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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 3, 2012 12:25:01 GMT -5
I feel dumb for asking this, but what would this translate to the amount of people hearing this song?  Don't feel dumb! The song was heard 8 thousand times this week. That's crazy low. No. I think you meant it was heard by 8,000 people. If it was heard 8K times - that would be 8K spins. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 12:33:00 GMT -5
Don't feel dumb! The song was heard 8 thousand times this week. That's crazy low. No. I think you meant it was heard by 8,000 people. If it was heard 8K times - that would be 8K spins. No. It was heard 8000 times, not necessarily by 8000 people. All 8,000 times could have been simultaneous, but it was still 8,000 times. |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 12:34:12 GMT -5
It was heard by an estimated 8000 people.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 13:11:33 GMT -5
It was heard by an estimated 8000 people. For all we know, it was heard by 4,000 people, each of whom heard it twice. So, it was heard an estimated 8000 times. |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 13:13:04 GMT -5
But that's not how these numbers work. They have to take into consideration people hearing the song multiple times. Otherwise we would have numbers way over the number of citizens in the US.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 13:14:56 GMT -5
But that's not how these numbers work. They have to take into consideration people hearing the song multiple times. Otherwise we would have numbers way over the number of citizens in the US. Wait, really? I didn't think they corrected for that. |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 13:18:53 GMT -5
Well, I would assume that is how it works. Something like if a daytime spin #1 gets 0.100 audience, then daytime spin #2 on the same day gets 0.080 audience, etc.
I don't know anything for sure, but that's how I would think they do it... Otherwise, I don't see why we wouldn't get numbers over 300 million easily.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 3, 2012 13:26:53 GMT -5
BDS uses Arbitron ratings info to calculate the average audience for a track. I don't know if it takes into account one-person-multiple-listens or not. After all, not every U.S. citizen listens to radio. :)
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 13:30:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that I've read that they don't take it into account..
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 3, 2012 13:42:50 GMT -5
It doesn't. Not everyone listens to radio, and not all radio stations are tracked, which is why the numbers are never over the population of the United States. They would easily if all stations were tracked. It's a number of how many times the song was heard, not how many people actually heard the song.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 13:51:32 GMT -5
It's a number of how many times the song was heard, not how many people actually heard the song. so... I was actually right for once? Thanks! |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 3, 2012 13:53:42 GMT -5
It's a number of how many times the song was heard, not how many people actually heard the song. so... I was actually right for once? Thanks! LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 14:35:18 GMT -5
But that's not how these numbers work. They have to take into consideration people hearing the song multiple times. Otherwise we would have numbers way over the number of citizens in the US. Most big songs have cumulative totals that are 10-20 times as high as the US population... |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 14:39:32 GMT -5
The biggest song was only like 220 million, though or so. Unless you're talking about the value of every week added together? Those definitely count people more than once.
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Post by NeRD on Jul 3, 2012 15:26:50 GMT -5
Very interesting debate. I always thought that the total audience was the total amount of people who heard the song as well. But that wouldn't really make sense since WBT's AI peak was more than the entire population of the US in 2005. |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 15:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 16:08:53 GMT -5
^ I find it hard to believe that 80% of the US population heard WBT on the radio that week. There are enough people who listen exclusively to country/Christian/hard rock/rap no radio at all to bring the number much lower than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 16:30:38 GMT -5
I find it hard to belive that even 80% of the people who post here would go out of there way to listen to one song in a given week on the radio.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 16:33:14 GMT -5
^ Right? 212.2 million different people hearing a song would be soooo high. It doesn't add up.
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 16:42:38 GMT -5
Time to ask Billboard!  |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 3, 2012 16:45:22 GMT -5
Seriously, the number of listeners more than likely is not "unique" listeners.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 16:47:07 GMT -5
So, just to wrap things back up:
I was right.
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 16:52:57 GMT -5
So, just to wrap things back up: I was right. Shut it. But I think they should try to make it unique listeners. I don't think it would really be too hard. Just each additional spin loses a certain amount of listeners. Same time of day and day loses the most, same time of day but different day loses less but more than a different time of day (night vs. morning; these likely have almost completely different listeners). I mean, they ARE trying to make everything as realistic as possible, so why not try to do this? |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 17:08:47 GMT -5
So, just to wrap things back up: I was right. Shut it. Why can't we be friends? :S I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure that they could really do it accurately.. And if the same person hears the song 25 times in the week, then it should count 25 times. After all, if they didn't want to hear it they'd change the station. |
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Post by josh on Jul 3, 2012 17:20:26 GMT -5
But that's what spins are for. I think estimating how many different people hear a song in a week is a better judge of how big a song is. I see how both are useful though. They should just do both. I feel like the components of the Hot 100 are on opposite sides of this argument. Streaming counts every individual stream, so a person can play a song 100 times in the week and all 100 count. Sales, for iTunes at least, for whatever dumb reason only count as once per account, no matter how many times you buy it. That is my understanding, at least. Regardless, most people only will buy the song one time. See how they're opposing sides? Kinda weird... |
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Post by NeRD on Jul 3, 2012 17:39:57 GMT -5
Lawd....
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Post by Rodze on Jul 3, 2012 18:02:09 GMT -5
But that's what spins are for. I think estimating how many different people hear a song in a week is a better judge of how big a song is. I see how both are useful though. They should just do both. I feel like the components of the Hot 100 are on opposite sides of this argument. Streaming counts every individual stream, so a person can play a song 100 times in the week and all 100 count. Sales, for iTunes at least, for whatever dumb reason only count as once per account, no matter how many times you buy it. That is my understanding, at least. Regardless, most people only will buy the song one time. See how they're opposing sides? Kinda weird... One person can buy one song multiple times, if not from the same store, from different stores (it's when it's done at the same place in a absurd amount that it may tick the alarm at SoundScan, I don't think there's a preset limit). One purchase for one person, one stream for one person, one spin for n persons. Each measure is for unique individuals. Then they just add everything up, for an arbitrary period of time (day, week, month, year...). |
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Post by stuntbox on Jul 3, 2012 18:29:46 GMT -5
^ I find it hard to believe that 80% of the US population heard WBT on the radio that week. There are enough people who listen exclusively to country/Christian/hard rock/rap no radio at all to bring the number much lower than that. It's possible..I literally remember that song being played at the same time on 3 different stations...Truly a MONSTER airplay hit of all time. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 3, 2012 18:38:19 GMT -5
But that's what spins are for. I think estimating how many different people hear a song in a week is a better judge of how big a song is. I see how both are useful though. They should just do both. I feel like the components of the Hot 100 are on opposite sides of this argument. Streaming counts every individual stream, so a person can play a song 100 times in the week and all 100 count. Sales, for iTunes at least, for whatever dumb reason only count as once per account, no matter how many times you buy it. That is my understanding, at least. Regardless, most people only will buy the song one time. See how they're opposing sides? Kinda weird... I don't think that represents opposing sides at all.. In fact, I think it creates a necessary balance. 99% of the population would never consider buying the same song twice, so radio and streaming are needed to show how much a song gains, maintains, and loses listenership over time.. Imagine if they were able to track our collective mp3 player playcounts for every song, factoring out the cheating that's possible with it. Then they'd really have something going. |
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Post by NeRD on Jul 3, 2012 19:22:23 GMT -5
^ I find it hard to believe that 80% of the US population heard WBT on the radio that week. There are enough people who listen exclusively to country/Christian/hard rock/rap no radio at all to bring the number much lower than that. It's possible..I literally remember that song being played at the same time on 3 different stations...Truly a MONSTER airplay hit of all time. Same. One time I heard it on Q100 (CHR), V103 (Urban), 95.5 (Rhythmic), Star 94 (HAC), and 104.7 (Urban AC) at the SAME time. No joke. I dont think any other song will cross as many barriers as that. |
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