me Maybe" by Carly Rae Jepsen 9 "Blown Away" by Carrie Underwood 10 "Ho Hey" by The Lumineers
Best New Artist 1 Frank Ocean 2 Gotye 3 fun. 4 One Direction 5 Ellie Goulding 6 The Lumineers 7 Alabama Shakes 8 Carly Rae Jepsen 9 Of Monsters & Men 10 Lana del Rey
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Post by kirby2725 on Oct 1, 2012 12:04:09 GMT -5
Question can a song that was submitted into a category but failed to garner a nomination get nominated in another category another year? I'm pretty sure Bey and her camp submitted "LOT" to Best Traditional R&B Performance, but can she submit it this year to R&B Performance? Hell if it wasn't for the snub last year, I'd say just to submit some live recordings, but after last year I'm not sure it would work </3. Or maybe DFY could score a nod :) Pretty sure they submitted "1+1" as the Best Traditional R&B Performance entry last year. I don't believe "Love On Top" was submitted for anything, so Best R&B Solo should be on lock for B. Her biggest competition for R&B Solo would be "Climax". If they can submit it for Traditional R&B Performance, that'd be an even better shot. "Dance For You" can totally still score a nod for R&B Solo if "Love On Top" nabs Traditional. I think Best R&B Song will be a toss up between "Love On Top" and "Climax" (or "Thinkin Bout You", if eligible).
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Post by kirby2725 on Oct 1, 2012 12:10:58 GMT -5
It's between Frank, Ellie and Gotye for BNA. Frank definitely has the lead. Other nominees will likely be One Direction (for ratings) and fun.
AOTY will be mainly between Frank and Mumford & Sons, with a possible upset by Drake.
ROTY will likely go to Adele. Her biggest competition would be fun. and Gotye. As for other nominees - I wouldn't rule out Usher's "Climax", F+TM "Shake It Out", or Calvin's "Feel So Close" & "We Found Love".
SOTY will likely go to "Somebody That I Used To Know".
The one thing that is up in the air, is whether Frank will be able to submit "Thinkin Bout You". If allowed, the song would be a strong contender in ROTY + SOTY categories.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 1, 2012 12:24:10 GMT -5
There'll be a country and/or non-pop nomination for best new artist too. There's always someone out of left field in there.
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Post by d.t.m on Oct 1, 2012 12:59:51 GMT -5
I strongly doubt Drake is going to win AOTY especially if rapper Em couldn't do it in a weaker field a few years ago.
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Post by kirby2725 on Oct 1, 2012 13:05:29 GMT -5
There'll be a country and/or non-pop nomination for best new artist too. There's always someone out of left field in there. Non-Pop = Frank Ocean? Ellie Goulding, Gotye and Fun. are also considered more "Alt." than Pop. Also - Are Foster the People eligible??
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Post by kirby2725 on Oct 1, 2012 13:07:50 GMT -5
BNA Long-Shots also include Big Sean, Elle Varner, Emeli Sande and Cher Lloyd (lol).
*EDIT: Long shots for nominations. Not for the win.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 1, 2012 19:31:13 GMT -5
There'll be a country and/or non-pop nomination for best new artist too. There's always someone out of left field in there. Non-Pop = Frank Ocean? Ellie Goulding, Gotye and Fun. are also considered more "Alt." than Pop. I'm not referring to the "technical" genre of the music. Ellie, Gotye and fun. are still relatively pop and they've all had #1 hits this year, making them pop crossovers. I'm referring to someone who hasn't gotten that mainstream success on pop radio but still made waves in other areas of music. The Norah Jones of 2012, for example. Frank Ocean, yes, but also a new country act that did well. There must have been one. Has there been any new names in Jazz? I don't think the nominations for Best New Artist have ever consisted of acts that have all had significant pop success and/or sales, have there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 20:01:12 GMT -5
There'll be a country and/or non-pop nomination for best new artist too. There's always someone out of left field in there. Nobody Country will be in BNA. If anyone, it'd probably someone like Hunter Hayes or Thompson Square. I'll be shocked if they make it in there, though. I doubt there will be very much Country dominance in the general field categories at all, which is ironic since the nominations concert has moved to Nashville this year. If there were to be any major Country nods, they'd come from Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, or Kenny Chesney, but realistically, Carrie would be the only probable bet out of those 3 (and even she probably won't receive any general field nods).
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 1, 2012 21:10:38 GMT -5
Here's the list of the Best New Artist nominations every year since 2000 (with the winner listed first).
2000 Christina Aguilera Macy Gray Kid Rock Britney Spears Susan Tedeschi
2001 Shelby Lynne Brad Paisley Papa Roach Jill Scott SisqΓ³
2002 Alicia Keys India.Arie Nelly Furtado David Gray Linkin Park
2003 Norah Jones Ashanti Michelle Branch Avril Lavigne John Mayer
2004 Evanescence 50 Cent Fountains of Wayne Heather Headley Sean Paul
2005 Maroon 5 Los Lonely Boys Joss Stone Kanye West Gretchen Wilson
2006 John Legend Ciara Fall Out Boy Keane Sugarland
2007 Carrie Underwood James Blunt Chris Brown Imogen Heap Corinne Bailey Rae
2008 Amy Winehouse Feist Ledisi Paramore Taylor Swift
2009 Adele Duffy Jonas Brothers Lady Antebellum Jazmine Sullivan
2010 Zac Brown Band Keri Hilson MGMT Silversun Pickups The Ting Tings
2011 Esperanza Spalding Drake Florence + The Machine Justin Bieber Mumford & Sons
2012 Bon Iver The Band Perry J. Cole Nicki Minaj Skrillex
There've been some pretty mainstream years but every year there was always at least one non-pop crossover hit. I'm no longer trying to prove a point or any sort of a debate (even if it might seem like I am) but rather trying to direct the conversation toward looking at previous lists and how interesting it is to look back and see how wide a spectrum the the artists in each year covers.
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Post by wavey.β¨οΈ on Oct 2, 2012 10:49:49 GMT -5
Fountains Of Wayne? Did they have another hit besides "Stacey's Mom"?
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Post by ItGirl on Oct 2, 2012 10:51:34 GMT -5
I like Frank. But he is a glorified Musiq IMO.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 2, 2012 11:27:17 GMT -5
2011
Esperanza Spalding Drake Florence + The Machine Justin Bieber Mumford & Sons
Every single loser has outshined the winner. Mumford & Sons or Florence + The Machine deserved it that year.They brought the unorthdox to Mainstream. With Bon Iver I understood because of their contribution (Justin mainly) on Kanye's album which helped propel them even further.
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Post by when the pawn... on Oct 2, 2012 12:00:29 GMT -5
2011 Esperanza SpaldingDrake Florence + The Machine Justin Bieber Mumford & Sons Every single loser has outshined the winner. Mumford & Sons or Florence + The Machine deserved it that year.They brought the unorthdox to Mainstream. With Bon Iver I understood because of their contribution (Justin mainly) on Kanye's album which helped propel them even further. Esperanza's win is still crazy to me. I never would have heard of her to this day if it weren't for the Grammys. Mumford just sold 575,000+ albums first week, Bieber is still raging on, Drake sold 2 million of his follow-up and Florence has continued her success. All of them were fantastic nominees and somehow, an unknown Jazz singer won. Not saying the most popular artist should automatically win but the Grammys (at least the big 4) should be honoring music that is making an impact. That's why AOTY wins by Robert Plant, Herbie Hancock, O Brother Where Art Thou and Ray Charles really bothered me.
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Post by GRRR on Oct 2, 2012 12:13:02 GMT -5
Esperanza Spalding will win all of the Grammys, sorry guys.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 7, 2012 5:02:08 GMT -5
If Set Fire to the Rain is nominated, Adele will be the only female in the last 3 decades with 3 solo nods.
Top-selling albums (half-mil for 2011 releases, one-third mil for 2012) w/at least 70 on Metacritic, from Gold Derby Forums: Drake 1.90/78 (5 T40 hits) Lionel 1.02/74 Black Keys .98/84 Carrie .81/70 (2 T40 hits) Florence .75/76 Gotye .67/71 (1 T40 hit) Young Jeezy .64/70 (1 T40 hit) Mary J .64/72 Miranda Lambert .62/83 (1 T40 hit) Toby Keith .57/79 (2 T40 hits) Zac Brown .53/71 John Mayer .49/73 Rick Ross .47/71 Springsteen .46/78 Hunger Games .44/72 (2 T40 hits) Van Halen .39/73 Jack White .39/83 Usher .38/75 (2 T40 hits) Monsters & Men .38/73 Pink .38/77 (1 T40 hit) Dave Matthews .37/77 Frank Ocean .33/92 (1 T40 hit)
Pink & Dave Matthews obviously have the most room to grow in terms of sales.
Females Carrie, Florence, Mary, Miranda, Pink Reviews Frank Ocean, Black Keys, Miranda/Jack, Toby, Drake/Springsteen
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 7, 2012 11:20:56 GMT -5
I think the concept of "hit" is overdone in relation to the Grammys.
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Post by blownaway on Oct 7, 2012 18:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by forg on Oct 7, 2012 20:17:31 GMT -5
If Bruno Mars was eligible in 2011, he could have beaten Esperanza Spalding but anyway she's a jazz artist and expecting her to have some mainstream impact is a little unfair since her genre already limits her. And who knows down the road, she could surprise us.
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Post by d.t.m on Oct 7, 2012 23:22:10 GMT -5
As of now, Frank's album is generating a lot of talk in Grammy circles for AOTY and BNA. I wouldn't count out vets Bruce or Lionel for the top prize should one of them get nominated in the end either, though.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 8, 2012 2:18:34 GMT -5
Is Taylor's Ours eligible? It was on (some) copies of the album Speak Now which already got a Country Album nom, but it wasn't officially released until November.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -5
Is Taylor's Ours eligible? It was on (some) copies of the album Speak Now which already got a Country Album nom, but it wasn't officially released until November. Since it was released off of the Deluxe Edition of SN, I believe that it is eligible.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 10, 2012 0:57:48 GMT -5
Interesting; some people at Gold Derby think Somebody That I Used to Know will be ineligible for Song of the Year because it samples the song Seville.
If that's true, it can totally still win Record of the Year - Please Read the Letter, Blvd of Broken Dreams, Here We Go Again, and Clocks are several recent examples of Record winners w/o Song noms.
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Post by d.t.m on Oct 10, 2012 17:25:12 GMT -5
STIUTK would be a deserving ROTY winner, IMO.
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Post by dg1 on Oct 11, 2012 15:07:40 GMT -5
The submissions are starting to leak:
GRAMMY SUBMISSIONS:
Frank Ocean Best R&B Perf. "Thinkin' bout you" Best R&B Song "Thinkin' bout you" Best Urban Contemporary Album Best New artis Song/record of year "Thinkin' bout you" Album of year
Adele:
ROTY: Set Fire to the Rain (Live) SOTY: Set Fire to the Rain (Live) Pop Vocal: Set Fire to the Rain (Live) Long Form: Live at Royal Albert Hall
Taylor Swift: Record/song/pop perf: WANEGBT Countr. Perf./Countr. song: Ours Countr. duo/group and Song visual media: Safe and Sound w/ civil wars
Gotye: Album of year Record of year "Somebody that i used to know" Pop duo/group "Somebody that I used to know" Alternative album
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