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Post by marv1978 on Aug 20, 2010 14:26:04 GMT -5
"mockingbird" had to be a single! but "meltdown" and "wonderful" are awesome songs too that i know would be huge. i like all three more than "her diamonds". i wish Rob would switch to a label that promotes better :(, thats rediculous to give up on a man that has put out hit after hit for over a decade. no video, no push to pop, are they trying to make him fail lol.... i believe in 20 years Rob's songs will carry on where alot of artists right now are just the next hot thing I don't think Thomas was aiming necessarily for mass commercial success this era anyway. This was more an artistic era for him than ever, where he wanted to write the album he's long wanted to make, where he wanted to focus on writing for himself first and foremost. Beyond that, I suppose Thomas has too much substance and maturity for Mainstream Top 40. Radio executives repeatedly continue to underestimate what the listeners want, and literally insult their intelligence and taste for music with more depth. Thus, it is no mistake why Thomas' recent releases haven't exploded in popularity beyond this core format, but nonetheless are also buoyed by a loyal slice of Mainstream Top 40 stations that are at least able to get him charting repeatedly.............because more than enough listeners value Thomas for what he offers us all..............emotionally compelling, musically fresh pop. i agree :) Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 20, 2010 14:55:33 GMT -5
I remember a press release or something from the beginning of the era where Rob said something along the lines of that he wouldn't get any new fans from this era, it's mostly for him and his artistic career.
Either way, Cradlesong was one of the best albums of last year.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 20, 2010 15:21:16 GMT -5
I remember a press release or something from the beginning of the era where Rob said something along the lines of that he wouldn't get any new fans from this era, it's mostly for him and his artistic career. Either way, Cradlesong was one of the best albums of last year. And that is exactly why he's doing an acoustic tour right now. He's not interested in short-term commercial impact prospects, he's interested in sinewing his existing devoted fanbase and letting them appreciate his songs at an even deeper, more intimate level. He has been and continues to aspire to be an artist, first and foremost. And it has its payoff anyway, for the simple fact all three of his singles have went Top Five this era on his core format. I agree that "cradlesong" was one of 2009's best albums overall, and I'd rank it in my Top Five as far as pop albums is concerned. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Aug 21, 2010 7:56:24 GMT -5
Well, on Mediabase Saturday morning, it looks like some of the top songs picked up some adds. John Mayer is now on 102 stations thanks to Taylor Swift ;) and Rob is now up to 99. It was on 97 stations last week. So Rob's bullet is now 202. Not bad at all. I doubt he'll reach the 4700-4600 spins that Katy Perry got but the song is doing really well for him for a 3rd single with no video. I don't know if he'll be able to hang on long enough to get to 4. California Girls will have to start dropping and Rob will have to hold off King of Everything. I'm not sure that will happen. Northcoast - I do think videos help and can be seen by a lot of people on the internet. I still watch VH1 about one mornign a week to keep up with new music so even I'm exposed to a few new songs. I actually like that new Mike Posner song. He is cute enough that he might be the new Justin Timberlake. (I've never been a big fan of Timberlake.) An expenive video may not pay off unless you are a superstar but I do think something under $100,000 may do it's job. I wish we knew how much Cradlesong has sold. I was just checking out Barnes and Nobles top albums and Cradlesong is 51. So I think Mockingbird and Rob's acoustic tour have sparked some new interest in his album. The album has also been doing much better on itunes for a few months.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 21, 2010 8:08:10 GMT -5
Take a look at hotacguru's comparison of Rob Thomas' success on HotAC to superstar acts success in the 80s-90s on pop. Quite impressive for Rob indeed. You have to know that he since rap and hip-hop or some combination of both really started dominating the pop charts what 15 years ago that even a huge superstar like Elton John wouldn't have found the same success with his type of music today as he did in the 80s-90s. Well, maybe if he added a female current superstar to every song he might. I just was reading on older article in RS on JayZ. They were talking about how relevant he still is today at 40. I had to ask myself how much success he would have if he didn't have other artists sing the hooks. The same came be said for Em right now with the big hit with Rihanna. Apart from Smooth, all Rob's songs hits have been just him or his band. hotacguru.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/rob-thomas-compared-to-past-big-acts/
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Post by Rumors on Aug 21, 2010 10:06:28 GMT -5
A little off topic but I was just watching the VH1 video countdown. The guest this week was B.O.B who seemed like a nice young man. However, he reveled that he has never meet Haley Williams. She's the girl from the band Paramore than B.O.B currently has a hugh hit with. That's the climate of the music business right now that Rob is trying to compete with on the charts. Can't say there's music artistic expression going on when 2 people sing on a song and they have never meet. Makes me wonder if John Mayer was anywhere in the recording studio when Taylor Swift added her vocals.
Also, very interesting that Maroon5's video wasn't in the top 20. Weak video for a weak lead single. Radio may be supporting it because it's Maroon5 but the downloads aren't great. However, it does look like the albums's pre-sales on itunes are strong. I still think the album will open around 300,000.
Loving Katy's Perry Teenage Dream. Wasn't a fan of California Girls.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 21, 2010 16:12:09 GMT -5
I actually love that viral video of Meltdown that's online. IMO, Rob should release Meltdown to radio and that video to VH1. I think it would be kind of an interesting story about how that video was made. And I really think Meltdown would do well, even on Pop. I hate to say this, but I"m kind of glad Maroon 5's first single is kind of ehhh. I used to love them but turned to really disliking Adam Levine with all his antics and blantant sexuality in videos. Now, if Rob were do it that's another matter. But I lost a lot of respect for Adam with some of those videos and his girlfriend of the week hook ups.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 22, 2010 1:29:45 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but I"m kind of glad Maroon 5's first single is kind of ehhh. I used to love them but turned to really disliking Adam Levine with all his antics and blantant sexuality in videos. Now, if Rob were do it that's another matter. But I lost a lot of respect for Adam with some of those videos and his girlfriend of the week hook ups. I like Maroon 5 well enough. I appreciate that they have welded together some familiar contemporary rock sounds with blue-eyed soul and some selective borrowing from Prince. I feel there's always been more texture to their music compared to the average Adult Top 40 band, and it's that which has made me still tune into them. That said, while I do believe Levine is a skilled introspective songwriter, I also find myself not emotionally connecting to his songs much like I do to Thomas' songs. And I think part of the reason that is is because Levine tries too hard to exude attitude, sex appeal and pleas for mercy among other things, when he is perfectly capable of letting his words do the talking. When he does that, the song loses its intimate appeal to the listener. You know Levine is speaking from the heart but too often it seems he's singing from his solar plexus. It's not a bad thing; it's just I don't feel as emotionally engaged as I'd like to be with the music. Thomas, I believe, understands that, and chooses to let the music do the talking and that, when you do so, the attitude, sensuality and all else will follow depending on the context. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2010 12:11:03 GMT -5
I noticed that Pop is spinning this:
165 117 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 34 15 19 0.219
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Post by countryfan2002 on Aug 23, 2010 13:44:34 GMT -5
I noticed that Pop is spinning this: 165 117 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 34 15 19 0.219 Didn't "Someday" get some small pop airplay? I think that this is far more pop-ready than that.
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 23, 2010 13:58:53 GMT -5
I noticed that Pop is spinning this: 165 117 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 34 15 19 0.219 Didn't "Someday" get some small pop airplay? I think that this is far more pop-ready than that. I believe that "Someday" made the top thirty. If it didn't make it, I know that it got close.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2010 14:05:51 GMT -5
Didn't "Someday" get some small pop airplay? I think that this is far more pop-ready than that. I believe that "Someday" made the top thirty. If it didn't make it, I know that it got close. According to this site (http://wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/rob_thomas.htm), it did make it to #30.
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Post by marv1978 on Aug 23, 2010 22:29:38 GMT -5
I believe that "Someday" made the top thirty. If it didn't make it, I know that it got close. According to this site (http://wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/rob_thomas.htm), it did make it to #30. this song deserves to go top 30 also on chr!
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 25, 2010 6:41:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the Pop chart info. I'll be curious to see how this does there. Please keep us apprised. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 15:37:37 GMT -5
I noticed that Pop is spinning this: 165 117 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 34 15 19 0.219 168 110 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 40 16 24 0.276
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Post by Rumors on Aug 25, 2010 16:30:35 GMT -5
Unless he gets another add on HotAC next week I think it's looking like this will peak at #5.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 25, 2010 17:25:26 GMT -5
Unless he gets another add on HotAC next week I think it's looking like this will peak at #5. I think it'll peak at #4. It's actually already peaked at #4 on Billboard. Must have squeezed by before Maroon 5 leapfrogged. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 6:03:33 GMT -5
185 149 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 19 13 6 0.091 175 144 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 22 14 8 0.131 172 135 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 26 14 12 0.156 163 126 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 31 15 16 0.196 165 117 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 34 15 19 0.219 167 116 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 37 15 22 0.257 168 110 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 40 16 24 0.276 149 108 ROB THOMAS Mockingbird 41 19 22 0.29
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 27, 2010 14:43:39 GMT -5
A four or five peak isn't too bad, the chart is really competitive right now.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 27, 2010 16:41:00 GMT -5
A four or five peak isn't too bad, the chart is really competitive right now. It's actually great when you consider that 1) his label initially expressed disinterest in even pushing a third single, 2) the album hasn't sold notably well (though still respectably) and 3) matchbox twenty singles, in contrast, have had much more inconsistent chart runs than Rob Thomas offerings, where Thomas has never missed the Top Five but matchbox twenty have had several releases miss the Top Ten altogether. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 1, 2010 12:13:39 GMT -5
Losing spins like crazy now. And here I was hoping a little Pop popularity would give this a bump.
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Post by Rumors on Sept 1, 2010 16:00:23 GMT -5
Losing spins like crazy now. And here I was hoping a little Pop popularity would give this a bump. They must have kept the song in good rotation until the tour was over. BTW, Rob tweeted at his last show that he was running somewhere to record for VH1's top 20. I guess we should check out the show on Saturday. Maybe they have Rob on there talking about his acoustic tour for his charity, Sidewalk Angels.
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Post by Rumors on Sept 1, 2010 16:09:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Cradlesong's sales have hit 450,000 yet? I wish they still posted those numbers on this board. The last time I saw them was on 1-30-10. Sales were at 370,592. I think the album re-entered the Billboard 200 around 4-07-10 when his EP was released. Let's say he has sold around 1,000 albums per week. That's around 28 weeks (Feb-Aug). So 370,000 and let's round up and add 30,000 units. So realistically I'm going to say he's around 400,000. It's doubtful that the album will be certified Gold.
In contrast, I have Exile on Mainstream by MB20 leaving the Billboard 200 in it's 35th week with sales of 663,651. That album was released on 10-02-07. Cradlesong was released the last week of June 2009.
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Post by Rumors on Sept 1, 2010 16:11:41 GMT -5
Anyone have digital sales figures for the three singles from Cradlesong? I don't follow those numbers. Just guessing I would say that maybe Her Diamonds sold 500,000, Someday around 350,000 and Mockingbird around 200,000.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 14:24:21 GMT -5
Losing spins like crazy now. And here I was hoping a little Pop popularity would give this a bump. I think it was to be expected, regardless. This is what happens when you have a lot of stations simultaneously pushing the track to higher rotations, and also have loads of previous entries receiving recurrent and gold airplay. But I don't see this hemorrhaging of spins as a sign Rob Thomas' influence on the format is rapidly waning, or even moderately so. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by marv1978 on Sept 3, 2010 19:09:15 GMT -5
Bring in "Give Me Meltdown" right now lol...who agrees it will go #1 at Hot AC and i actually think its the 1 song on the cd CHR would embrace imo! Atlantic is stupid and Rob needs a new label if they don't push this, they could even use the video they made for the internet as the vh1 video. Why would you sacrifice a #1 hit, even if it sells no more cds, its an itunes .99 cent world, it'll out do all the single digitally i truly believe. I'm gonna start a petetion on twitter with my Rob fan club lol :)
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 4, 2010 1:05:07 GMT -5
Bring in "Give Me Meltdown" right now lol...who agrees it will go #1 at Hot AC and i actually think its the 1 song on the cd CHR would embrace imo! Atlantic is stupid and Rob needs a new label if they don't push this, they could even use the video they made for the internet as the vh1 video. Why would you sacrifice a #1 hit, even if it sells no more cds, its an itunes .99 cent world, it'll out do all the single digitally i truly believe. I'm gonna start a petetion on twitter with my Rob fan club lol :) To this day, I'm still in disagreement that "Give Me The Meltdown" would be close to the kind of hit many predict/assume it will be if released. It certainly wasn't Down Under. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by marv1978 on Sept 5, 2010 7:51:52 GMT -5
Bring in "Give Me Meltdown" right now lol...who agrees it will go #1 at Hot AC and i actually think its the 1 song on the cd CHR would embrace imo! Atlantic is stupid and Rob needs a new label if they don't push this, they could even use the video they made for the internet as the vh1 video. Why would you sacrifice a #1 hit, even if it sells no more cds, its an itunes .99 cent world, it'll out do all the single digitally i truly believe. I'm gonna start a petetion on twitter with my Rob fan club lol :) To this day, I'm still in disagreement that "Give Me The Meltdown" would be close to the kind of hit many predict/assume it will be if released. It certainly wasn't Down Under. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus where do u think it would chart?
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 6, 2010 1:09:04 GMT -5
To this day, I'm still in disagreement that "Give Me The Meltdown" would be close to the kind of hit many predict/assume it will be if released. It certainly wasn't Down Under. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus where do u think it would chart? I think it would start out rising moderately fast, limp up the chart once it reached around #9, peak exactly where "Mockingbird" peaked, and then slide faster than average compared to his other releases. On the Mainstream Top 40, I actually think it would have missed the Top Thirty (I'd say a #37 peak), regardless if it was released earlier or now. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Sept 9, 2010 17:44:47 GMT -5
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