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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Apr 23, 2010 12:59:41 GMT -5
While I've mentioned before that I'd be in favor of some sort of rule that discounts spins when a song reaches a certain age, I think the best simple solution would be 20/20. Definitely. Hopefully you have had a chance to browse the popradiotop20.com website as this is exactly how he compiles these charts. I have (thanks again). What would happen in that scenario would be that a bunch of songs would peak at #21 or just below. If that were the case, maybe just maybe stations might be inspired just enough to play this bunch enough so that the lingerers at the bottom end of the Top 20 would drop out. Of course, that wouldn't actually happen, as we saw about ten years ago. |
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 23, 2010 13:39:52 GMT -5
Definitely. Hopefully you have had a chance to browse the popradiotop20.com website as this is exactly how he compiles these charts. I have (thanks again). What would happen in that scenario would be that a bunch of songs would peak at #21 or just below. If that were the case, maybe just maybe stations might be inspired just enough to play this bunch enough so that the lingerers at the bottom end of the Top 20 would drop out. Of course, that wouldn't actually happen, as we saw about ten years ago. No problem. Theoretically, that would be great if that would happen. But as you said tim, it didn't happen ten years ago, and it wouldn't happen now. I would just like to see Hot AC stations break more new artists that would fit their core. Again, not that I mind seeing certain pop-crossover hits do well, but it would be nice to see more artists break through here as well. It's nice to see artists like The Script, Kings Of Leon and Carolina Liar do well on the Hot AC chart, but what about all the artists that attempt to get their songs heard but fall through the cracks. Erin McCarley and Angel Taylor (so far) are just two examples of artists who have failed to make a huge impact in this format. Even Ingrid Michaelson to a lesser extent as both of her songs should have easily made the top 10, but fell short. |
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Apr 23, 2010 14:31:13 GMT -5
I have (thanks again). What would happen in that scenario would be that a bunch of songs would peak at #21 or just below. If that were the case, maybe just maybe stations might be inspired just enough to play this bunch enough so that the lingerers at the bottom end of the Top 20 would drop out. Of course, that wouldn't actually happen, as we saw about ten years ago. No problem. Theoretically, that would be great if that would happen. But as you said tim, it didn't happen ten years ago, and it wouldn't happen now. I would just like to see Hot AC stations break more new artists that would fit their core. Again, not that I mind seeing certain pop-crossover hits do well, but it would be nice to see more artists break through here as well. It's nice to see artists like The Script, Kings Of Leon and Carolina Liar do well on the Hot AC chart, but what about all the artists that attempt to get their songs heard but fall through the cracks. Erin McCarley and Angel Taylor (so far) are just two examples of artists who have failed to make a huge impact in this format. Even Ingrid Michaelson to a lesser extent as both of her songs should have easily made the top 10, but fell short. I would wager that you, I, Hot AC Guru, The Max, and others who post here would essentially agree on one thing when it comes to recurrents: The problem with slow-moving charts isn't the recurrent rules, rather it's the lack of risk-taking that Program Directors are employing regarding the music they play. I think that this has always been a problem to a certain extent, we just didn't realize it until the PPW era began in 1994 (although, the charts were slowing down a bit in the couple of years before that). CHR stations by definition have to be on top of the new music being released - that is part of the appeal to their audience. Hot AC stations, on the other hand, will often use a strategy based on what they do not play, i.e. "If you want to hear Britney, go elsewhere". Of course, I think this is a horses*it strategy, and sure enough, stations which do this tend not to last very long. I often think there is a lot of correlation between Hot AC and AAA (as I listen to both myself). It seems that the latter is much more artist-focused, and by definition will play more album tracks than does Hot AC. I think this might be because their audience isn't as fickle as Hot AC's - if you tune in to KFOG, our AAA station, you're more likely than not to stay the entire day. On the other hand, if your typical Hot AC listener has an aversion to Britney, and "Circus" comes on, they're more likely to tune in to something else, and not come back. So I think that might be an issue with bringing in new music to Hot AC - the expectation of their listeners is that they have little tolerance for change. Of course, it's also a case of underestimating the intelligence of the listener. In this day and age, with so many other avenues for finding new music, it could be that Hot AC PD's realize that playing it safe is the best way to hold on their jobs. Which may be technically true, but in the long run is just going to siphon off more listeners. |
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 23, 2010 16:25:16 GMT -5
No problem. Theoretically, that would be great if that would happen. But as you said tim, it didn't happen ten years ago, and it wouldn't happen now. I would just like to see Hot AC stations break more new artists that would fit their core. Again, not that I mind seeing certain pop-crossover hits do well, but it would be nice to see more artists break through here as well. It's nice to see artists like The Script, Kings Of Leon and Carolina Liar do well on the Hot AC chart, but what about all the artists that attempt to get their songs heard but fall through the cracks. Erin McCarley and Angel Taylor (so far) are just two examples of artists who have failed to make a huge impact in this format. Even Ingrid Michaelson to a lesser extent as both of her songs should have easily made the top 10, but fell short. I would wager that you, I, Hot AC Guru, The Max, and others who post here would essentially agree on one thing when it comes to recurrents: The problem with slow-moving charts isn't the recurrent rules, rather it's the lack of risk-taking that Program Directors are employing regarding the music they play. I think that this has always been a problem to a certain extent, we just didn't realize it until the PPW era began in 1994 (although, the charts were slowing down a bit in the couple of years before that). CHR stations by definition have to be on top of the new music being released - that is part of the appeal to their audience. Hot AC stations, on the other hand, will often use a strategy based on what they do not play, i.e. "If you want to hear Britney, go elsewhere". Of course, I think this is a horses*it strategy, and sure enough, stations which do this tend not to last very long. I often think there is a lot of correlation between Hot AC and AAA (as I listen to both myself). It seems that the latter is much more artist-focused, and by definition will play more album tracks than does Hot AC. I think this might be because their audience isn't as fickle as Hot AC's - if you tune in to KFOG, our AAA station, you're more likely than not to stay the entire day. On the other hand, if your typical Hot AC listener has an aversion to Britney, and "Circus" comes on, they're more likely to tune in to something else, and not come back. So I think that might be an issue with bringing in new music to Hot AC - the expectation of their listeners is that they have little tolerance for change. Of course, it's also a case of underestimating the intelligence of the listener. In this day and age, with so many other avenues for finding new music, it could be that Hot AC PD's realize that playing it safe is the best way to hold on their jobs. Which may be technically true, but in the long run is just going to siphon off more listeners. Great post! While my local Hot AC station WTMX plays a good variety of music and is a bit more CHR leaning than some Hot AC stations, they do get some new music on, but a lot of it is buried during the evenings into the overnight hours. If they "test" well, they eventually get played during all dayparts. Occasionally a hot song will get play in all dayparts right out of the box, but that's not always the case. I think dayparting is another reason for some to dislike Hot AC stations. If the song is fit for play on the format, it should be played in all dayparts from the get go. If a Hot AC station decides to play a song like "Imma Be" by the Black Eyed Peas though, I can see that getting night only play, but then again, that probably does not belong on the format anyway. The Mix does have a great show that you may want to check out at WTMX.com. It's called "New Tunes At Nine" which plays an ecclectic variety of songs (including a new one to vote on) each night. It runs seven days a week at 9 PM our time, which would be 7 PM your time. So if you are looking for a Hot AC playing great new music, this would be the station to check out, even if it's for only one hour a day. |
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Post by wavetunes on Apr 24, 2010 17:08:19 GMT -5
^ Great post guys! Speaking of pathetic, the AC chart recurrent rules have turned this into a joke as well. There is more than an 800 spin gap between the #8 and #9 songs because of their stupid recurrent rule. And that's not even the best part. How about an artist "earning" a top 40 "hit" with less than 40 spins?!  Uhh, how about no?! The AC chart probably should be canceled. Don't they play old music most of the time? Or, maybe there should be a rule to restrict the percentage of the recurrent/old songs that get played. Some terrible songs get to chart there. If a few stations play a song as a favor for someone (I won't call them "artists", LOL), it basically gets on the chart. |
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 24, 2010 17:27:59 GMT -5
^ Great post guys! Speaking of pathetic, the AC chart recurrent rules have turned this into a joke as well. There is more than an 800 spin gap between the #8 and #9 songs because of their stupid recurrent rule. And that's not even the best part. How about an artist "earning" a top 40 "hit" with less than 40 spins?! Uhh, how about no?! The AC chart probably should be canceled. Don't they play old music most of the time? Or, maybe there should be a rule to restrict the percentage of the recurrent/old songs that get played. Some terrible songs get to chart there. If a few stations play a song as a favor for someone (I won't call them "artists", LOL), it basically gets on the chart. Oh, you mean Lady Gaga is not an AC artist?  |
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Post by wavetunes on Apr 24, 2010 17:35:47 GMT -5
^ Great post guys! The AC chart probably should be canceled. Don't they play old music most of the time? Or, maybe there should be a rule to restrict the percentage of the recurrent/old songs that get played. Some terrible songs get to chart there. If a few stations play a song as a favor for someone (I won't call them "artists", LOL), it basically gets on the chart. Oh, you mean Lady Gaga is not an AC artist? LOLOL!!! How about Ke$ha? |
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Apr 28, 2010 13:52:34 GMT -5
[blue] 04/25/10 [/blue] #1: "Need You Now" holds at the #1 spot for a sixth week. Oldest Song:"Hey, Soul Sister" with 36 weeks. Oldest Song below #15: "Replay" with 20 weeks Songs below #5 eligible to go recurrent when falling below #10: "Halfway Gone", "All the Right Moves", "Haven't Met You Yet" Songs below #10 eligible to go recurrent when falling below #15: "Heartbreak Warfare", "Bad Romance" Going to Recurrent "Replay" will go next week. Biggest Mover: "Glitter in the Air" leaps 8 notches to #30 to tie Train's "If It Isn't Love" (39-31) for the week's biggest move. Debuts: John Mayer earns his 14th Hot AC hit and the week's highest debut at #29 with "Half of My Heart". Rob Thomas extends his lead as the act with the most overall hits, as "Mockingbird" debuts at #40. Counting all the hits he has been on, Rob has charted 23 times. Exiting the Survey: "Syndicate", 14 weeks "Let It Go", 8 weeks Other Notes: The top 5 songs remain the same position for the third week in a row. Adam Lambert rises 3 notches to #6. No songs enter or exit the top 10 this week. 8 of the top 10 songs hold steady. Colbie Caillat inches closer to her 5th top 10 as "I Never Told You" moves 13-11. No songs enter or exit the top 20 again this week. After being the biggest mover just 2 weeks ago, "Today Was a Fairytale" loses its bullet and slips to #22. "Fearless Love" rebounds to a new peak of #24. Angel Taylor breaks into the top 30 at #28 with "Like You Do". "Hurtful" gets pushed back to #35 but still has a bullet. In the same vein, "Rude Boy" falls 1 to #36 but still has a bullet. This is the 16th anniversary of the Hot AC chart. Only one act was on the first chart and on the current chart: Melissa Etheridge. Ouch! of the Week: "You Run Away" and "Should Be Loved" each slip 7 notches, to numbers 32 and 37 respectively. Song with the biggest spin increase: "This Afternoon" (Nearly a 300 spin increase). Song with the biggest spin loss: "According to You" (Over a 200 spin loss) Top 50 Hot AC chart can be found at: www.americasmusiccharts.com/index.cgi?fmt=A2 All chart data © Mediabase Research |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2010 8:33:29 GMT -5
The Script has a realisitic chance for #1. I hope they'll make it there and block Lambert from getting to the top...
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Post by wavetunes on May 2, 2010 14:24:29 GMT -5
Rob Thomas, Train, John Mayer, and Nickelback all have new singles moving very fast up the chart. Daughtry also has a new, and a very good, HAC single coming out very soon. It'll be interesting to see how they will fare against each other.
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Uhh, how about no?!