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Post by Chase on Oct 22, 2007 11:52:23 GMT -5
^Are these stats stored somewhere online? I'm curious to see if her numbers are even more impressive at Triple A and if songs like "Home" and "There Goes The Neighborhood" charted there.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 22, 2007 15:33:01 GMT -5
yeah, Sheryl's chart stats surprise me from her first two albums. 'Home' or 'Hard To Make A Stand' didn't chart, nor did 'Run Baby Run' or 'Leaving Las Vegas'. All songs that would have at least made the Top 40 if released now.
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Post by MusicMan88 on Oct 22, 2007 15:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 22, 2007 16:28:01 GMT -5
yeah, Sheryl's chart stats surprise me from her first two albums. 'Home' or 'Hard To Make A Stand' didn't chart, nor did 'Run Baby Run' or 'Leaving Las Vegas'. All songs that would have at least made the Top 40 if released now. "Leaving Las Vegas" did hit the Top 40 (CHR back then was like Hot AC now, and Hot AC back then was like AC now) - it peaked at #25 CHR I think
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 22, 2007 18:43:36 GMT -5
I meant on Hot AC. ;)
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 22, 2007 18:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah these stats from the Hot AC chart before 1998 are really confusing...I guess what I mean is I'm not surprised that Leaving Las Vegas didn't hit HAC back in '94, cause back in '94 pop/alternative was released primarily to CHR, not HAC - most HAC stations didn't even play "Mr. Jones" by Counting Crows in '94 - they went back and added it in as a recurrent in '97 or so when HAC became the new outlet for pop/alternative
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Post by JJ on Oct 22, 2007 19:23:39 GMT -5
This sounds good. I think I'll like the verses better than the chorus. Can't wait!
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Oct 22, 2007 19:31:50 GMT -5
Yeah, "Mr. Jones" peaked at #20 on the very first HAC chart in April '94. It then bounced around between #22 and #30 through July 8th.
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Post by Marv on Oct 22, 2007 20:05:45 GMT -5
I read somewhere on this board that Alanis had five straight top 40 #1 singles at Billboard, which would have certainly been responsible for her being among the top five females at top 40 radio during the nineties, but certainly behind the top three---Mariah, Janet & Whitney.
Her accomplishments at Hot AC were unimpeachable, but Ms. Crow would still be tops at that format, and all of her CDs starting with the follow-up to 'Tuesday Night Music Club' would certainly get immediate out-of-the-box airplay at Hot AC upon release.
Granted, the CHR/Pop format has been all-over-the-place since 1992----from rhythmic to alternative to alternative/teen pop to overwhelmingly rhythmic, and has now shown signs of backing away from the so-so rhythmic material which has severely impacted several CHR/Rhythmic & Urban powerhouses nationwide.
Sheryl & Alanis are two of the best songwriters out there, regardless of genre, and that's no secret either; they are both miles ahead of the females who've been dominating top 40 rradio this decade, with the very noticeable exceptions of Avril Lavigne & Gwen Stefani.
Once top 40 radio can free itself from the stranglehold placed on it by a handful of producers while the best songwriters/groups of the past twenty years continue to shine at Rock & Hot AC, as well as AC radio, then perhaps Sheryl & Alanis will become staples at top 40 radio as they were in the mid-nineties, and as they unquestionably remain today at Hot AC, Alternative, Adult Hits (JACK-FM), & Triple A.
But I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by someguy on Oct 22, 2007 20:50:22 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to hearing the full song. Sheryl never seems to disappoint me, though her last labum wa smy least favorite of hers by far.
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Post by Chase on Oct 22, 2007 23:41:07 GMT -5
Okay, for the record, I never said that Sheryl was too old to have a hit here. I was merely suggesting that older artists with big hits at this format seem fewer and farther between these days. Longevity (or programmers' loyalty to artists?) at a given format (except for Triple A) seems hard to come by.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 23, 2007 18:12:13 GMT -5
I read somewhere on this board that Alanis had five straight top 40 #1 singles at Billboard, which would have certainly been responsible for her being among the top five females at top 40 radio during the nineties, but certainly behind the top three---Mariah, Janet & Whitney. Her accomplishments at Hot AC were unimpeachable, but Ms. Crow would still be tops at that format Sorry to keep bringin this up...but if you count Alanis's CHR hits pre-1998 (when CHR was very similar to HAC today) and her HAC hits post-98, as well as the number of times her first 5 singles have been in recurrent, I def. think Alanis has gotta pass Sheryl Crow as tops at HAC as we know it today I actually think that in the past 3 years or so, Sheryl Crow has become tops at mainstream AC (rather than Hot AC) - and I think it's at AC that "Soak Up The Sun" "First Cut Is The Deepest" "All I Wanna Do" "Strong Enough" etc. have been the most played Or maybe it's the fact that Alanis was HUGE for such a long time, whereas SC has been successful through the years, but there's never really been much hype about her (on HAC or CHR) compared to Alanis
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 23, 2007 21:30:46 GMT -5
I dunno, I think since Sheryl's success has been more moderately level throughout her career (albeit, still on the downslope but not as much as Alanis), I'd say she's probably at a better position for the format than Alanis.
I could attempt to dry diagrams of what I mean, lol. Alanis may have had a higher peak but the slope of the line in the graph I'm thinking of is much more steep than Sheryl's, which has been much more level over the years.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 24, 2007 15:40:49 GMT -5
I dunno, I think since Sheryl's success has been more moderately level throughout her career (albeit, still on the downslope but not as much as Alanis), I'd say she's probably at a better position for the format than Alanis. I could attempt to dry diagrams of what I mean, lol. Alanis may have had a higher peak but the slope of the line in the graph I'm thinking of is much more steep than Sheryl's, which has been much more level over the years. Yeah I completely agree...but it still seems to me like HAC is gonna have Alanis in recurrent for their entire existence, while most Sheryl Crow songs could easily be "delegated" to mainstream AC (I think most of them already are, esp. Soak Up The Sun and All I Wanna Do) And if you consider CD sales and artistic influence, it seems like it's Alanis no contest - she basically defined pop/alternative
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Post by Chase on Oct 24, 2007 16:01:14 GMT -5
I dunno, I think since Sheryl's success has been more moderately level throughout her career (albeit, still on the downslope but not as much as Alanis), I'd say she's probably at a better position for the format than Alanis. I could attempt to dry diagrams of what I mean, lol. Alanis may have had a higher peak but the slope of the line in the graph I'm thinking of is much more steep than Sheryl's, which has been much more level over the years. Yeah I completely agree...but it still seems to me like HAC is gonna have Alanis in recurrent for their entire existence, while most Sheryl Crow songs could easily be "delegated" to mainstream AC (I think most of them already are, esp. Soak Up The Sun and All I Wanna Do) And if you consider CD sales and artistic influence, it seems like it's Alanis no contest - she basically defined pop/alternative Hmm, I wonder who the most successful charting female artist has been since 1997, whose first single was released to Hot AC 1997 or later. Basically, I'm wondering who the most successful female artist has been to break onto the scene in the past 10 years?
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 24, 2007 17:27:12 GMT -5
Yeah I completely agree...but it still seems to me like HAC is gonna have Alanis in recurrent for their entire existence, while most Sheryl Crow songs could easily be "delegated" to mainstream AC (I think most of them already are, esp. Soak Up The Sun and All I Wanna Do) And if you consider CD sales and artistic influence, it seems like it's Alanis no contest - she basically defined pop/alternative Hmm, I wonder who the most successful charting female artist has been since 1997, whose first single was released to Hot AC 1997 or later. Basically, I'm wondering who the most successful female artist has been to break onto the scene in the past 10 years? By far it's gotta be Avril Lavigne and/or Kelly Clarkson, and then prob. Michelle Branch Jewel would've just made it, except "Who Will Save Your Soul" was released in '96 - Gwen Stefani was cut off too by a year No big solo female HAC artists came out (I don't think) between 1997-2001...basically I think b/c so many Alanis Morissette "clones" released material to pop/alternative HACs and pop/alternative CHR between '96 and '98, the most successful of which was prob. Meredith Brooks, although it was a pretty short career 2000-2001 was extremely male-dominated on HAC by Vertical Horizon, Creed, Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind, The Calling, Nickelback, Lifehouse, and the first hit by Staind
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Post by MusicMan88 on Oct 25, 2007 1:33:29 GMT -5
Hmm I wish we could move the discussion back to the song! ;)
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Post by Chase on Oct 25, 2007 11:50:54 GMT -5
Hmm I wish we could move the discussion back to the song! ;) Actually, the current discussion is very much related to Sheryl Crow and the song. We're trying to "calculate" (via discussion) Sheryl's status as a Hot AC artist and determine this song's viability at the format. With the oversaturation of Pink and Kelly, two artists who have a different sound from Sheryl's, I just wonder if the direction the format has taken will support Sheryl's music much longer. Try to keep up
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 25, 2007 14:55:19 GMT -5
Think the reason that this thread has moved away from discussion about the song is that...no one has heard the song!!
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Post by vinyl on Oct 27, 2007 11:08:55 GMT -5
o1. This is not a hit. o2. This almost sounds like it's from Tuesday Night Music Club, albeit maybe a bit more Sheryl Crow era lyrically. o3. The uber-glossy production is NOT THERE, thank god. o4. It is pretty damn good. :)
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Post by MusicMan88 on Oct 28, 2007 14:34:20 GMT -5
The full song is out there...
And I definitely don't think this will be a hit for her. There's not a real hook and I'm not sure if radio will be receptive of such a blatantly political song.
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Post by galvanize on Oct 28, 2007 14:55:28 GMT -5
And I definitely don't think this will be a hit for her. There's not a real hook and I'm not sure if radio will be receptive of such a blatantly political song. I think it does - the chorus is very reminiscent of "Leaving Las Vegas"-"If It Makes You Happy". It'll definitely make top 10 on Hot AC and *maybe* top 40 on CHR/Pop. Such a grower!
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Post by barryhatchet on Oct 28, 2007 15:27:47 GMT -5
I've read the lyrics and I don't get the 'blatantly political' charge.
It sounds like your typical stream of consciousness Sheryl Crow song to me.
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Post by Chase on Oct 28, 2007 16:32:34 GMT -5
The full song is out there... And I definitely don't think this will be a hit for her. There's not a real hook and I'm not sure if radio will be receptive of such a blatantly political song. Radio was pretty damn receptive to "Waiting On The World to Change." If that song isn't politically charged, I don't know what is.
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Post by vinyl on Oct 28, 2007 20:12:00 GMT -5
Waiting On The World to change was way catchier and more accessible lyrically though.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 28, 2007 22:20:59 GMT -5
I wanna hear it! Sounds fun!
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 29, 2007 15:31:22 GMT -5
Lyrically, this is among her finest singles to date (assuming she did co-write the lyrics, as her longtime guitarist has generally been the chief songwriter) and easily her best since her self-titled era.
Having said that, the song is too dense, both lyrically and musically, to become a hit beyond Triple A. It's a shame, because this is much better than virtually anything from her last two studio albums ("C'mon C'mon", "Wildflower") in terms of quality, and this will all but certainly be overlooked.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by vinyl on Oct 29, 2007 17:28:03 GMT -5
Lyrically, this is among her finest singles to date (assuming she did co-write the lyrics, as her longtime guitarist has generally been the chief songwriter) and easily her best since her self-titled era. Has he really? She's written many of her songs on her own; I don't think she would release this if she hadn't written it.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 29, 2007 17:55:02 GMT -5
Lyrically, this is among her finest singles to date (assuming she did co-write the lyrics, as her longtime guitarist has generally been the chief songwriter) and easily her best since her self-titled era. Has he really? She's written many of her songs on her own; I don't think she would release this if she hadn't written it. As time has went on, Sheryl Crow has written more of her own songs, beginning particularly with the "C'mon C'mon" era. Prior to that era, however, Jeff Trott was the chief songwriter on many of her hit songs on the self-titled album and "The Globe Sessions", and "Tuesday Night Music Club" was a democratic effort all-around in terms of songwriting before Trott came around. Jeff Trott actually wrote most of the lyrics for "If It Makes You Happy", "Everyday Is A Winding Road", "A Change (Would Do You Good)" and "My Favorite Mistake", with Crow adding a punch of lyrics to them (although Crow did write "Home" and "Anything But Down" herself) Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by vinyl on Oct 29, 2007 18:30:53 GMT -5
Has he really? She's written many of her songs on her own; I don't think she would release this if she hadn't written it. As time has went on, Sheryl Crow has written more of her own songs, beginning particularly with the "C'mon C'mon" era. Prior to that era, however, Jeff Trott was the chief songwriter on many of her hit songs on the self-titled album and "The Globe Sessions", and "Tuesday Night Music Club" was a democratic effort all-around in terms of songwriting before Trott came around. Jeff Trott actually wrote most of the lyrics for "If It Makes You Happy", "Everyday Is A Winding Road", "A Change (Would Do You Good)" and "My Favorite Mistake", with Crow adding a punch of lyrics to them (although Crow did write "Home" and "Anything But Down" herself) Sincerely, Noah Eaton Ah, I didn't know he did most of the lyrics! It's a bit surprising to me that she would write full songs herself and then use someone else's lyrics for other songs. Well then I guess this song's lyrics are quite similar to Jeff's style so who knows really.
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