CHR vs Hot AC

[marv1978]

i just noticed it takes 175 spins by Phoenix to take #50 on HOT AC & 371 by Maroon 5 "Give a Little More" at #40 VS Pitbull at #50 with 128 spins & 222 spins for Katy Perry at #40 on CHR...

so:
CHR top 50= 128 spins
HOT AC 50= 175 spins

CHR top 40= 222 spins
HOT AC 40= 371 spins

Hot AC is competitive right now and alot of radio industry insiders consider it the new pop, while CHR is demoed for the younger tween/teen young qdult female audience leaning more rhythmic than rock definatly.

[wastedtime]

What charts are you looking at?

[Hook]

I think your numbers are wrong. I just looked at the CHR chart and Bruno Mars is #50 with 408 spins. #40 is Katy Perry with 789 spins. Definitely more than Hot AC.

I definitely think HAC has emerged as a great alternative to CHR, but they do tend to play hit songs less often.

[marv1978]

Oct 20, 2010 17:07:05 GMT -5 Hook said:

I think your numbers are wrong. I just looked at the CHR chart and Bruno Mars is #50 with 408 spins. #40 is Katy Perry with 789 spins. Definitely more than Hot AC.

I definitely think HAC has emerged as a great alternative to CHR, but they do tend to play hit songs less often.

Hot AC
Published Chart : By Rank TW
lw: Oct 3 - Oct 9 TW: Oct 10 - Oct 16


Rank Spins
lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move Aud/mill
1 1 MAROON 5 Misery 4239 4488 -249 20.523
3 2 KATY PERRY Teenage Dream 4148 4005 143 21.968
2 3 DAUGHTRY September 4139 4071 68 22.905
4 4 SARA BAREILLES King Of Anything 3616 3604 12 16.778
6 5 NEON TREES Animal 3605 3212 393 19.043
5 6 TRAIN If It's Love 3319 3547 -228 16.259
7 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Mine 2795 2590 205 15.249
11 8 ONEREPUBLIC Secrets 2656 2367 289 12.558
10 9 ENRIQUE IGLESIAS I Like It f/Pitbull 2524 2418 106 12.668
9 10 LIFEHOUSE All In 2514 2499 15 14.58
17 11 BRUNO MARS Just The Way You Are 2471 2031 440 15.377
14 12 TAIO CRUZ Dynamite 2383 2166 217 13.702
8 13 MIKE POSNER Cooler Than Me 2286 2587 -301 10.917
12 14 KATY PERRY California Gurls f/S... 2175 2347 -172 12.078
18 15 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 1995 1936 59 10.722
16 16 LADY ANTEBELLUM I Run To You 1797 2040 -243 8.627
13 17 GOO GOO DOLLS Home 1761 2316 -555 8.763
19 18 PLAIN WHITE T'S Rhythm Of Love 1758 1628 130 8.7
21 19 BON JOVI What Do You Got 1330 1165 165 5.617
20 20 PARAMORE The Only Exception 1224 1430 -206 5.644
41 21 PINK Raise Your Glass 1183 310 873 7.759
22 22 MICHAEL FRANTI & SPEARHEAD The Sound Of Sunshin... 986 897 89 3.796
24 23 CHRISTINA PERRI Jar Of Hearts 817 749 68 3.812
23 24 BRANDON FLOWERS Crossfire 771 863 -92 2.115
37 25 TRAIN Marry Me 706 387 319 2.991
26 26 USHER F/PITBULL DJ Got Us Fallin' In... 669 544 125 2.993
28 27 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It 577 529 48 2.825
31 28 RYAN STAR Start A Fire 564 469 95 2.007
27 29 KE$HA Take It Off 550 537 13 2.027
30 30 SWITCHFOOT Your Love Is A Song 515 503 12 1.185
35 31 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Strip Me 500 432 68 1.433
38 32 MICHAEL BUBLE Hollywood 497 387 110 1.947
36 33 RIHANNA Only Girl (In The Wo... 490 427 63 1.696
25 34 LA ROUX Bulletproof 490 547 -57 3.585
39 35 NELLY Just A Dream 468 376 92 1.668
34 36 EMINEM Love The Way You Lie... 438 438 0 2.145
33 37 FIVE FOR FIGHTING Slice 409 439 -30 1.35
32 38 B.O.B Airplanes f/Hayley W... 389 456 -67 1.734
40 39 HEDLEY Perfect 382 339 43 1.113
70 40 MAROON 5 Give A Little More 371 71 300 2.451
42 41 FLORENCE + THE MACHINE Dog Days Are Over 329 299 30 0.473
46 42 CEE LO GREEN F**k You (Forget You... 248 209 39 0.729
48 43 FLO RIDA Club Can't Handle Me... 236 192 44 0.801
47 44 KT TUNSTALL Fade Like A Shadow 232 208 24 0.257
45 45 ZAC BROWN BAND Free 232 212 20 0.512
59 46 SICK PUPPIES Maybe 219 118 101 1.136
56 47 LINKIN PARK Waiting For The End 193 142 51 0.765
44 48 JOSHUA RADIN Streetlight 189 220 -31 0.249
53 49 INGRID MICHAELSON Parachute 188 149 39 0.367
49 50 PHOENIX 1901 175 186 -11 0.501
Abbreviated chart. See Mediabase.com for full chart and detailed information.


Top 40
Published Chart : By Rank TW
lw: Oct 10 - Oct 12 TW: Oct 17 - Oct 19


Rank Spins Daily Spins
lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move Sun Mon
1 1 MARS, BRUNO Just The Way You Are 3556 3548 8 1868 1688
2 2 PERRY, KATY Teenage Dream 3271 3510 -239 1704 1567
3 3 USHER F/PITBULL DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love 3118 3096 22 1613 1505
5 4 NELLY Just A Dream 3041 2623 418 1599 1442
8 5 FAR EAST MOVEMENT Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev 2513 2232 281 1297 1216
4 6 CRUZ, TAIO Dynamite 2505 2871 -366 1293 1212
9 7 RIHANNA Only Girl (In The World) 2383 2173 210 1200 1183
7 8 FLO RIDA Club Can't Handle Me f/DGuetta 2320 2274 46 1167 1153
6 9 IGLESIAS, ENRIQUE I Like It f/Pitbull 2073 2317 -244 1044 1029
12 10 NEON TREES Animal 1755 1626 129 862 893
13 11 SWIFT, TAYLOR Mine 1613 1573 40 784 829
10 12 KE$HA Take It Off 1612 1943 -331 746 866
11 13 EMINEM Love The Way You Lie f/Rihanna 1566 1696 -130 795 771
14 14 ONEREPUBLIC Secrets 1423 1478 -55 713 710
25 15 PINK Raise Your Glass 1318 620 698 725 593
21 16 POSNER, MIKE Please Don't Go 1192 863 329 551 641
15 17 POSNER, MIKE Cooler Than Me 1160 1280 -120 559 601
16 18 GREEN, CEE LO F**k You (Forget You) 1093 1145 -52 473 620
19 19 TRAIN If It's Love 1065 984 81 519 546
22 20 READY SET Love Like Woe 991 853 138 454 537
23 21 WILL.I.AM & NICKI MINAJ Check It Out 886 728 158 384 502
17 22 MAROON 5 Misery 885 1079 -194 371 514
18 23 SEAN, JAY 2012 (It Ain't The End) 872 1003 -131 356 516
28 24 SONGZ, TREY Bottoms Up f/Nicki Minaj 815 566 249 425 390
26 25 DAUGHTRY September 684 607 77 325 359
27 26 USHER Hot Tottie f/Jay-Z 647 585 62 254 393
30 27 MCCARTNEY, JESSE Shake 582 469 113 316 266
29 28 KINGSTON, SEAN Letting Go (Dutty Love) 559 535 24 260 299
31 29 BAREILLES, SARA King Of Anything 543 432 111 274 269
20 30 LAMBERT, ADAM If I Had You 525 923 -398 192 333
24 31 B.O.B Magic f/Rivers Cuomo 517 699 -182 212 305
32 32 AKON Angel 413 344 69 196 217
33 33 GUETTA, DAVID Memories f/Kid Cudi 355 321 34 170 185
34 34 CRUZ, TAIO Dirty Picture f/Ke$ha 337 313 24 164 173
39 35 DERULO, JASON What If 327 259 68 176 151
36 36 MCCOY, TRAVIE Need You 303 288 15 163 140
37 37 3OH!3 Double Vision 282 277 5 148 134
38 38 SHONTELLE Perfect Nightmare 271 260 11 138 133
40 39 GOOD CHARLOTTE Like It's Her Birthday 263 238 25 146 117
53 40 PERRY, KATY Firework 222 78 144 129 93
43 41 SICK PUPPIES Maybe 203 173 30 106 97
41 42 BROWN, CHRIS Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall 201 196 5 103 98
42 43 BEDINGFIELD, NATASHA Strip Me 195 192 3 106 89
45 44 YOLANDA BE COOL & DCUP We No Speak Americano 179 119 60 89 90
44 45 MAYA, EDWARD Stereo Love 176 137 39 89 87
35 46 RUNNER RUNNER So Obvious 174 291 -117 88 86
51 47 WILLOW Whip My Hair 141 85 56 69 72
46 48 MOHOMBI Bumpy Ride 134 109 25 70 64
-- 49 KE$HA We R Who We R 129 0 129 90 39
52 50 PITBULL Hey Baby (Drop It To The... 128 83 45 64 64
Abbreviated chart. See Mediabase.com for full chart and detailed information.


It comes in my radio email box every Tuesday from mediabase ???

[marv1978]

Oct 20, 2010 14:13:54 GMT -5 wastedtime said:

What charts are you looking at?

see below, it comes to me in my radio email inbox from mediabase & dmds every tuesday ???

[Hook]

I have no idea where that CHR chart came from. But #1 is getting over 12,000 spins right now. It's shown on the All Access Mediabase chart.

[marv1978]

Oct 20, 2010 17:53:21 GMT -5 Hook said:

I have no idea where that CHR chart came from. But #1 is getting over 12,000 spins right now. It's shown on the All Access Mediabase chart.

idk lol, thats what i get every week,it also shows the adds and taking off,spincrease in the email and cool new music too. maybe it's only monitoring certain stations on both formats ???

[musicfanpete]

Oct 20, 2010 18:09:48 GMT -5 @marv1978 said:

Oct 20, 2010 17:53:21 GMT -5 Hook said:

I have no idea where that CHR chart came from. But #1 is getting over 12,000 spins right now. It's shown on the All Access Mediabase chart.

idk lol, thats what i get every week,it also shows the adds and taking off,spincrease in the email and cool new music too. maybe it's only monitoring certain stations on both formats ???

Well it looks like it's pretty close to the full panel on the Hot AC chart, but yeah, I have no clue where this CHR chart is getting their numbers from. That is definitely not the official one.

[Devin]

i get a newsletter from all-access/mediabase like that too, but I don't think it's the actual chart, it's some other kind of chart (like an indicator chart).

[atlantaboy]

Yeah no clue where that CHR chart came from - the rankings of the songs are about right, but the number of plays is something like 1/4 of the plays each song is actually getting on pop - weird that they send you that chart...

[daveman]

Oct 20, 2010 17:44:53 GMT -5 @marv1978 said:

Top 40
Published Chart : By Rank TW
lw: Oct 10 - Oct 12 TW: Oct 17 - Oct 19

That chart only shows figures for a 3 day window. Not sure why they send it, but that's why the numbers are so different...

[Devin]

Ahh I see now

[marv1978]

Oct 20, 2010 23:50:06 GMT -5 daveman said:

Oct 20, 2010 17:44:53 GMT -5 @marv1978 said:

Top 40
Published Chart : By Rank TW
lw: Oct 10 - Oct 12 TW: Oct 17 - Oct 19

That chart only shows figures for a 3 day window. Not sure why they send it, but that's why the numbers are so different...

aww, makes sense now

[Marv]

The gap between the number of spins which a single gets at top 40 radio as opposed to Hot AC soared during the course of the previous decade as top 40 stations really started increasing the number of weekly spins they gave their 'powers'.

Put it this way--if 'Over & Over' by Nelly & Tim averaged a shade under 94 SPSPW (Spins Per Station Per Week), far & away the highest for any single of the decade ('Bleeding Love' & 'In The End' were some 14 SPSPW behind), you can imagine how many times a week some stations out there really played 'Over & Over'.

Going back a few years for the sake of comparing numbers..

December 19, 1997---'Tubthumping is #1 for the 4th straight week @ R&R with 7448 spins on all of the 136 stations on the panel, for an average of 54.7 SPSPW.

Over at Hot AC, 'Tubthumping' spends a second week on top, having displaced Paula Cole's 'I Don't Want To Wait' two weeks earlier; 3298 spins from 82 of the format's 94 reporters equals 39.2 SPSPW.

Going back five years, to November 4, 2005....

At CHR/Pop, Kanye West is at #1 with 'Gold Digger'; 8958 spins from 115 of 124 reporters equals a hefty 77.9 SPSPW.

Over at Hot AC, Green Day is on top with 'Wake Me Up When September Ends'; 3007 spins from 83 of 84 panel reporters equals 36.2 SPSPW.

[musicfanpete]

Oct 23, 2010 14:08:19 GMT -5 Marv said:

The gap between the number of spins which a single gets at top 40 radio as opposed to Hot AC soared during the course of the previous decade as top 40 stations really started increasing the number of weekly spins they gave their 'powers'.

Put it this way--if 'Over & Over' by Nelly & Tim averaged a shade under 94 SPSPW (Spins Per Station Per Week), far & away the highest for any single of the decade ('Bleeding Love' & 'In The End' were some 14 SPSPW behind), you can imagine how many times a week some stations out there really played 'Over & Over'.

Going back a few years for the sake of comparing numbers..

December 19, 1997---'Tubthumping is #1 for the 4th straight week @ R&R with 7448 spins on all of the 136 stations on the panel, for an average of 54.7 SPSPW.

Over at Hot AC, 'Tubthumping' spends a second week on top, having displaced Paula Cole's 'I Don't Want To Wait' two weeks earlier; 3298 spins from 82 of the format's 94 reporters equals 39.2 SPSPW.

Going back five years, to November 4, 2005....

At CHR/Pop, Kanye West is at #1 with 'Gold Digger'; 8958 spins from 115 of 124 reporters equals a hefty 77.9 SPSPW.

Over at Hot AC, Green Day is on top with 'Wake Me Up When September Ends'; 3007 spins from 83 of 84 panel reporters equals 36.2 SPSPW.

Yeah, if anything Hot AC SPSPW have stayed stagnant or even dropped slightly over the years, though it's probably gone up somewhat over the last two or three years due to the CHR leaning reporters skewing the chart a bit.