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Post by agon666 on Dec 25, 2005 9:29:07 GMT -5
Looking at the HAC top 20, I see a lot of HAC-only songs... more than I have seen in quite some time:
*#3 Better Days- Goo Goo Dolls - - - currently #55 with a +27 bullet on pop.
*#6 You're Beautiful- James Blunt - - - currently #57 with a +97 bullet on pop.
*#7 She Says- Howie Day - - - currently #59 with a -38 bullet on pop... peaked in the 30's.
*#8 Ever The Same- Rob Thomas - - - currently #62 with a +26 bullet on pop.
*#9 Crazy- Alanis Morissette - - - currently #50 with a +28 bullet on pop.
*#10 Pretty Vegas- INXS - - - currently #68 wtih a +35 bullet on pop.
*#11 You'll Think Of Me- Keith Urban - - - currently #49 with a -45 bullet on pop... peaked in the 30's.
*#12 Good Is Good- Sheryl Crow - - - currently #110 with a -6 bullet on pop.
*#14 Have A Nice Day- Bon Jovi - - - currently #71 with a -15 bullet on pop.
*#16 Right Here- Staind - - - currently #36 with a +160 bullet on pop.
*#18 How Do You Love- Collective Soul - - - currently #79 with a +25 bullet on pop.
*#19 I'm Feeling You- Santana f/ Michelle Branch - - - currently #81 with a -44 bullet on pop... peaked in the 30's.
*#20 In The Rough- Anna Nalick - - - currently #73 with a -25 bullet on pop.
I think HAC may be starting to shake off the pop influence and coming into its own again as a format! Has there ever been a time when pop was so independent as this?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 25, 2005 16:17:53 GMT -5
Im hoping it does move away from being a pop chart minime
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 25, 2005 18:03:03 GMT -5
I'm encouraged to see that Hot AC is playing some artists who aren't getting a fair shake at pop, since pop is so heavily skewed towards rhythmic now. I think it's a good thing for pop/rock artists who aren't "street" or "sexy" enough (and possibly too "old").  |
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Post by John77 on Dec 26, 2005 0:57:11 GMT -5
I think it's more a matter of Pop stations going more heavily Urban than anything else... CHR/Pop is sounding about as bad as it has in a VERY long time...
Hot AC seems to be trying to attract new listeners right now in most markets, while CHR/Pop is not... I think over the next couple of years as CHR/Pop's ratings start to slide, you'll start seeing more of the James Blunt's, Sheryl Crow's and Rob Thomas's of the world do a little better...
When CHR/Pop thrives is when they are balanced with a little of everything... right now, the majority of CHR/Pop stations are very out of balance... for all intents and purposes, Hot AC is a better representation of the true Top 40 right now than CHR/Pop is....
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Post by agon666 on Dec 26, 2005 9:50:02 GMT -5
I think it's more a matter of Pop stations going more heavily Urban than anything else... CHR/Pop is sounding about as bad as it has in a VERY long time... Hot AC seems to be trying to attract new listeners right now in most markets, while CHR/Pop is not... I think over the next couple of years as CHR/Pop's ratings start to slide, you'll start seeing more of the James Blunt's, Sheryl Crow's and Rob Thomas's of the world do a little better... When CHR/Pop thrives is when they are balanced with a little of everything... right now, the majority of CHR/Pop stations are very out of balance... for all intents and purposes, Hot AC is a better representation of the true Top 40 right now than CHR/Pop is.... Err... pop just had a really good year, IMO. Winter is always a time when Urban-type songs dominate... just look back at other charts. Pure pop actually had a revital this year. Anyway, I think it's great to see HAC become it's own format rather that pop-rap/R&B. |
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Post by MinusName on Dec 26, 2005 11:27:28 GMT -5
I think it's great that Hot AC is playing veteran artists that can't get much airplay elsewhere. After all, they are Hot AC and should play the artists that fit that category, not play songs that other formats have covered.
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Post by John77 on Dec 26, 2005 12:24:56 GMT -5
Err... pop just had a really good year, IMO. Winter is always a time when Urban-type songs dominate... just look back at other charts. Pure pop actually had a revital this year. If pop had a "really good year", then why were ratings down and why were album sales overall down 10% from last year... Other than Kelly Clarkson, it was pretty much a lost year for CHR/Pop IMHO... |
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Post by MinusName on Dec 26, 2005 14:37:58 GMT -5
Err... pop just had a really good year, IMO. Winter is always a time when Urban-type songs dominate... just look back at other charts. Pure pop actually had a revital this year. If pop had a "really good year", then why were ratings down and why were album sales overall down 10% from last year... Other than Kelly Clarkson, it was pretty much a lost year for CHR/Pop IMHO... I think it is more of an opinion though, I thought it was the best year in a long time. Radio is not the only way to hear new music anymore, it's much easier to hear music on TV and on the internet, plus now people can just download their favorite songs and listen to them whenever and wherever they want, so who needs to depend on the radio anymore? |
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Post by John77 on Dec 26, 2005 17:45:20 GMT -5
If pop had a "really good year", then why were ratings down and why were album sales overall down 10% from last year... Other than Kelly Clarkson, it was pretty much a lost year for CHR/Pop IMHO... I think it is more of an opinion though, I thought it was the best year in a long time. Radio is not the only way to hear new music anymore, it's much easier to hear music on TV and on the internet, plus now people can just download their favorite songs and listen to them whenever and wherever they want, so who needs to depend on the radio anymore? True... I guess radio-wise it was a bad year, but there was a lot of good music out... people still usually hear new music first through the radio, so people still do depend on it a lot... Downloads of songs for 99 cents make a lot more sense than shelling out $15 for an album that is mostly filler... so I'm sure that impacted sales... I'm sure next year we will see a similar decline, which will be further exacerbated if CHR/Pop stations keep catering to the 6-17 crowd... |
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Post by wunderkind on Dec 26, 2005 17:50:34 GMT -5
I personally think Pop has been going downhill in quality since about 2002, and will likely continue to do so. I used to listen to only pop radio and now I listen to only HOT AC... and it's been that way since I was about 14. I do hope HOT AC distances itself from pop. I can hear my favorite artists (Alanis Morissette, Everclear, etc.) on the radio because of it, and pop can continue to play their Ashley Simpson  |
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Post by vstreamer on Dec 27, 2005 9:33:09 GMT -5
Actually, I think you hit on something. I haven't listened to CHR/Pop radio in well over a year. I have become very disenchanted with the urban and hip hop stuff that has dominated. It really disgusts me. I feel that Hot AC has been reaching out for new listeners since last Christmas, at least in NY. Before I never listened to Hot AC. Now I supposed I must listen to them about 25 - 30% of the time. Less garbage "pop" the better.
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Post by smack on Dec 27, 2005 11:23:50 GMT -5
Actually, I reviewed (very briefly reviewed) some older charts. When the hot 100 changed in 12/98, no songs higher than #7 on HAC were not on the hot 100 airplay chart. Most, by the time they hit top 10, cracked mainstream top 40 or AC charts as well. Now, we are seeing songs hit as high as #3 w/o hitting top 75 airplay or any other format charts. So, IMHO, it seems HAC is possibly leaning more towards alt rock, while top 40 surely has become much more rap/r&b oriented. But, we've also seen even AC has taken many more rock songs on lately too.
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Post by MinusName on Dec 27, 2005 11:35:57 GMT -5
I think it is good that Hot AC is leaning more towards Rock, a lot of the current Hot AC artists use to be big on Alternative Rock (Goo Goo Dolls, Alanis Morissette) and of course Nickelback and Green Day are currently doing very well on the Rock formats. I think this is the way it should be though, if Hot AC is more of an adult-oriented format than many of them probably like Rock because they grew up when Rock was popular, not this bullcrap we have now called urban-rhythmic/rap/hip-hop. I like it when Hot AC leans Rock, they can help a lot of songs out on the Hot 100. I think Hot AC is the key format to someday getting a non-urban/rhythmic song back to #1.
How is Hot AC doing anyway? Are they a growing format? Are audiences going up?
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Post by John77 on Dec 28, 2005 1:08:10 GMT -5
Some Hot AC's are doing well, others not so well... it seems the ones that are aggresively trying to play new music are the ones doing the best, those not doing so are not doing so well...
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Post by Slinky on Dec 28, 2005 11:49:36 GMT -5
Some Hot AC's are doing well, others not so well... it seems the ones that are aggresively trying to play new music are the ones doing the best, those not doing so are not doing so well... But the aggressive Hot AC's are mostly in small markets, so it's hard to draw a conclusion. Of the aggressive Hot AC's in big markets, results are mixed. Chicago's Mix is doing well, DC's Z104 is doing horridly, and San Fran's Alice is middling. |
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Post by John77 on Dec 29, 2005 17:54:34 GMT -5
Some Hot AC's are doing well, others not so well... it seems the ones that are aggresively trying to play new music are the ones doing the best, those not doing so are not doing so well... But the aggressive Hot AC's are mostly in small markets, so it's hard to draw a conclusion. Of the aggressive Hot AC's in big markets, results are mixed. Chicago's Mix is doing well, DC's Z104 is doing horridly, and San Fran's Alice is middling. New York is kind of a strange apple so to speak... what applies there doesn't seem to apply to other markets for whatever reason... |
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 30, 2005 11:22:43 GMT -5
I think it's better like this. And i'm heartened by them playing people like Anna Nalick, when normally it's basically either songs that were already hits on Pop or veteran artists that used to have hits on Pop.
Of course, I don't have an actual Hot AC I can hear well (Coast 97.3 is a piece of crap that's horrible at adding new songs...I think they started playing "Since U Been Gone" two months ago, and I think they're classified as AC officiall)y.
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Post by reception on Dec 30, 2005 16:23:41 GMT -5
Of course, I don't have an actual Hot AC I can hear well (Coast 97.3 is a piece of crap that's horrible at adding new songs...I think they started playing "Since U Been Gone" two months ago, and I think they're classified as AC officiall)y. That's another Cox station slowwww to add currents as I mentioned in another topic KRTR does the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2006 14:33:29 GMT -5
This is a great observation, and I'm quite happy about it. I think Hot AC does have its own sound that is unique from Pop, AC, and Alternative, and artists should absolutely be able to thrive on this format without hitting it big elsewhere first.
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Post by Hook on Jan 5, 2006 15:03:28 GMT -5
I think it's great that Hot AC plays different music than CHR and the other formats. Now I just wish I had one that I could hear well. The one I know of here doesn't come in very well a lot of the time.
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Post by MinusName on Jan 5, 2006 17:19:14 GMT -5
I think it's great that Hot AC plays different music than CHR and the other formats. Now I just wish I had one that I could hear well. The one I know of here doesn't come in very well a lot of the time. I know exactly how you feel, my favorite radio station is a Hot AC station, but the reception is pretty bad because it is in Lawrence, KS, and I live just south of Kansas City, so it's about 35-40 miles away. |
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