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Post by marv1978 on Nov 15, 2010 16:03:29 GMT -5
Matt Nathanson and Howie Day had huge hits on Hot AC though (especially in terms of recurrent play) - Dave Matthews has been a core HAC artist, at least in the late 90s and early 2000s - and not sure Chad Kroeger has it going on in the looks department (same with Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat, and the guy from Green Day) I actually think the HAC audience is pretty good about not being overly concerned with looks (as opposed to CHR) - I'd almost say that a lot of HAC listeners have no clue what the artists even look like Did you just insinuate that Colbie Caillat isn't attractive? Because that's so wrong. She's beautiful. i have been programming radio for about 12 years and interning longer and a fan all my life and what someone looks like may help the video and pop culture status, it doesn't give any merit to the song. Radio is based on how good the song is, is it a hit or not? Simple as that, i have always stuck with that and the PD's i have interned for have always had success and know theyre demo and audience. How can you go wrong basing a song on it's own merit and hit status vs whether the person singing it is a perfect 10 or a ugly 2 lol... If that was the case every super model would have a #1 hit right and Jans joplin wouldn't be in the hall of fame ??? ;)
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Post by Rumors on Nov 15, 2010 16:25:43 GMT -5
I didn't say looks was the ultimate deal breaker whether someone can succeed or not but I think it can go a long, long way in propelling a career. And as I said, it's subjective. Out of those names I listed, Daughtry, Adam Levine, and Chad Kroeger are just okay looking for me but they have their fans. Adam Levine IMO got the most out of his looks with not as much talent as the others listed. Again, all subjective but it all adds up to having that intangible "it" factor. Marv, I also find it interesting that Janis Joplin is the torch bearer when people say that unattractive people can make it in today's pop culture. That was 40 years ago and she is still used as an example (I read something similiar not to long ago). One not so attractive star in 40 years isn't a very good percentage. You get my drift. Now, back to Lee.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 15, 2010 16:58:47 GMT -5
I didn't say looks was the ultimate deal breaker whether someone can succeed or not but I think it can go a long, long way in propelling a career. And as I said, it's subjective. Out of those names I listed, Daughtry, Adam Levine, and Chad Kroeger are just okay looking for me but they have their fans. Adam Levine IMO got the most out of his looks with not as much talent as the others listed. Again, all subjective but it all adds up to having that intangible "it" factor. Marv, I also find it interesting that Janis Joplin is the torch bearer when people say that unattractive people can make it in today's pop culture. That was 40 years ago and she is still used as an example (I read something similiar not to long ago). One not so attractive star in 40 years isn't a very good percentage. You get my drift. Now, back to Lee. I get your point and about Janis, but these artists to me are not attractive at all lol chad kroeger coldplay u2 tom petty lady gaga train sara bareilles melissa etheridge bryan adams the script natasha bedingfield def leppard all the rappers i see to me i don't get.... but i get your point..back to Lee (who is not ugly at all if that matters to vein people in the industry or fans of music lol)
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Post by hazuki on Nov 15, 2010 17:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Nov 15, 2010 17:17:05 GMT -5
Obviously whether or not looks count depend on your sex (just like everywhere else). It's easier to be an ugly or weird looking guy than to be an ugly or weird looking woman.
As for the women on Marv's list:
Lady Gaga - I'm still not certain why she's famous, but her looks are irrelevant. Melissa Etheridge - lesbian, and has been out since before she had huge records. Sara Bareilles/Natasha Bedingfield: I would find both of these women attractive.
In other words, looks matter for women, unless there is something else distinctive about them.
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Post by out of reach on Nov 15, 2010 17:28:27 GMT -5
Did you just insinuate that Colbie Caillat isn't attractive? Because that's so wrong. She's beautiful. ...Radio is based on how good the song is, is it a hit or not? Simple as that, ... I don't know if I agree with this statement. Obviously whether a song is a hit or not has nothing to do if it's actually good. Some artists are established and get fast tracked on radio while others don't see the light of day. Of course what is considered a good song is subjective but really what pisses me off the most are great songs by non A list artists who don't get a chance by PDs.
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Post by Hook on Nov 15, 2010 17:33:29 GMT -5
[I get your point and about Janis, but these artists to me are not attractive at all lol chad kroeger coldplay u2 tom petty lady gaga train sara bareilles melissa etheridge bryan adams the script natasha bedingfield def leppard all the rappers i see to me i don't get.... but i get your point..back to Lee (who is not ugly at all if that matters to vein people in the industry or fans of music lol) WOW @ your list. I'll just give a comment about one, Natasha Bedingfield. If she's not considered attractive, I don't really know what is. lol I got to meet her in person and I thought she was extremely beautiful. Anyway.....I hope SS can do solidly for Lee. I believe he has a big hit in "Me and My Jealousy" waiting to be released.
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Post by hazuki on Nov 15, 2010 17:52:52 GMT -5
Music Video premieres tonight at Midnight.
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Post by crazychick on Nov 15, 2010 18:13:54 GMT -5
Lee got 5 Hot AC adds today -- the biggest one (in terms of market rank) being in Hartford, CT (#50 market).
His CD should be released at midnight tonight
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 15, 2010 18:35:03 GMT -5
[I get your point and about Janis, but these artists to me are not attractive at all lol chad kroeger coldplay u2 tom petty lady gaga train sara bareilles melissa etheridge bryan adams the script natasha bedingfield def leppard all the rappers i see to me i don't get.... but i get your point..back to Lee (who is not ugly at all if that matters to vein people in the industry or fans of music lol) WOW @ your list. I'll just give a comment about one, Natasha Bedingfield. If she's not considered attractive, I don't really know what is. lol I got to meet her in person and I thought she was extremely beautiful. Anyway.....I hope SS can do solidly for Lee. I believe he has a big hit in "Me and My Jealousy" waiting to be released. I was being sarcastic lol, my point is to a good program director, looks shouldn't matter. i program hot ac and most of my listeners are in they're 25-40 range and don't care bout looks, how can they see them through the radio anyway. now chr is definatly aimed at teens/young adults and tend to go towards the image first alot of times. but my personal opinion is natasha and sara are not good looking. they are not ugly by any means but not eye candy like say Beyonce or Katy Perry. I am happily married to the most beautiful woman in the world, but again that's my opinion :) As for Lee, I agree "Me & My Jealousy" is a smash waiting as is "Live It Up' imo ;)
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 15, 2010 18:45:44 GMT -5
...Radio is based on how good the song is, is it a hit or not? Simple as that, ... I don't know if I agree with this statement. Obviously whether a song is a hit or not has nothing to do if it's actually good. Some artists are established and get fast tracked on radio while others don't see the light of day. Of course what is considered a good song is subjective but really what pisses me off the most are great songs by non A list artists who don't get a chance by PDs. I program traditional hit radio and my fans are the best, i get tons of feedback on twitter/facebook and email and try to always keep the listeners needs first because without listeners what's the point lol. but KSTZ was one of the stations i was talking about and back when i interned there, Jim was the PD and he was a PD in the old days too and tried to keep his eyes open for missed hits and breaking new artists and thats exactly what i do too.Maybe on CHR where you find a song "Who Dat Girl?" lmbo, a hit may not be based on how good a song is but for a station like i run, it's the most important thing. We play the core of course like Rob Thomas, Train, Katy Perry, Daughtry, Bon Jovi, Goo Goo Dolls, Maroon 5 & Pink etc.. but we play Guster, Zac Brown Band, Neon Trees, Mumford & Sons, Collective Soul, Sister Hazel, Christina Perri,The Script, The Black Keys, Sons Of Sylvia etc.. as well as artists like Bryan Adams, Bret Michaels, Sheryl Crow & Sara McLachlan and songs we feel deserve airplay like John Mayer "Perfectly Lonely", Rob Thomas "Give Me The Meltdown" & Pink's version of "Whataya Want From Me" etc...... While interning in Gainesville, FL i was given the nickname Casey Casem, Jr. lol....I am very passionate about the AC/Hot AC formats and any evolution of them, i mean no disrespect to any member on the board, in case i get overboard, just remember i'm over passionate lol
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 15, 2010 18:52:42 GMT -5
Adam Levine IMO got the most out of his looks with not as much talent as the others listed. He might not have as much singing talent, but he has tons of songwriting talent (or he did), which is why Maroon 5 was so popular - you really think M5's popularity stems around Adam Levine's looks? He's not really even a pop celebrity - I'd almost bet that a majority of HAC listeners don't even know what he looks like
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 15, 2010 18:59:56 GMT -5
In other words, looks matter for women, unless there is something else distinctive about them. I dunno...Paula Cole had no trouble on Hot AC at all, and there's no way she'd be considered attractive - and Alanis, Sarah McLachlan, and Sheryl Crow definitely aren't supermodels (neither is Pink or Kelly Clarkson) Agree that it's easier for men than women, but I think HAC is pretty good at overlooking it
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Post by out of reach on Nov 15, 2010 19:03:01 GMT -5
Even though Lee won't bust out of the gate, I like where this is going. This single will be a moderate hit. Me & My jelously could become a platinum hit setting up a third single. Looks like things will fall into place for this era, I was very skeptical at the beggining but i'm seeing the light.
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Nov 15, 2010 19:17:10 GMT -5
In other words, looks matter for women, unless there is something else distinctive about them. I dunno...Paula Cole had no trouble on Hot AC at all, and there's no way she'd be considered attractive - and Alanis, Sarah McLachlan, and Sheryl Crow definitely aren't supermodels (neither is Pink or Kelly Clarkson) Agree that it's easier for men than women, but I think HAC is pretty good at overlooking it I'll grant you Paula Cole, but all of the others have one or more qualities I'd find attractive.
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Post by hazuki on Nov 15, 2010 19:35:47 GMT -5
Even though Lee won't bust out of the gate, I like where this is going. This single will be a moderate hit. Me & My jelously could become a platinum hit setting up a third single. Looks like things will fall into place for this era, I was very skeptical at the beggining but i'm seeing the light. Welcome to the light, lol.. I wonder if RCA will screw things up and NOT pick Me And My Jealously for the 2nd single? Before the today show, they were playing "It's Gotta Be Love" hrm, I wonder if they are testing that.
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Post by Hook on Nov 15, 2010 21:53:33 GMT -5
Music Video premieres tonight at Midnight. Why would they premiere the video at midnight? That's weird.
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Post by hazuki on Nov 16, 2010 0:33:14 GMT -5
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Post by hazuki on Nov 16, 2010 12:43:42 GMT -5
Here's the vevo link
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 1:04:50 GMT -5
WOW @ your list. I'll just give a comment about one, Natasha Bedingfield. If she's not considered attractive, I don't really know what is. lol I got to meet her in person and I thought she was extremely beautiful. Anyway.....I hope SS can do solidly for Lee. I believe he has a big hit in "Me and My Jealousy" waiting to be released. I was being sarcastic lol, my point is to a good program director, looks shouldn't matter. i program hot ac and most of my listeners are in they're 25-40 range and don't care bout looks, how can they see them through the radio anyway. now chr is definatly aimed at teens/young adults and tend to go towards the image first alot of times. but my personal opinion is natasha and sara are not good looking. they are not ugly by any means but not eye candy like say Beyonce or Katy Perry. I am happily married to the most beautiful woman in the world, but again that's my opinion :) As for Lee, I agree "Me & My Jealousy" is a smash waiting as is "Live It Up' imo ;) Don't forget about "Beautiful Like You" :)
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Post by greenlight on Nov 17, 2010 8:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by johnm1120 on Nov 17, 2010 11:03:02 GMT -5
Debuts at #38 on Billboard Hot AC this week
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Post by hazuki on Nov 17, 2010 15:31:17 GMT -5
Album sets to do 40-45k..
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Nov 17, 2010 16:37:04 GMT -5
Album sets to do 40-45k.. About the range I was expecting. I didn't think he would be over 50k. He should be top 20 for the week, possibly even top 15 if he trends upward a bit.
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Post by slamina on Nov 17, 2010 17:27:42 GMT -5
Album sets to do 40-45k.. Not good. If album sales don't pick up, and he doesn't get any hit singles he could be dropped.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 17, 2010 18:44:19 GMT -5
Album sets to do 40-45k.. Not good. If album sales don't pick up, and he doesn't get any hit singles he could be dropped. omg ??? if that happens and he doesn't move to another major label, i'll give you a 1,000 bucks ;)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 20:17:35 GMT -5
Album sets to do 40-45k.. Not good. If album sales don't pick up, and he doesn't get any hit singles he could be dropped. Well lucky for him he has a few potential hit singles waiting in the wings. ;)
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Post by overboard on Nov 17, 2010 20:42:15 GMT -5
Not good. If album sales don't pick up, and he doesn't get any hit singles he could be dropped. omg ??? if that happens and he doesn't move to another major label, i'll give you a 1,000 bucks ;) lol can I get in on this? RCA is not a forgiving label, so I wouldnt be betting against this. Also, any major label would be dumb to pick up someone from Idol after their post-idol exposure has been used up. Have you seen the drop off in album sales for the 2nd album of idol alums? Its massive.
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Post by slamina on Nov 17, 2010 22:37:07 GMT -5
omg ??? if that happens and he doesn't move to another major label, i'll give you a 1,000 bucks ;) lol can I get in on this? RCA is not a forgiving label, so I wouldnt be betting against this. Also, any major label would be dumb to pick up someone from Idol after their post-idol exposure has been used up. Have you seen the drop off in album sales for the 2nd album of idol alums? Its massive. what overboard said.
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Post by discoloser on Nov 17, 2010 23:47:42 GMT -5
That depends on the contestant. IMO If they are young and comeback as adults, they may have a better image/voice to work with. But that would be several years down the line.
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