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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 30, 2010 3:01:17 GMT -5
Looks like John Mayer may hit #1 with help from Taylor Swift. I still can't get over the fact that he paired up with her for an obvious advantage to get a hit. Taylor Swift is hardly in the track at all, so I don't know why you'd claim that, as it's clearly John Mayer's hit. He wrote it, he performs 97% of the vocals on it, he provides the guitars, he earned it. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 30, 2010 3:08:57 GMT -5
No Brakes - I just took a look at the charts and I think you are right. #4 may be possible. :) Boy, who are all these new acts breaking the top 40 on HotAC? I haven't heard of half of them. The format is really changing. I hope they can still make room for some more MB20 and Rob songs in the future. But look at the spins for Katy Perry - you think Rob will ever hit 4600 spins? Not likely...I think there are 4-5 HotAC stations that aren't keen on him or his music. So if Rob can hit #1 again it will most likely be with a lot less spins. Looks like John Mayer may hit #1 with help from Taylor Swift. I still can't get over the fact that he paired up with her for an obvious advantage to get a hit. Then again, what are the odds even a third of these new acts will have even a third of the longevity and degree of success Rob Thomas and matchbox twenty have? Track records seem much more important to me than individual single spin totals. If anything, I'd be envying Rob Thomas if I was virtually any of those new artists. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jul 30, 2010 6:47:05 GMT -5
No Brakes - I just took a look at the charts and I think you are right. #4 may be possible. :) Boy, who are all these new acts breaking the top 40 on HotAC? I haven't heard of half of them. The format is really changing. I hope they can still make room for some more MB20 and Rob songs in the future. But look at the spins for Katy Perry - you think Rob will ever hit 4600 spins? Not likely...I think there are 4-5 HotAC stations that aren't keen on him or his music. So if Rob can hit #1 again it will most likely be with a lot less spins. Looks like John Mayer may hit #1 with help from Taylor Swift. I still can't get over the fact that he paired up with her for an obvious advantage to get a hit. Then again, what are the odds even a third of these new acts will have even a third of the longevity and degree of success Rob Thomas and matchbox twenty have? Track records seem much more important to me than individual single spin totals. If anything, I'd be envying Rob Thomas if I was virtually any of those new artists. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I think it just shows that some Hot AC stations are really tilting towards pop these days. I've even abandoned my longtime station cuz if I hear one more Lady Gaga/Ke$sha/Katy Perry filled hour I'll scream. LOL. Not that I don't like some of those songs, but the repetition is unbearable. I even emailed the DJ and he agreed that it's hard to listen all day at work due to the repetition. He said it's programmed for people to come in and out during the day, not people like me who listen at work all day. So I moved over to a mix station that plays 80's to the present. Still hear the "girls" but with more of a mix. And this station plays Mockingbird more than my old Hot AC station anyway. So it's all good.
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Post by marv1978 on Jul 30, 2010 11:04:00 GMT -5
Looks like John Mayer may hit #1 with help from Taylor Swift. I still can't get over the fact that he paired up with her for an obvious advantage to get a hit. Taylor Swift is hardly in the track at all, so I don't know why you'd claim that, as it's clearly John Mayer's hit. He wrote it, he performs 97% of the vocals on it, he provides the guitars, he earned it. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus AMEN!!!!! totally agree, It's mayer's song!!!
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Post by marv1978 on Jul 30, 2010 11:05:31 GMT -5
No Brakes - I just took a look at the charts and I think you are right. #4 may be possible. :) Boy, who are all these new acts breaking the top 40 on HotAC? I haven't heard of half of them. The format is really changing. I hope they can still make room for some more MB20 and Rob songs in the future. But look at the spins for Katy Perry - you think Rob will ever hit 4600 spins? Not likely...I think there are 4-5 HotAC stations that aren't keen on him or his music. So if Rob can hit #1 again it will most likely be with a lot less spins. Looks like John Mayer may hit #1 with help from Taylor Swift. I still can't get over the fact that he paired up with her for an obvious advantage to get a hit. Then again, what are the odds even a third of these new acts will have even a third of the longevity and degree of success Rob Thomas and matchbox twenty have? Track records seem much more important to me than individual single spin totals. If anything, I'd be envying Rob Thomas if I was virtually any of those new artists. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Amen again, Rob is the Elvis of HOT AC/Adult Pop Rock..the man hasn't slowed down since 1997!!! Hit after Hit after Hit after.........................
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Post by Rumors on Jul 30, 2010 18:30:25 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is hardly in the track at all, so I don't know why you'd claim that, as it's clearly John Mayer's hit. He wrote it, he performs 97% of the vocals on it, he provides the guitars, he earned it. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus AMEN!!!!! totally agree, It's mayer's song!!! You guys missed my point about the John Mayer song. I agree that Taylor is barely in it. I would miss it if I didn't know to listen for her. However, my point was that to me he only put her on the song to help him on the charts especially the pop chart. Teens see her name and download the song or request it whether she has a big part in it or not. They want all things Taylor Swift to do well. Same for me with Rob Thomas I guess.
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Post by Rumors on Jul 31, 2010 10:58:10 GMT -5
I follow Rob on twitter. Someone tweeted today that Rob was #3 in Turkey and provided this link. I presume this is a station similiar to HotAC over here. I don't know all the artists (but on I don't on the US HotAC charts anymore either) but I do like what I see. I would prefer this station actually for the US artists over my own station. I see rock/alternative mixed in with your more core HotAC acts. I like that much better than the pop/hip hop/r&b mix on our HotACs. www.radyoodtu.com.tr/40haramiler.asp
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jul 31, 2010 11:58:26 GMT -5
I follow Rob on twitter. Someone tweeted today that Rob was #3 in Turkey and provided this link. I presume this is a station similiar to HotAC over here. I don't know all the artists (but on I don't on the US HotAC charts anymore either) but I do like what I see. I would prefer this station actually for the US artists over my own station. I see rock/alternative mixed in with your more core HotAC acts. I like that much better than the pop/hip hop/r&b mix on our HotACs. www.radyoodtu.com.tr/40haramiler.aspThat's great! Go Rob! PS: Hey, when did we start getting labeled as 2x Platinum Members, etc. on this board? Just noticed it.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 1, 2010 10:02:06 GMT -5
Getting more spins. Up to +151. :) Will be leapfrogged by Maroon 5, but that's predictable. Everyone's spinning their first single like crazy. Though I'm not a big fan of it.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 1, 2010 12:57:21 GMT -5
Getting more spins. Up to +151. :) Will be leapfrogged by Maroon 5, but that's predictable. Everyone's spinning their first single like crazy. Though I'm not a big fan of it. Ditto. It does look like Mockingbird will close the week at #5. Isn't it the Sunday afternoon updates that determine a song's position for the week? BTW, I just got around to watching the Live From Daryl's House yesterday. I thought it was excellent. Their voices really sound good together. They ought to record a song together. Something bluesy but modern sounding. I thought Rob did a better job singing the Hall and Oates songs than Daryl did singing Rob's songs. Daryl really stuggled with the fast paced singing on Disease. I don't think the song is easy to sing. Daryl is one of the best vocalist of all time. Rob doesn't has his range or power but Rob has a very strong voice that's unique and he can sing in a variety of different ways. I think that's his strong suit. www.livefromdarylshouse.com/index.php?page=ep31
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Post by Rumors on Aug 1, 2010 13:04:56 GMT -5
I'm having a lazy Sunday and I just checked the rate the music site for the first time in months. Mockingbird has done pretty well. I don't think this site is all that reliable as the AI folks all have tremendous on-line voting secs and really do better than I think their songs may test out in the real world. So the fact that Rob can still do so well on HotAC and AC speaks highly of him. ratethemusic.com/allaccess/www.ratethemusic.com/AC - Someday is #2 (I wonder when Atlantic will release Mockingbird to AC?) Hot AC - Mockingbird is #5
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 1, 2010 13:21:11 GMT -5
I heard the oddest radio commercial the other day. It went something like this: There's a place where you can find out why Rob Thomas is such a good husband. And then you can pass it on to YOUR husband. It's all on RADIO". Anyone else hear this radio commercial? It was such a teaser with no real answer as to why Rob Thomas is such a good husband. Just thought it was a curious radio spot.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 1, 2010 16:33:07 GMT -5
That is a very odd commercial. I have no idea where they are going with on that one. LOL! I just found this interesting post on pulse. MB20 did a lot better on pop in the early 2000s than I thought they did. I would think that they also did well on pop in 1998 and 1999 with 3 am, Real World, and B2G. pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=98948&page=1Rankings - pop radio spins only 2000 MB20 #6 2001 MB20 #12 2002 MB20 #43 2003 MB20 #9 2004 MB20 #47 2005 Rob Thomas #31 that's it.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 2, 2010 17:58:52 GMT -5
Then again, what are the odds even a third of these new acts will have even a third of the longevity and degree of success Rob Thomas and matchbox twenty have? Track records seem much more important to me than individual single spin totals. If anything, I'd be envying Rob Thomas if I was virtually any of those new artists. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Amen again, Rob is the Elvis of HOT AC/Adult Pop Rock..the man hasn't slowed down since 1997!!! Hit after Hit after Hit after......................... There are two reasons why Rob Thomas, unlike virtually any other singer/songwriter who emerged in the latter half of the 90's, has remained viable and has stood the tests of time amidst a rapidly-changing musical climate. The first is that there is virtually NO ONE who can emote as consistently and accessibly like him. Many artists have had a single that proved to be a home run in that it hit home on an emotional level, and fewer have been able to have lightning strike several times............but it is a rarity to be able to emote most effectively, without falling pray to overambitious lyricism/trying too hard or veering the other direction toward disingenuous, syrupy schmaltziness. Rob Thomas possesses that rare gift. He has never been a lyrical trailblazer, but he has never tried to be a lyrical trailblazer anyway. He is a songwriter that devotes himself to the emotional core of existence, who consistently pens lyrics you can relate to and tug heartstrings far and wide, and even on songs that feature lyrics that are more forgettable on paper, Thomas has a way of crooning and/or spilling his bleeding heart anguish to where you believe everything he is singing. Secondly, even though he's not lyrically a trailblazer, at the same time one can't doubt he sincerely has a broad appreciation of music that transcends genre. He follows a familiar formula that aims to emotionally reach for the rafters, but at the same time he has an instinctual ear for how to consistently incorporate a melody between the lyrics and vocals that feels fresh because he braids all kinds of various sounds and stylings around them like garland on storefront awnings during the holiday season. Thomas is equally as much an old soul who digs the likes of Motown, Willie Nelson, Hall & Oates and Paul Simon (reflected in many of his songs like "Getting Late", "Remembered Well", "Now Comes The Night", "Streetcorner Symphony") as he is one who is eagerly open-minded about current sounds across the Top 40 landscape, as well as world music ("All That I Am", "Fire on the Mountain", "Cradlesong") regardless of genre. His open-mindedness is a virtue, and helps keep him sounding fresh even as the music landscape rapidly evolves. The Goo Goo Dolls are really one of the only other artists that emerged in the latter half of the 1990's that had consistently delivered ever since due to their strong ear for melody and Rzeznik's emotive vocals, but it seems as though they may have lost some of it entering the "Something For the Rest of Us" era in that they're veering too heavily on a familiar formula and, unlike Thomas, haven't really experimented with various influences musically. "Home" just sounds too much like what you'd expect a Goo Goo Dolls single to sound, even if they deserve credit for trying and making an earnest effort to continue emoting to listeners. It's almost as though the Goo Goo Dolls are now more concerned about the statement than they are about the music itself, and for that they're struggling so far this era. Rob Thomas understands the music ultimately inspires the statement, as well as levitates it, and in continuing to embrace his multifarous influences, pepper them into a radio-friendly formula and, rather than merely speak over them, truly lose himself in them............Rob Thomas remains a beloved shining light on the Adult Top 40 and Adult Contemporary radio. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 0:37:02 GMT -5
Top 5 on Hot AC!
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Post by Rumors on Aug 4, 2010 17:26:55 GMT -5
I LOVED your post, Noah. I agree on all accounts. It's funny that I had just read this article and then came here and read your post. This article so reinforces what you just wrote about Rob. This is a really long and well written article and it gives you a terrific glimpse into Rob the man and his music. Best article on Rob I've read in years. Sure makes me hate it that I'm not going to one of his "storyteller" shows this summer. luxurylv.com/2010/08/features/6508
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 4, 2010 20:02:56 GMT -5
I LOVED your post, Noah. I agree on all accounts. It's funny that I had just read this article and then came here and read your post. This article so reinforces what you just wrote about Rob. This is a really long and well written article and it gives you a terrific glimpse into Rob the man and his music. Best article on Rob I've read in years. Sure makes me hate it that I'm not going to one of his "storyteller" shows this summer. luxurylv.com/2010/08/features/6508That's by far one of the most compelling articles I've read about Rob Thomas yet. I especially smiled reading about his notion of songwriting being a two-part process between inspiration and craft. The author does make one notable error, however..........and that is citing "Cradlesong" peaking at #23 on the Billboard Hot 100! But it's more than forgiven with the amazing insights the article provides! =) Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 5:08:39 GMT -5
I'm so glad this reached top five.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 18:27:36 GMT -5
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52 37 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird Emblem/Atlantic 2009 73 49 24
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Post by Rumors on Aug 17, 2010 18:13:53 GMT -5
This song has actually maintained a pretty health bullet much longer than I thought it would. It's bullet is only slightly smaller than Maroon5's Misery which has really slowed down on this format. Not sure that song is distined for #1 now. I would love to see Sara B.'s much better song reach #1 on this format.
#4 possible for Rob?
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Post by marv1978 on Aug 17, 2010 20:38:17 GMT -5
This song has actually maintained a pretty health bullet much longer than I thought it would. It's bullet is only slightly smaller than Maroon5's Misery which has really slowed down on this format. Not sure that song is distined for #1 now. I would love to see Sara B.'s much better song reach #1 on this format. #4 possible for Rob? if he can keep his bullet steady, he might just pull it off. why is "Mockingbird" like the only huge HOT AC smash without a Pop Adds Date? I still can't help but think "Mockingbird" & "Meltdown" are the most CHR friendly songs on the cd imo!
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 19, 2010 6:34:31 GMT -5
Wow, it's got a bigger bullet than Maroon 5 this morning. Amazing. Go Rob!
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 19, 2010 14:14:54 GMT -5
What is wrong with Rob's label, how did this never go for pop adds? No video? What a joke. This will likely peak at #4 but who knows, looks like this will even be a recurrent hit for him for a while now too. I really can't see this falling off the chart any earlier than November.
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Post by arebomb on Aug 19, 2010 17:11:34 GMT -5
Rob's album is an odd one. I think you can argue that, from top to bottom, it's the best thing he's done, solo or with MB20. Unfortunately, there's nothing on the album that screams smash hit. I think you could have picked several other songs off of the album that would've matched the HotAC success of Mockingbird.
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Post by marv1978 on Aug 19, 2010 20:22:24 GMT -5
"mockingbird" had to be a single! but "meltdown" and "wonderful" are awesome songs too that i know would be huge. i like all three more than "her diamonds". i wish Rob would switch to a label that promotes better :(, thats rediculous to give up on a man that has put out hit after hit for over a decade. no video, no push to pop, are they trying to make him fail lol.... i believe in 20 years Rob's songs will carry on where alot of artists right now are just the next hot thing
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Post by marv1978 on Aug 19, 2010 20:24:45 GMT -5
What is wrong with Rob's label, how did this never go for pop adds? No video? What a joke. This will likely peak at #4 but who knows, looks like this will even be a recurrent hit for him for a while now too. I really can't see this falling off the chart any earlier than November. i still have the billboard issue with Rob on cover and the push to make cradlesong massive, what happened, a rep from atlantic admitted b4 the cd hit stores there we're 4 obvious smashes waiting.. something just doesn't add up!
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 19, 2010 22:30:22 GMT -5
"mockingbird" had to be a single! but "meltdown" and "wonderful" are awesome songs too that i know would be huge. i like all three more than "her diamonds". i wish Rob would switch to a label that promotes better :(, thats rediculous to give up on a man that has put out hit after hit for over a decade. no video, no push to pop, are they trying to make him fail lol.... i believe in 20 years Rob's songs will carry on where alot of artists right now are just the next hot thing I don't think Thomas was aiming necessarily for mass commercial success this era anyway. This was more an artistic era for him than ever, where he wanted to write the album he's long wanted to make, where he wanted to focus on writing for himself first and foremost. Beyond that, I suppose Thomas has too much substance and maturity for Mainstream Top 40. Radio executives repeatedly continue to underestimate what the listeners want, and literally insult their intelligence and taste for music with more depth. Thus, it is no mistake why Thomas' recent releases haven't exploded in popularity beyond this core format, but nonetheless are also buoyed by a loyal slice of Mainstream Top 40 stations that are at least able to get him charting repeatedly.............because more than enough listeners value Thomas for what he offers us all..............emotionally compelling, musically fresh pop. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by arebomb on Aug 19, 2010 22:30:37 GMT -5
Even though it had moderate success, I thought "Her Diamonds" was a blah first single. It just didn't have that "it" to me. After the album fell down the charts relatively quickly, I doubt the label was quite as excited about promotion. Plus, sales in general are blah.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 19, 2010 22:40:12 GMT -5
Even though it had moderate success, I thought "Her Diamonds" was a blah first single. It just didn't have that "it" to me. After the album fell down the charts relatively quickly, I doubt the label was quite as excited about promotion. Plus, sales in general are blah. Topping the Adult Top 40 and going Top 25 on the Billboard Hot 100 is more than a moderate success to me. I'll admit that it's not his most immediate track on the album, but I think it was probably the right lead single anyway because of the depth/emotional layering to the track. It doesn't suck you in right away musically, but lyrically it has more staying power than most singles of its kind and then, when the listener learns it's about the wife of the singer's struggle with an auto-immune disease, one's appreciation of the song deepens ever still as the listener begins to reflect on similar experiences and listen to the song once more from a new refreshed perspective. THAT'S why "Her Diamonds" worked. It's that kind of single that unfolds its layers gradually like those of a globe artichoke to its inner-most moist heart within. Had they released something that may have been more immediate first, I'm convinced it wouldn't have had as much legs. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 20, 2010 6:32:42 GMT -5
I still wish that the general public could get to hear Meltdown on the radio. I think it could be a big hit. But this may be it for singles for this album. Question: do videos make any sense anymore? I never see them on TV, they can be a big expense and can actually make you like a song less if it's lame. What value does a video give a song anymore?
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