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Post by marv1978 on Nov 18, 2010 9:24:05 GMT -5
^lol...he does have a few hits waiting and "SS" is just getting started. it is a hit. he is just starting to promote on tv, the video will debut on vh1's top 20 via their website i read. This exposure will help the cd, downloads, new fans..etc. Like i said i think since the shows rating on AI we're declining that will work for Lee in the long road not being associated with the show as much as Daughtry and Clarkson. So consider him a breaking new artist with a hit song on the rise, he shouldn't have a huge bullet and sky rocket to top 20, he's not Rob Thomas or Katy Perry yet lol. It seems like alot of people are watching his every update almost hoping or predicting he'll fail. weird to me, he is so talented. Lee is a HOT AC artist also! As long as the record company makes money, they will be happy. Every time his song is spun on any format, any video channel, live etc, they get royalties off that as well as digital downloads. We are not living a world where cd's are top priority, the industry thanks to itunes is more single driven again. Which i like :) But just like everyone predicted "All In" by Lifehouse was a failure when it was hanging around the #15 zone forever, i said it was a hit, becuase i listened to the song without thinking of chart positions and heard a top 10 smash and now what is that song, almost #5??? lol
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Post by HereIsGone on Nov 18, 2010 10:22:10 GMT -5
After monitoring Billboard for a couple of months now, it seems as though a lot of already-established artists couldn't make it past 50k in first week sales. I know that it's a different animal for Idol artists, but I still think it's an industry-wide thing. Heck, when artists like Linkin Park who debuted with massive first week sales figures a couple of years ago, not even to do half as well (even taking in consideration the radical change in sound in LP's case), I think that says something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 12:26:28 GMT -5
^lol...he does have a few hits waiting and "SS" is just getting started. it is a hit. he is just starting to promote on tv, the video will debut on vh1's top 20 via their website i read. This exposure will help the cd, downloads, new fans..etc. Like i said i think since the shows rating on AI we're declining that will work for Lee in the long road not being associated with the show as much as Daughtry and Clarkson. So consider him a breaking new artist with a hit song on the rise, he shouldn't have a huge bullet and sky rocket to top 20, he's not Rob Thomas or Katy Perry yet lol. It seems like alot of people are watching his every update almost hoping or predicting he'll fail. weird to me, he is so talented. Lee is a HOT AC artist also! As long as the record company makes money, they will be happy. Every time his song is spun on any format, any video channel, live etc, they get royalties off that as well as digital downloads. We are not living a world where cd's are top priority, the industry thanks to itunes is more single driven again. Which i like :) But just like everyone predicted "All In" by Lifehouse was a failure when it was hanging around the #15 zone forever, i said it was a hit, becuase i listened to the song without thinking of chart positions and heard a top 10 smash and now what is that song, almost #5??? lol It seems that way to you too, huh? ;)
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 18, 2010 16:49:01 GMT -5
^lol...he does have a few hits waiting and "SS" is just getting started. it is a hit. he is just starting to promote on tv, the video will debut on vh1's top 20 via their website i read. This exposure will help the cd, downloads, new fans..etc. Like i said i think since the shows rating on AI we're declining that will work for Lee in the long road not being associated with the show as much as Daughtry and Clarkson. So consider him a breaking new artist with a hit song on the rise, he shouldn't have a huge bullet and sky rocket to top 20, he's not Rob Thomas or Katy Perry yet lol. It seems like alot of people are watching his every update almost hoping or predicting he'll fail. weird to me, he is so talented. Lee is a HOT AC artist also! As long as the record company makes money, they will be happy. Every time his song is spun on any format, any video channel, live etc, they get royalties off that as well as digital downloads. We are not living a world where cd's are top priority, the industry thanks to itunes is more single driven again. Which i like :) But just like everyone predicted "All In" by Lifehouse was a failure when it was hanging around the #15 zone forever, i said it was a hit, becuase i listened to the song without thinking of chart positions and heard a top 10 smash and now what is that song, almost #5??? lol It seems that way to you too, huh? ;) yes lol ;)
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 19, 2010 0:04:56 GMT -5
After seeing all the positive comments about Me & My Jealousy and especially Beautiful Like You, finally checked out both songs.
I don't get what's so good about MMJ. Quite like the melody for BLY. However.... now I understand what all those album reviews have been talking about. The lyrics are so cliched and bland!
While I'm not crazy about SS, at least SS is catchier than those two, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 1:12:24 GMT -5
I love Lee's album and all the songs on it. As well as the one's that are not on it. ;)
And IMO, M&MJ and especially BLY both sound like hits to me.
I guess in the end it's all about opinions, isn't it? :)
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 8:58:33 GMT -5
After seeing all the positive comments about Me & My Jealousy and especially Beautiful Like You, finally checked out both songs. I don't get what's so good about MMJ. Quite like the melody for BLY. However.... now I understand what all those album reviews have been talking about. The lyrics are so cliched and bland! While I'm not crazy about SS, at least SS is catchier than those two, imo. have you never heard the old saying that critics are failed musicians lol ;), i've personally never cared or went by anything they've said and never will. They are always wrong, what's critically acclaimed isn't always commercially acclaimed. I've often joked if i we're to release a cd, i would call it "I hope the critics hate this so it'll go #1" as a good luck charm and to get the first punch in lol ;) I use my own brain and judgement...but opinions are like ________ everyones got one! :) I guess what really irritates me is Lee is harmless, in this age of music Lee Dewyze is very talented than 70% of what's on chr radio, yet on that board no one makes fun of lyrics by those artists. Until I read posts about how immature and thoughtless alot of chr songs are I am going to continue to get irritated by post making fun of artists that are actually trying to write good songs. Sure he is no John Lennon, but he is no Taio Cruz or Black Eyed Pea either. I mean real brilliance and thought provoking song from those artists. "My Humps", "Imma Be".... "Dynamite" "Dirty Picture".. i seen a post 4 a new song on the chr board titled "Who Dat Girl" by i 4get lol, wth...that's worse than cliche, cliche and improper english lmao!
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Post by trei1658 on Nov 19, 2010 12:08:34 GMT -5
Low album sales + low single download sales + low radio exposure is not a good recipe for success. Lee has completed his big promo push and it doesn't seem to have done much. It will be interesting to see how much RCA pushes him to radio. If SS does not become a hit what incentive does RCA have to even release a second single. The key to Lee's success will be to have something to hang his hat on and right now it is not looking promising as far as sales and radio.
The way it stands now he will have to open for a larger act when he tours just like Kris Allen. I am not sure what type of solo tour he will have since in theory he has half the fanbase Kris Allen had. A solo tour may prove to be really rough for him eventhough it will have to be a smaller scale.
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Post by out of reach on Nov 19, 2010 13:00:38 GMT -5
Low album sales + low single download sales + low radio exposure is not a good recipe for success. Lee has completed his big promo push and it doesn't seem to have done much. It will be interesting to see how much RCA pushes him to radio. If SS does not become a hit what incentive does RCA have to even release a second single. The key to Lee's success will be to have something to hang his hat on and right now it is not looking promising as far as sales and radio. The way it stands now he will have to open for a larger act when he tours just like Kris Allen. I am not sure what type of solo tour he will have since in theory he has half the fanbase Kris Allen had. A solo tour may prove to be really rough for him eventhough it will have to be a smaller scale. With Lee it's going to a marathon not a quick sales. He's not done with promotion. He has the walmart soundcheck, I think he's also going to be promoted on Vevo and Idol is around the corner(I think) SS will become a moderate hit, not because it's an amazing song but it's his first single and radio is supporting it, he's been getting 6-7 adds every week and stations are actually spinning it. He's got enough to make it top 30 right now but the song will do much better, definately top 20 but it could surprise and go top 10. In any case, there is nothing wrong with being an opening act. What Adam did is out of the ordinary, Lee will probably do a bunch of radio shows, be an opening act and headline a few small venues. He's building a fanbase.
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Post by satanicfloret on Nov 19, 2010 15:19:00 GMT -5
out of reach I hate to a bit negative but don't rely on Vevo for anything. We are STILL waiting for the promised videos of Adam at their launch party and that was bloody ages ago... :/
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Post by trei1658 on Nov 19, 2010 15:32:51 GMT -5
Low album sales + low single download sales + low radio exposure is not a good recipe for success. Lee has completed his big promo push and it doesn't seem to have done much. It will be interesting to see how much RCA pushes him to radio. If SS does not become a hit what incentive does RCA have to even release a second single. The key to Lee's success will be to have something to hang his hat on and right now it is not looking promising as far as sales and radio. The way it stands now he will have to open for a larger act when he tours just like Kris Allen. I am not sure what type of solo tour he will have since in theory he has half the fanbase Kris Allen had. A solo tour may prove to be really rough for him eventhough it will have to be a smaller scale. With Lee it's going to a marathon not a quick sales. He's not done with promotion. He has the walmart soundcheck, I think he's also going to be promoted on Vevo and Idol is around the corner(I think) SS will become a moderate hit, not because it's an amazing song but it's his first single and radio is supporting it, he's been getting 6-7 adds every week and stations are actually spinning it. He's got enough to make it top 30 right now but the song will do much better, definately top 20 but it could surprise and go top 10. In any case, there is nothing wrong with being an opening act. What Adam did is out of the ordinary, Lee will probably do a bunch of radio shows, be an opening act and headline a few small venues. He's building a fanbase. Lee's Walmart souncheck has already premiered but from reports it is not being played in stores, just online. The MV may help his single sales but may not do much for album sales. He won't appear on idol until the spring, way too late. 6-7 adds a week is good but he still has gotten few major market adds and a large portion of his spins continue to be in the overnight hours.
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Post by out of reach on Nov 19, 2010 15:45:25 GMT -5
My point is this. HotAC is not CHR and the song is coming along, not great but moving in the right direction. It will be interesting to see what HotAC does with Crystal's single(FD). Not amazing either but she seems to be getting big wigs at VH1 interested in her she may get more exposure than Lee.
Personally i'm interested to see what happens to Lee and this song but i'm not really a fan, so I don't have a vested interest in this.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 16:12:16 GMT -5
I think from here out, i'm just gonna wait and see what i believe will happen :), i'll check back in when "SS" has peaked at HOT AC, AC, CHR and VH1.
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Post by Rumors on Nov 19, 2010 16:37:55 GMT -5
Is VH1 playing his video? I don't watch that channel has much as I used to in the mornings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 18:38:57 GMT -5
Is VH1 playing his video? I don't watch that channel has much as I used to in the mornings. I believe Lee's video is premiering on VH1 tomorrow morning on their Top 20 show. Lee will also be on it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 18:40:26 GMT -5
My point is this. HotAC is not CHR and the song is coming along, not great but moving in the right direction. It will be interesting to see what HotAC does with Crystal's single(FD). Not amazing either but she seems to be getting big wigs at VH1 interested in her she may get more exposure than Lee. Personally i'm interested to see what happens to Lee and this song but i'm not really a fan, so I don't have a vested interest in this. This isn't a Crystal thread but that Farmer's Daughter song of hers is going to be a VERY hard sell on radio anywhere but possibly AAA or country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 18:43:58 GMT -5
Some people are writing Lee off way too soon, perhaps purposefully? in any case, he still has at least a couple potential smashes on his album that he could release, BLY and M&MJ, it all depends on how willing RCA is to go with a second single. BLY especially, sounds like it could really be a hit with the right promotion and such, but only time will tell if that actually happens.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 18:45:41 GMT -5
Is VH1 playing his video? I don't watch that channel has much as I used to in the mornings. it suppost to debut in the top 20 countdown on vh1
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 18:52:04 GMT -5
Some people are writing Lee off way too soon, perhaps purposefully? in any case, he still has at least a couple potential smashes on his album that he could release, BLY and M&MJ, it all depends on how willing RCA is to go with a second single. BLY especially, sounds like it could really be a hit with the right promotion and such, but only time will tell if that actually happens. I haven't seen this much negativity on an artist in a while lol. everyone seems like they are hoping he'll fail, analyzing every update almost ocd' ish lmao of how his bullet is! They are downing his lyrics, star power and first single, which i actually love! Adam Lambert i personally don't like,P!nk wrote his biggest hit and she kills it and makes u 4get Adam sings it when u hear her version. But i don't go bashing him on boards and analyzin the sh_t out of his songs, promotion... goodness sake i love music and am very passionate about music and can pretty much guess chart peaks or where they deserve to be just by hearing a song but when it comes to all this chart talk and numbers and promotions and etc and etc and etc, i'm like who cares! just listen to music if u love it and change the station if u don't. a good song will always find it's way!
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 20, 2010 9:46:37 GMT -5
IMO this song is a mess
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Post by Hook on Nov 20, 2010 11:21:46 GMT -5
Unlike Kris Allen, David Cook, Lambert, etc., Lee insisted on writing all the songs himself - you gotta respect the guy for it, but career-wise I think it was a big mistake - I think he's a much better singer than he is a songwriter You're mistaken. Kris Allen and David Cook both wrote most of their debut albums. Cook wrote 10 of 12 songs. Kris wrote 9 of 12. The labels just decided to release ones they didn't write as the first and second singles. Lee wrote 10 of 11 songs. I think Lee has a lot of potential as a songwriter. Again I point to "Me and My Jealousy" as an example. He needs a whole album of songs that strong.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 20, 2010 12:46:28 GMT -5
After seeing all the positive comments about Me & My Jealousy and especially Beautiful Like You, finally checked out both songs. I don't get what's so good about MMJ. Quite like the melody for BLY. However.... now I understand what all those album reviews have been talking about. The lyrics are so cliched and bland! While I'm not crazy about SS, at least SS is catchier than those two, imo. have you never heard the old saying that critics are failed musicians lol ;), i've personally never cared or went by anything they've said and never will. They are always wrong, what's critically acclaimed isn't always commercially acclaimed. I've often joked if i we're to release a cd, i would call it "I hope the critics hate this so it'll go #1" as a good luck charm and to get the first punch in lol ;) I use my own brain and judgement...but opinions are like ________ everyones got one! :) I guess what really irritates me is Lee is harmless, in this age of music Lee Dewyze is very talented than 70% of what's on chr radio, yet on that board no one makes fun of lyrics by those artists. Until I read posts about how immature and thoughtless alot of chr songs are I am going to continue to get irritated by post making fun of artists that are actually trying to write good songs. Sure he is no John Lennon, but he is no Taio Cruz or Black Eyed Pea either. I mean real brilliance and thought provoking song from those artists. "My Humps", "Imma Be".... "Dynamite" "Dirty Picture".. i seen a post 4 a new song on the chr board titled "Who Dat Girl" by i 4get lol, wth...that's worse than cliche, cliche and improper english lmao! Oh please, I know how to judge songs for myself. Spare me all those lecture just because I said I didn't like just two of Lee's songs. I hate 95% of the songs on CHR, and don't listen to a single one of the Pop songs that you listed, so what's your point?
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 20, 2010 13:05:14 GMT -5
Unlike Kris Allen, David Cook, Lambert, etc., Lee insisted on writing all the songs himself - you gotta respect the guy for it, but career-wise I think it was a big mistake - I think he's a much better singer than he is a songwriter You're mistaken. Kris Allen and David Cook both wrote most of their debut albums. Cook wrote 10 of 12 songs. Kris wrote 9 of 12. The labels just decided to release ones they didn't write as the first and second singles. Bottom line is though IMO neither David Cook, Kris Allen, or Adam Lambert had strong enough songwriting skills to write their own big hit single - if Lee wanted a big hit, he should've let an accomplished songwriter write a rock ballad for him The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions)
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Post by Hook on Nov 20, 2010 15:08:42 GMT -5
Bottom line is though IMO neither David Cook, Kris Allen, or Adam Lambert had strong enough songwriting skills to write their own big hit single - if Lee wanted a big hit, he should've let an accomplished songwriter write a rock ballad for him The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions) I completely disagree with you about David Cook. IMO the two singles that were released were some of the weakest tracks on the album. The label really misfired there. Back to Lee, I really don't think he'd be doing any better if he had a single that was written by a hit songwriter. The guy is going to really struggle to get a career, more than any past idol. The material isn't really the problem, I don't think.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 20, 2010 15:17:58 GMT -5
have you never heard the old saying that critics are failed musicians lol ;), i've personally never cared or went by anything they've said and never will. They are always wrong, what's critically acclaimed isn't always commercially acclaimed. I've often joked if i we're to release a cd, i would call it "I hope the critics hate this so it'll go #1" as a good luck charm and to get the first punch in lol ;) I use my own brain and judgement...but opinions are like ________ everyones got one! :) I guess what really irritates me is Lee is harmless, in this age of music Lee Dewyze is very talented than 70% of what's on chr radio, yet on that board no one makes fun of lyrics by those artists. Until I read posts about how immature and thoughtless alot of chr songs are I am going to continue to get irritated by post making fun of artists that are actually trying to write good songs. Sure he is no John Lennon, but he is no Taio Cruz or Black Eyed Pea either. I mean real brilliance and thought provoking song from those artists. "My Humps", "Imma Be".... "Dynamite" "Dirty Picture".. i seen a post 4 a new song on the chr board titled "Who Dat Girl" by i 4get lol, wth...that's worse than cliche, cliche and improper english lmao! Oh please, I know how to judge songs for myself. Spare me all those lecture just because I said I didn't like just two of Lee's songs. I hate 95% of the songs on CHR, and don't listen to a single one of the Pop songs that you listed, so what's your point? i'm not sure ???
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Post by brb on Nov 20, 2010 17:58:58 GMT -5
The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions) There are many pop artists that don't write their own songs and are still doing good and making hits. I don't think songwriting skills --> longevity. Back to Lee, I really don't think he'd be doing any better if he had a single that was written by a hit songwriter. The guy is going to really struggle to get a career, more than any past idol. The material isn't really the problem, I don't think. IA. I wonder if RCA will even give him a 2nd single and if they do, I think they probably won't push it much.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 20, 2010 23:01:07 GMT -5
The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions) There are many pop artists that don't write their own songs and are still doing good and making hits. I don't think songwriting skills --> longevity. Wait - you gotta look at the whole post - I was saying that IF you don't have the skills to write hit songs yourself, you need to get hit songwriters to write for you Do you guys really think that this would be a hit if Jason Mraz recorded it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 23:57:32 GMT -5
The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions) There are many pop artists that don't write their own songs and are still doing good and making hits. I don't think songwriting skills --> longevity. Back to Lee, I really don't think he'd be doing any better if he had a single that was written by a hit songwriter. The guy is going to really struggle to get a career, more than any past idol. The material isn't really the problem, I don't think. IA. I wonder if RCA will even give him a 2nd single and if they do, I think they probably won't push it much. RCA will give him a second single. They aren't going to give up on him that quickly, much to a lot of people's chagrin. ;)
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 21, 2010 11:56:52 GMT -5
You're mistaken. Kris Allen and David Cook both wrote most of their debut albums. Cook wrote 10 of 12 songs. Kris wrote 9 of 12. The labels just decided to release ones they didn't write as the first and second singles. Bottom line is though IMO neither David Cook, Kris Allen, or Adam Lambert had strong enough songwriting skills to write their own big hit single - if Lee wanted a big hit, he should've let an accomplished songwriter write a rock ballad for him The problem with A. I. IMO is that contestants are based on vocal ability, and songwriting skills aren't even considered - which is fine, until they have to start putting out hit material - so people write one or two hit songs for them, and then they disappear into oblivion (with a few exceptions) I for one am glad that AI is letting these artists write their own material. I thought AI had total control over the first album as they did with Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. Anyway, regardless, perhaps those who write their own songs sacrifice a big hit or two doing it their own way, but singers make A LOT more money writing their own music. As far as whether "SS" will become a big hit, I have two words to show that it very well may: Sara Barellies. As most people here recall, her first hit "Love Song" all but stalled out in the mid teens, and almost got lost in the shuffle during the holiday break. Then the song slowly started rising again in January of that year, then accelerated up the charts, finally becoming one of the biggest hits of 2008. Also, another small little band that only a few people have heard of by now, the Script, had perhaps the slowest ever rising song to number one in the history of any music chart with "Breakeven". It will now probably finish in the top 2 for 2010, perhaps only behind "Hey, Soul Sister". My point here of course is that on the Hot AC chart there have been many very slowly climbing songs in recent years that have had nice long runs in the top 10. So for anyone thinking it's time to give up on "SS", well I think they are being way premature. Until I see a 200 spin decrease in any given week, the song still has as good a chance as any here to hit the top 10 or beyond, no matter what the quality of the song is.
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Post by Rumors on Nov 21, 2010 15:33:49 GMT -5
I watched the VH1 countdown this weekend and saw Lee and his video. There's nothing special about the video but it will do it's purpose and get some exposure for Lee and his first single. I did like the song better after seeing the video. Don't know why that happens sometimes but we all know it does. Lee is very likeable as has been the case for past AI winners. That's not going to be his problem nor is it is voice. His voice is fine. No need to repeat what I think the problem will be. Regardless, good luck to Lee.
Interesting point about Sara B. I was reading a post on the velvet rope about the firing of the head of Epic Records (Sara's label). Apparently, Sara was signed based on the strength of a song she already had written, Love Song. Label knew that song was a hit. So I'm not sure she's a good comparison here for Lee. Long Song may have slowed down going up the charts but the intent was there by the label to push the song and push it hard.
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