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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 14, 2007 13:07:51 GMT -5
. It looks destined to be #1. Yeah, I agree. This is reall rolling now. I love this now, it's been a big grower for me. 15 13 TIMBALAND/ONEREPUBLIC Apologize 2007 Mosley/BG/Interscope 1866 1626 240 8.920
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 14, 2007 16:40:11 GMT -5
Who is OneRepublic? This looks like a good marketing stragedy to get a new band "out there." Are these guys rock or rhymthic/ R&B more like M5. I like the song but this pairing is obviously a commercial one. The pairing helps One Republic break into the music scene, but it also gives people the impression that Timbaland is a versatile talented artist when he barely does anything on this song! I actually think One Republic could easily have built this up as a hit themselves (it wouldn't have been so quick, but they could've done it IMO just like Maroon 5 did) - Timbo is benefitting from this "collaboration" big time cause this is his first hit that's gettin widespread critical praise!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 14, 2007 18:43:11 GMT -5
How does Tim barely do anything on the song? I'm so confused. I bet he did more on this song than, say Britney or Paris or most of the pop tarts and even others like Celine do on their respective songs.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 14, 2007 19:15:17 GMT -5
How does Tim barely do anything on the song? I'm so confused. I bet he did more on this song than, say Britney or Paris or most of the pop tarts and even others like Celine do on their respective songs. Britney, Paris, and Celine actually sing the song
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Post by beejus on Nov 15, 2007 8:38:32 GMT -5
Who is OneRepublic? This looks like a good marketing stragedy to get a new band "out there." Are these guys rock or rhymthic/ R&B more like M5. I like the song but this pairing is obviously a commercial one. The pairing helps One Republic break into the music scene, but it also gives people the impression that Timbaland is a versatile talented artist when he barely does anything on this song! I actually think One Republic could easily have built this up as a hit themselves (it wouldn't have been so quick, but they could've done it IMO just like Maroon 5 did) - Timbo is benefitting from this "collaboration" big time cause this is his first hit that's gettin widespread critical praise! We're playing the Timbaland version of the song on my station... but giving him no credit on air. Its just "Apologize" by OneRepublic. I did the same thing with "The Sweet Escape." It was just Gwen Stefani to the listeners.
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Post by smack on Nov 15, 2007 9:14:22 GMT -5
one of the best songs this year IMHO
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 15, 2007 17:41:49 GMT -5
How does Tim barely do anything on the song? I'm so confused. I bet he did more on this song than, say Britney or Paris or most of the pop tarts and even others like Celine do on their respective songs. Britney, Paris, and Celine actually sing the song Yeah, there's more to music than singing.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 15, 2007 18:09:37 GMT -5
Tim doesn't really do anything on this song, so I'm seeing what atlantaboy is seeing here.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 15, 2007 18:17:39 GMT -5
Britney, Paris, and Celine actually sing the song Yeah, there's more to music than singing. Yes, playing instruments (which Timbo doesn't do either - it's like crediting the producer for the song...if ur not sure how much Timbo does or doesn't do, just watch the video, as he turns up and down the volume knobs, and leans back and conducts the song! A guy named David Foster used to produce tons of CHR hits in the 80s - maybe we should go back and change "You're The Inpsiration" by Chicago to "You're The Inspiration" by David Foster feat Chicago...if we did that, DF would have more CHR hits prob. than any other artist in history!
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 15, 2007 18:33:34 GMT -5
Yeah, no other songs list the producers...
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 15, 2007 22:12:30 GMT -5
Well, the producer DOES play a major role in a lot of songs. Most aren't credited for the actual song but for some reason, Tim receives credit for this because he DID put it on his album. Obviously OneRepublic has no problem with this. Not sure why you guys do. If you do, go and listen to the OneRepublic non-remix version. Otherwise, there's nothing complaining will do about it. As far as producing goes, I personally think the role of the producer in a song and the role of the "nobs and buttons" is as much an instrument and part of the song as the instruments that the band members play.
A few other examples of Producers receiving Artist credits: Irv Gotti f/ all the murder inc people - whatever that song is called... (2002) Pink f/ William Orbit - Feel Good Time Madonna f/ Massive Attack - I Want You
I'm sure there are more examples.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Nov 16, 2007 8:51:19 GMT -5
While this hasn't happened much in recent years, there is a precedent for listing the producer as the main act on the label. Back in the '70s and '80s, producer Quincy Jones had 6 top 40 hits on the Hot 100. Some of the acts that sang vocals on his songs include: James Ingram, Chaka Khan, Ray Charles, and Barry White. These artists were only listed as "featured" artists, even though they did all the vocals.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 16, 2007 12:38:51 GMT -5
This is top ten now.
13 10 TIMBALAND/ONEREPUBLIC Apologize 2007 Mosley/BG/Interscope 1986 1707 279 9.193
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 17, 2007 11:52:31 GMT -5
Well, the producer DOES play a major role in a lot of songs. Most aren't credited for the actual song but for some reason...[Pink f/ William Orbit - Feel Good Time] Erhmm...really don't think many songs list the producers dude, especially as the main artist Pink f/ William Orbit lists the producer as the featured artist, not the main artist I just said that Timbo is gettin critical acclaim for this song, and he's listed as the main artist, so he benefits from this just as much as One Republic does, if not more (cause this song is helpin him sell his CDs) Also, Quincy Jones wrote most of those songs except "I'll Be Good To You" which was a remake...but he did play the keyboards on that song (which was the main instrument)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 17, 2007 11:59:20 GMT -5
And that's obviously something that OneRepublic are fine with. Some might even say they sold themselves out with this song to get popular... Either way, I don't know why you take issue with it. Most places give them both equal credit. I don't think you're giving Tim enough credit. Most of the song doesn't even sound like it was with the band. The drum machine was probably Tim and the synth strings were as well, I would imagine. And it is on his album.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Nov 17, 2007 12:04:30 GMT -5
I'm liking this song too. But so funny that I actually thought it was Timbaland singing with a new band or something. LOL. His name shouldn't be in the credit like that IMO. It cheapens OneRepublic's role IMO. The guy's got a great voice. Reminds me of the Spandau Ballet guy. And I agree I like it a lot more than Adam Levine. I used to love M5, but now I really am starting to dislike his voice and "man whore" rep.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 17, 2007 22:06:07 GMT -5
^ I love Maroon 5 and how they get all the ladies, but that's just me. He reminds me of Adam Levine mixed with Iasic Slade from The Fray.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 18, 2007 14:19:36 GMT -5
^Yeah he looks a lot like the guy from the Fray but has the voice of Adam Levine IMO
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Post by shocker on Nov 19, 2007 3:36:25 GMT -5
I'm liking this song too. But so funny that I actually thought it was Timbaland singing with a new band or something. LOL. His name shouldn't be in the credit like that IMO. It cheapens OneRepublic's role IMO. The guy's got a great voice. Reminds me of the Spandau Ballet guy. And I agree I like it a lot more than Adam Levine. I used to love M5, but now I really am starting to dislike his voice and "man whore" rep. Funny you should mention this. On the latest Mediabase Hot AC chart, "Apologize" by One Republic (sans Timbaland) has its own ranking at #49. 6 stations are giving this version without Timbaland some decent airplay - KMXP in Phoenix is one of those stations. What's really odd is the version credited to just One Republic sounds exactly like the version with Timbaland that's getting all the attention. So I'm wondering - are these 6 stations giving air credit to One Republic because of the fact that Timbaland really didn't contribute much to this song?
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 19, 2007 18:07:49 GMT -5
What's really odd is the version credited to just One Republic sounds exactly like the version with Timbaland that's getting all the attention. Timbo said on AT40 the other day that he "just changed it a little...just a little" and Seacrest introduced the song as One Republic feat Timbaland Thinkin this two-version thing might actually hurt this song a little on the HAC chart - there are a few Modern AC stations that are playin "Apologize" by Timbo feat One Republic 30 or so times a week, and (separately listed) "Apologize" by One Republic 30 times a week, basically cuttin the plays in half... Weird cause I remember when J-Lo put out her Ja Rule remixes of Ain't It Funny and I'm Real on CHR, the CD versions and the remix were completely different songs, but still counted as the same song on Mediabase ???
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Post by Kid Pulse on Nov 22, 2007 18:18:37 GMT -5
This is now up to #6...but it looks like it's hit a bit of a wall considering that it's about 500 plays behind the #5 song, "Wake Up Call".
Still, it'll be #1 before we know it.
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Post by shocker on Nov 27, 2007 5:02:28 GMT -5
Timbo said on AT40 the other day that he "just changed it a little...just a little" and Seacrest introduced the song as One Republic feat Timbaland I finally got a chance to really compare the difference between the One Republic version and the "original" version of Timbaland featuring One Republic. The One Republic version sounds almost identical, except without Timbaland's chants in the background. Also noticed a guitar in the middle of the song that seems to be missing in the Timbaland version. I think the One Republic version is better, and really should be entirely credited to them since lead singer Ryan Tedder is the only vocalist. Sounds a little like Coldplay or Augustana with a little bit of Maroon5 thrown in. Guess that's why I like it so much!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 27, 2007 15:09:32 GMT -5
Did you hear the album version or the "radio version" of the original? I noticed when I got their CD last week that the version on there has the strings up MUCH higher than the version I'd been used to. And comparing the original vs. Tim's, I'm pretty sure those are keyboard strings on Tim's but actual strings on the album version. The drums are probably drum machine vs. actual drums, and the vocals have much less processing to them. So the song follows the same basic structure but overall, the instruments are different and play different roles, even with the piano being being the strings in the album version but are more upfront in Tim's version (but behind the beat).
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Post by shocker on Dec 10, 2007 3:23:19 GMT -5
"Apologize" still has some of the greatest gains in spins. Looks destined to be #1.
To answer your question Max - I'm sure it was the radio versions of both the Timbaland, and the One Republic minus Timbaland recordings. Both are very much alike, but I think the One Republic version is more authentic-sounding.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 10, 2007 17:46:22 GMT -5
"Apologize" still has some of the greatest gains in spins. Looks destined to be #1. Can't believe it hasn't peaked on Hot AC yet...if I hear this song one more time I'm gonna heave...
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Dec 10, 2007 19:41:35 GMT -5
I really listened to this the other day and realized how repetitive the "It's too late to apologize....it's too late" is. Over and over. Made me like the song less.
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Post by Pipa on Dec 10, 2007 19:57:36 GMT -5
I really listened to this the other day and realized how repetitive the "It's too late to apologize....it's too late" is. Over and over. Made me like the song less. Yeah, the original is better in this regard. I think it's because they took the guitar out in the remix.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Dec 11, 2007 8:25:13 GMT -5
I guess it's kind of funny that I'm just starting to really get into this song.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 11, 2007 10:12:39 GMT -5
I guess it's kind of funny that I'm just starting to really get into this song. That's prob. cause you listen to a regular Hot AC station (I think ) - all I have is two CHRs that both lean Hot AC, and they each have been playin Apologize 70-80 times a week!
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 11, 2007 16:57:54 GMT -5
Though OneRepublic may arguably be one of the luckiest bands of all-time in that it's really all because of Timbaland that this song received such mass recognition and promotion, this is unquestionably OneRepublic's hit and the fact that the band's frontman Ryan Tedder has already carved his niche out in the music industry for years now and has also co-written many other songs, several of which are currently on the charts shows that OneRepublic has the potential for lasting greatness beyond what can be argued to be a fluke hit here.
There's no doubt in my mind that OneRepublic will be The Fray of 2008 (quite an amusing comparison in that both bands are from Colorado and both rose to national attention through Internet communities like MySpace). Expect "Stop & Stare" and "Mercy" to both become major hits.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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