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Post by HereIsGone on Jun 19, 2011 9:40:35 GMT -5
WTF! This is still not making in top 50 yet? Adds date please! this need to explode on Hot AC. It might show up next week if she quietly went for adds this week.
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Post by chillpill on Jun 24, 2011 20:34:17 GMT -5
She's flopping isn't she? :'(
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Post by HereIsGone on Jun 25, 2011 7:00:25 GMT -5
God. It's annoying that this hasn't made top 50 when stupid songs from LMFAO get in. HAC needs a slap.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 25, 2011 10:53:20 GMT -5
Hot AC is gradually shifting. I'm thinking Michelle needs to try to aim for AC, which in itself sucks, although AC is also shifting to what Hot AC was about ten years ago.
I hope this does do well enough because I don't want her album to be stalled again. I'm looking forward to the new record.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 25, 2011 14:07:47 GMT -5
Hot AC is gradually shifting. I'm thinking Michelle needs to try to aim for AC, which in itself sucks, although AC is also shifting to what Hot AC was about ten years ago. I hope this does do well enough because I don't want her album to be stalled again. I'm looking forward to the new record. AC would probably be better for her, but the problem with that format is most stations will not add more than a few songs a month, if that! But interesting you mention AC as the New York and Chicago Fresh stations have already added this song to their playlists. But another problem looming is that the Chicago Fresh station may be on life support as their ratings continue to tank. Still, I give both of these stations credit for thinking out of the box and giving her a shot at a hit there. Perhaps this could be a future top 20 AC hit, but it doesn't seem like things are going her way on Hot AC radio so far. When songs by Pitbull and the aforementioned LMFAO get more out of the box support than Michelle Branch at "Hot AC" radio, you know there are some issues with this format!
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 25, 2011 14:11:27 GMT -5
Hot AC is gradually shifting. I'm thinking Michelle needs to try to aim for AC, which in itself sucks, although AC is also shifting to what Hot AC was about ten years ago. Hot AC shafted her though two years ago (when Sooner Or Later flopped), and I'm not sure her label had enough confidence in this to send it for adds I don't think artists can "aim for AC" though, cause it's just not a current-based music format, and it basically just plays what has already been established as a hit on Hot AC
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Jun 25, 2011 17:14:06 GMT -5
. When songs by Pitbull and the aforementioned LMFAO get more out of the box support than Michelle Branch at "Hot AC" radio, you know there are some issues with this format! Couldn't have said it better myself!!
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Post by TellMeALie on Jun 25, 2011 17:16:36 GMT -5
imma just got ape shit on todays music. ahhh
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 25, 2011 19:03:02 GMT -5
. When songs by Pitbull and the aforementioned LMFAO get more out of the box support than Michelle Branch at "Hot AC" radio, you know there are some issues with this format! Couldn't have said it better myself!! I don't get it though. I mean, I understand the frustration when there isn't really a format for acts we love from 5-10 years ago who actually do rely on radio as a form of advertising. I doubt Michelle Branch could rely on anything else to sell concerts and albums because her career was centered around her radio hits. So not having a home format makes it difficult for her and others like her. But that's the way it is unfortunately. Formats evolve and change as the listeners get older. Hot AC isn't going to cater to the people that listened to it back in 2001. It's going to cater to the age demographic it did back then, perhaps the same people CHR-pop did back then who have moved on from what CHR offers today. That means throwing in some of the more beat-based and dance songs like LMFAO and Pitbull. Lighter fare and chart veterans that don't evolve will get relocated. Someone mentioned the addition of a new radio format that is like a mixture of Triple A and Hot AC without the beats and stuff? I'd think that format could do well and Michelle would be suited for it.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Jun 25, 2011 19:42:40 GMT -5
Yeah I know Max, I just like to complain about it! As I've stated many times before, the reason I protest the change is 1) I'm getting "old" :) 2) There's nowhere to go after Hot AC. I went from Pop to HAC, but AC is a wasteland for the most part in terms of current music.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 25, 2011 21:48:54 GMT -5
Are there really that many Hot ACs playing LMFAO and Pitbull? There are a bunch that go Hot AC during the workday and CHR at night (when more kids are listening, and most adults are watching Prime Time TV)...
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 25, 2011 22:52:30 GMT -5
Yeah I know Max, I just like to complain about it! As I've stated many times before, the reason I protest the change is 1) I'm getting "old" :) 2) There's nowhere to go after Hot AC. I went from Pop to HAC, but AC is a wasteland for the most part in terms of current music. Haha. I understand. I typically prefer the charts of hot AC or Triple A over pop and in time I'm sure it will continue to evolve but I don't think I could ever move to AC.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 25, 2011 23:50:53 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself!! I don't get it though. I mean, I understand the frustration when there isn't really a format for acts we love from 5-10 years ago who actually do rely on radio as a form of advertising. I doubt Michelle Branch could rely on anything else to sell concerts and albums because her career was centered around her radio hits. So not having a home format makes it difficult for her and others like her. But that's the way it is unfortunately. Formats evolve and change as the listeners get older. Hot AC isn't going to cater to the people that listened to it back in 2001. It's going to cater to the age demographic it did back then, perhaps the same people CHR-pop did back then who have moved on from what CHR offers today. That means throwing in some of the more beat-based and dance songs like LMFAO and Pitbull. Lighter fare and chart veterans that don't evolve will get relocated. Someone mentioned the addition of a new radio format that is like a mixture of Triple A and Hot AC without the beats and stuff? I'd think that format could do well and Michelle would be suited for it. Well isn't this "new" format of Triple A and Hot AC without the beats technically still Hot AC of a more traditional sound and called Modern AC? Yeah, those stations that lean Modern will probably be more likely to add this song, but it's possible it might tank there too. That's a separate issue though. Those who have read my previous posts on this subject know I take a middle of the road approach to where the Hot AC format has evolved too. I have always said I don't mind some rhythmic product on Hot AC radio, but it has to be mass appeal type of music that appeals to adults. "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love" by Usher or "Dynamite" by Taio Cruz are two of those fun songs that appeal just as much to 40 year old adults as they do to the teen crowd. But the minute they start playing the Pitbull and LMFAO is the time that the format needs to be reevaluated, or at least the stations that call themselves "Hot AC" that are playing these types of songs.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 25, 2011 23:55:05 GMT -5
Are there really that many Hot ACs playing LMFAO and Pitbull? There are a bunch that go Hot AC during the workday and CHR at night (when more kids are listening, and most adults are watching Prime Time TV)... Those stations that split formats like that would traditionally fall into the category of CHR as they heavily depart their music to cater to adults during the workday. I think the Hot AC format as it is now needs to be reclassified as an Adult CHR or Adult Top 40 format as a direct subclass of mainstream CHR stations. Then those stations that are less rhythmic in presentation but still heavy on currents can fall into a newly formatted Hot AC or Modern AC category. Like I said above I don't mind some rhythmic product on Hot AC radio, but when rap and hip-hop start encroaching into the likes of Michelle Branch or The Script, then the format is in trouble. This would be called the extreme phase of a format, as many radio columnists would call it.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 26, 2011 10:59:23 GMT -5
Are there really that many Hot ACs playing LMFAO and Pitbull? There are a bunch that go Hot AC during the workday and CHR at night (when more kids are listening, and most adults are watching Prime Time TV)... Those stations that split formats like that would traditionally fall into the category of CHR as they heavily depart their music to cater to adults during the workday. I completely agree with you, man - unfortunately, though, Mediabase and BDS classify most of those stations as Hot AC though (even though they're CHR at night), which is why LMFAO and Pitbull are showing up on the HAC chart I guess Our Hot AC in Atlanta goes Modern AC at night, though, instead of CHR, and I kind of like it lol...if you listen during the day you hear a lot of Pink, Fergie, and softer songs from the 2000s, but from 6 p. m. on they play a lot of Thirty Seconds To Mars, My Chemical Romance, Parachute, etc. - so I basically listen to Alternative/AAA during the day, and Hot AC at night
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 26, 2011 12:38:54 GMT -5
Those stations that split formats like that would traditionally fall into the category of CHR as they heavily depart their music to cater to adults during the workday. I completely agree with you, man - unfortunately, though, Mediabase and BDS classify most of those stations as Hot AC though (even though they're CHR at night), which is why LMFAO and Pitbull are showing up on the HAC chart I guess Our Hot AC in Atlanta goes Modern AC at night, though, instead of CHR, and I kind of like it lol...if you listen during the day you hear a lot of Pink, Fergie, and softer songs from the 2000s, but from 6 p. m. on they play a lot of Thirty Seconds To Mars, My Chemical Romance, Parachute, etc. - so I basically listen to Alternative/AAA during the day, and Hot AC at night Hmmm, now that's a great idea! I will need to go onto Yes.com and look at some of their playlist. I also like that both national Hot AC countdowns keep that type of hip-hop music off of their countdowns, but for different reasons. Because of AT40's heavily recurrent lean, most of those songs have no shot of charting there. And Rick Dees tends to keep those songs off the chart as long as possible, and if one or two occasionally do chart they are usually not very long for the countdown anyway. Just to clarify my earlier posts, I'm not saying Hot AC doesn't embrace the core sound that made it a defining format anymore. Obviously the type of songs that gives the Hot AC format its unique sound by the likes of The Script, Daughtry, Adele, Kelly Clarkson, Coldplay, OneRepublic and others still do extremely well on the countdown. But with more stations giving up slots to these fringe type songs, it becomes harder for new artists to breakthrough on this format, and for older artists to reestablish themselves. But I don't think we are in a panic mode just yet, but it's a trend we have to watch closely before HAC becomes another rhythmic format.
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Post by Trent on Jun 27, 2011 1:06:45 GMT -5
Top 50 on Hot AC!
61 50 MICHELLE BRANCH Loud Music 225 117 108 0.531
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Post by gerry on Jun 27, 2011 12:36:01 GMT -5
Top 50 debut! Hopefully that will help the single get a few more adds.
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Post by HereIsGone on Jun 27, 2011 12:51:12 GMT -5
48, actually. (I assume things were taken off.)
59 48 MICHELLE BRANCH Loud Music 242 136 106 0.562
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 27, 2011 17:29:14 GMT -5
How's the line that separates the formats? I know a few years ago, there was barely a difference between Pop and Rhythmic except for the occasional rock songs that Pop would play. Back in the late 90s, wasn't Hot AC and Pop fairly similar?
I think as long as there's a clear distinction between any two formats, then all is well. But Hot AC shouldn't really be too similar to Rhythmic, nor should it be too similar to Rock or Country either. Though I guess with upbeat music really continuing its mass takeover, it's bound to make its move on Hot AC eventually.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 27, 2011 21:21:56 GMT -5
^It got 6 adds today, so it's definitely not dead - my Hot AC added it, but I think that's cause she's headlining a summer concert for them
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 27, 2011 21:26:52 GMT -5
^It got 6 adds today, so it's definitely not dead - my Hot AC added it, but I think that's cause she's headlining a summer concert for them No, that's actually a very good number of adds. Many big hits in the past have taken time to build momentum, and 6 adds may be enough to give her another 100 or so spin increase this week. That would probably put her in the top 40. After that, who knows.
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Post by Trent on Jun 28, 2011 8:37:43 GMT -5
I'm glad this get +22 spins update today, Top 40 here we go!
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Post by gerry on Jun 28, 2011 12:32:16 GMT -5
This should be going Top 40 sometime next week. Got another good amount of adds this week too and one being a Top 10 station.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 28, 2011 17:15:17 GMT -5
Has this even been officially pushed yet or was it just given a "soft launch"? Is there a date for the album? I'm wondering if promo is yet to actually begin.
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Post by HereIsGone on Jun 28, 2011 17:24:24 GMT -5
Has this even been officially pushed yet or was it just given a "soft launch"? Is there a date for the album? I'm wondering if promo is yet to actually begin. Don't quote me on this but I think her album's supposed to be out sometime September. I follow Michelle on Twitter and I'm getting the impression she's starting to do a little promotion for the album now.
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Post by Kurt on Jun 28, 2011 20:33:24 GMT -5
The album is set for a September release (specific date not confirmed); they appear to be pushing the single since a video is being produced (read something on Twitter about looking for extras on July 4).
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Post by gerry on Jun 29, 2011 11:35:29 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like they are going to start pushing the single. It currently hasn't really been getting a push but she's starting to do a bit of promo.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jun 29, 2011 20:32:25 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like they are going to start pushing the single. It currently hasn't really been getting a push but she's starting to do a bit of promo. I hope they didn't wait too long though. It has to be done before the song starts losing momentum up the charts.
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Post by gerry on Jul 1, 2011 12:38:00 GMT -5
No if anything, this would be perfect timing to do radio promo to get the single more adds and spins. Looks like it should be going Top 40 sometime mid next week.
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