Billboard Hot 100: 9/29/12

[Deleted]

Sept 18, 2012 7:13:46 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

With just airplay for this tracking week, would Aguilera's single already debut, as high as in the 70s? I know it was going to paid subscription outlets, but not sure if that was last week or yesterday).

Taylor debuted in the high 70's with 3 times as much airplay. I think she'll only make bubbling under.

[HolidayGuy]

nivekwriter1- the digital sales didn't start until Monday, so those points would be applied to the 10/6 chart.

[dlostfan]

This week is really a toss-up between M5 and Swift. The two songs should be tied on Airplay (OMN has had a better BDS/Mediabase ratio). Swift will sell around 50k more while M5 will have 600-700k more streams.

It is going to be really really close.

[HolidayGuy]

Any notable airplay for Prince's new single? It premiered yesterday. Not really expecting much, as he has not had a radio hit in some time, but some action would be nice.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Sept 18, 2012 9:30:58 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Maybe some people don't like what they hear. Flip the script...PSY is #1, but barely any airplay compared to Pink.

That's a wild assumtion. At least look at the callout scores first.

[Envoirment]

Sept 18, 2012 11:04:48 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Any notable airplay for Prince's new single? It premiered yesterday. Not really expecting much, as he has not had a radio hit in some time, but some action would be nice.

It's top 50 on HAC:

0 46 PRINCE RNR Affair 178 0 178 2.422

And top 50 on Urban AC:

0 47 PRINCE RNR Affair 86 0 86 1.303

[HolidayGuy]

Yah- saw that after inquiring. Thanks, though. :)

[nivekwriter1]

Sept 18, 2012 10:52:24 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

nivekwriter1- the digital sales didn't start until Monday, so those points would be applied to the 10/6 chart.

Yes, you're right.
It's saying that it would debut in the high #70's
but I think it won't make the hot 100,
maybe bubbling under.

[Enigma.]

Regarding Prince: Those are quite good numbers, aren't they?

[newpower99]

Sept 18, 2012 11:29:43 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Sept 18, 2012 11:04:48 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Any notable airplay for Prince's new single? It premiered yesterday. Not really expecting much, as he has not had a radio hit in some time, but some action would be nice.

It's top 50 on HAC:

0 46 PRINCE RNR Affair 178 0 178 2.422

And top 50 on Urban AC:

0 47 PRINCE RNR Affair 86 0 86 1.303

AC

0 23 PRINCE RNR Affair 181 0 181 4.464

[Deleted]

Retro Top 10's for this week:

1 year ago (10/1/11)

1 1 Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 ft. Christina Aguilera (3rd week of 4 @ #1)
2 2 Someone Like You - Adele
3 3 Pumped Up Kicks - Foster The People
4 4 Party Rock Anthem - LMFAO ft. Lauren Bennett & GoonRock
5 6 Stereo Hearts - Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine
6 5 Lighters - Bad Meets Evil ft. Bruno Mars
7 11 You Make Me Feel... - Cobra Starship ft. Sabi
8 10 Cheers (Drink To That) - Rihanna
9 7 Super Bass - Nicki Minaj
10 8 You And I - Lady Gaga


5 years ago (9/29/07)

1 2 Stronger - Kanye West (1st and only week @ #1)
2 1 Crank That (Soulja Boy) - Soulja Boy
3 4 The Way I Are - Timbaland ft. Keri Hilson & D.O.E.
4 3 Big Girls Don't Cry - Fergie
5 19 Ayo Technology - 50 Cent ft. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland
6 11 Bed - J Holiday
7 10 Let It Go - Keyshia Cole ft. Missy Elliott & Lil' Kim
8 6 Rockstar - Nickelback
9 14 Who Knew - P!nk
10 9 Shawty - Plies ft. T-Pain


10 years ago (9/28/02)

1 1 Dilemma - Nelly & Kelly Rowland (7th week of 10 @ #1)
2 2 Gangsta Lovin' - Eve ft. Alicia Keys
3 3 Complicated - Avril Lavigne
4 4 Cleanin' Out My Closet - Eminem
5 6 I Need A Girl (Part Two) - P Diddy ft. Ginuwine, Loon, Mario Winans & Tammy Ruggeri
6 7 One Last Breath - Creed
7 5 Hot In Herre - Nelly
8 9 Just Like A Pill - P!nk
9 8 Happy - Ashanti
10 11 Gotta Get Thru This - Daniel Bedingfield


15 years ago (9/27/97)

1 1 Honey - Mariah Carey (3rd and final week @ #1)
2 - 4 Seasons Of Loneliness - Boyz II Men
3 3 You Make Me Wanna... - Usher
4 5 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
5 2 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) - Backstreet Boys
6 4 Mo Money Mo Problems - Notorious B.I.G. ft. Puff Daddy & Mase
7 6 I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy ft. Faith Evans & 112
8 7 2 Become 1 - Spice Girls
9 8 Semi-Charmed Life - Third Eye Blind
10 10 Foolish Games / You Were Meant For Me - Jewel


Hot 100 Airplay from 15 years ago

1 3 Foolish Games - Jewel (1st week of 3 @ #1)
2 1 Semi-Charmed Life - Third Eye Blind
3 2 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) - Backstreet Boys
4 9 Fly - Sugar Ray

[wavey.]

-Yes @ Keyshia finally getting her first Top 10 that year.
-Ayo Technology is still a good song.
-Gotta Get Thru This!! I didn't know this hit Top 10! It was everywhere.

[Rodze]

Sept 18, 2012 9:22:50 GMT -5 neverduplicated said:

Congrats to P!nk on an airplay number 1! I am curious, though, as to how this song is number 1 in airplay and yet sales are so tepid. I am not trying to stir up controversy - I actually like Pink - but the song has sold just over 1 million and isn't even in the top 10 of Itunes. How can that be? Perhaps we'll see big album sales.

Seems to be a thing with radio lately.

"Where Have You Been", Demi PayoLovato and now Pink.

Combined with the "deals" for new songs and the fact radio has more power on the Hot 100 than before, we end up with this horrible chart as of late, more manipulated by labels and less influenced by the audience.

[HolidayGuy]

So that around 8m in Mediabase audience for Prince's track. Not bad.

Rodze- that may be why on-demand was added to the Hot 100 mix. Though, like other things, it's probably not "unique" plays (i.e. if something has 400,000 streams, it's probably not 400,000 different users listening to something once each).

[singingsparrow]

I'm absolutely relieved, for one, that we have more balance in the composition of the American Top 100 singles chart.

It is beyond embarrassing glimpsing at the United Kingdom Top 75 chart now, ever since it became 100% predicated on digital sales. I cringe imagining what it will look like once the television season ramps up again and, thus, an endless deluge of catalog singles contaminating the current single chart again.

Namaste,
lisping HIBISCUS

[Verisimilitude]

Sept 18, 2012 18:10:21 GMT -5 @singingsparrow said:

I'm absolutely relieved, for one, that we have more balance in the composition of the American Top 100 singles chart.

It is beyond embarrassing glimpsing at the United Kingdom Top 75 chart now, ever since it became 100% predicated on digital sales. I cringe imagining what it will look like once the television season ramps up again and, thus, an endless deluge of catalog singles contaminating the current single chart again.

But you act like every single chart in the world included airplay in their singles chart. Until 2007, only New Zealand's singles chart incorporated airplay.

The Billboard Hot 100 is far from perfect either.

[renfield75]

Sept 18, 2012 18:09:05 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

So that around 8m in Mediabase audience for Prince's track. Not bad.

Rodze- that may be why on-demand was added to the Hot 100 mix. Though, like other things, it's probably not "unique" plays (i.e. if something has 400,000 streams, it's probably not 400,000 different users listening to something once each).

It's nice to see a new Prince single get any action at radio, although I imagine it will have no legs outside of Urban AC.

Of course it would also be logical for him to get it on iTunes, but Prince never does commercially logical things. "Extra Loveable" got some decent sales last fall but zero promo at radio. He just dumped it on iTunes and forgot all about it. The man is determined to not make sense.

[Enigma.]

Hmmm.. The Hot 100 is not a sales chart, it's never been and it never will be. People shouldn't take it as a "proper" singles chart.

It's the most talked-about chart in the world, however. And I write news about it next to the UK singles chart so I regularly point out the difference, which I think is not clear to most people.

[jebsib]

Spoilt, the Hot 100 WAS a sales chart, between 1968 and 1973. Airplay only minimally impacted the lower 50. But you're essentially correct.

[Enigma.]

Ah ok, thanks! Should really read about the history of Billboard charts. Pre-80s is somewhat unclear to me still..

[Deleted]

Sept 19, 2012 6:41:46 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Spoilt, the Hot 100 WAS a sales chart, between 1968 and 1973. Airplay only minimally impacted the lower 50. But you're essentially correct.

Yes, it sampled sales list from 100 record stores and fed them into an "electronic data processing system" or so the explanation per recent AT40 broadcasts from those years

[Lozzy]

9/19 airplay updates:

1. PINK - Blow Me (One Last Kiss): 136.237 (+ 1.487)
2. ELLIE GOULDING - Lights: 131.885 (− 1.835)
3. FLO RIDA - Whistle: 124.994 (− 0.195)
4. KATY PERRY - Wide Awake: 119.280 (− 1.923)
5. TAYLOR SWIFT - We Are Never Ever Getting…: 117.125 (+ 1.529)
6. NEON TREES - Everybody Talks: 114.654 (− 0.699)
7. MAROON 5 - One More Night: 109.601 (+ 2.564)
8. JUSTIN BIEBER - As Long As You Love Me: 108.547 (+ 1.941)
9. DEMI LOVATO - Give Your Heart A Break: 101.162 (− 1.162)
10. FUN. - Some Nights: 94.539 (+ 1.796)
11. OWL CITY & CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Good Time: 93.220 (+ 1.253)
12. GOTYE - Somebody That I Used To Know: 90.893 (− 0.012)
13. MAROON 5 - Payphone f/Wiz Khalifa: 90.702 (− 2.595)
14. DAVID GUETTA - Titanium f/Sia: 88.051 (− 1.568)
15. RIHANNA - Where Have You Been: 84.736 (− 1.848)
16. NICKI MINAJ - Pound The Alarm: 81.388 (+ 0.518)
17. ALEX CLARE - Too Close: 79.624 (+ 1.673)
18. CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Call Me Maybe: 77.930 (− 1.138)
19. CHRIS BROWN - Don’t Wake Me Up: 68.781 (+ 1.504)
20. KANYE WEST - Mercy f/Big Sean/Pusha T…: 66.345 (− 0.560)

HUNTER HAYES - Wanted: 62.345 (+ 0.175)
JASON ALDEAN - Take A Little Ride: 59.094 (+ 0.386)
MIGUEL - Adorn: 54.110 (+ 1.314)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Blown Away: 48.715 (+ 1.252)
JASON MRAZ - I Won’t Give Up: 47.927 (− 0.237)
NE-YO - Let Me Love You: 47.390 (+ 1.761)
TRAIN - 50 Ways To Say Goodbye: 43.146 (+ 0.810)
DAVID GUETTA - I Can Only Imagine f/C. Brown: 42.152 (+ 1.124)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - Finally Found You f/S. Adams: 33.273 (+ 0.922)
KARMIN - Hello: 30.829 (+ 0.958)
MATCHBOX TWENTY - She’s So Mean: 30.143 (− 0.077)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS - Home: 29.824 (+ 0.762)
BEYONCE - Dance For You: 22.467 (+ 0.437)
PSY - Gangnam Style: 22.347 (+ 2.055)
ONEREPUBLIC - Feel Again: 19.645 (+ 0.756)
KANYE WEST - Clique f/Big Sean & JAY-Z: 18.585 (+ 1.591)
CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Your Body: 17.051 (+ 1.390)
USHER - Numb: 15.851 (+ 1.132)
ALICIA KEYS - Girl On Fire: 14.888 (+ 1.097)
OLLY MURS - Heart Skips A Beat: 14.429 (+ 0.144)
MUMFORD & SONS - I Will Wait: 12.759 (+ 0.007)
MUSE - Madness: 12.021 (+ 0.182)

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[jebsib]

Sept 19, 2012 6:52:42 GMT -5 @2m said:

Sept 19, 2012 6:41:46 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Spoilt, the Hot 100 WAS a sales chart, between 1968 and 1973. Airplay only minimally impacted the lower 50. But you're essentially correct.

Yes, it sampled sales list from 100 record stores and fed them into an "electronic data processing system" or so the explanation per recent AT40 broadcasts from those years

2m, more specifically if you go on Google books (page 3 of the 5/11/68 issue), you can see that starting in 1968, the Hot 100 jettisoned airplay and relied only on 21 national markets:

BB SHEDS AIRPLAY FACTOR IN TOP HALF OF HOT 100

“The top half of Billboard's Hot 100 chart will no longer utilize the airplay ingredient it had been using in the past because of the number of Top 40 format stations which have changed the tabulating process of their printed playlists. This part of the chart is now being tabulated solely from dealers' sales reports from 21 markets across the country."

I guess AM stations were too unreliable in the late 60s.

[Lozzy]

Why did they keep airplay for the bottom half, though?

[Deleted]

Sept 19, 2012 7:42:05 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Sept 19, 2012 6:52:42 GMT -5 @2m said:

Yes, it sampled sales list from 100 record stores and fed them into an "electronic data processing system" or so the explanation per recent AT40 broadcasts from those years

2m, more specifically if you go on Google books (page 3 of the 5/11/68 issue), you can see that starting in 1968, the Hot 100 jettisoned airplay and relied only on 21 national markets:

BB SHEDS AIRPLAY FACTOR IN TOP HALF OF HOT 100

“The top half of Billboard's Hot 100 chart will no longer utilize the airplay ingredient it had been using in the past because of the number of Top 40 format stations which have changed the tabulating process of their printed playlists. This part of the chart is now being tabulated solely from dealers' sales reports from 21 markets across the country."

I guess AM stations were too unreliable in the late 60s.

The episodes I listened too were early 70s, it probably evolved into 100 record stores by that point. And per the explanation given by CK that it was strictly a sales chart even then.


Edit: for those who don't know their music history, a "record" is a big CD. For those really young, a CD is what people used to purchase in stores before the days of digital and free downloading ;)

[jebsib]

Sept 19, 2012 7:43:10 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

Why did they keep airplay for the bottom half, though?

I have no idea; makes no sense to incorporate airplay JUST in the bottom 50. I'll chalk it up to late-60s psychedelia effecting the chart managers!

[jughead]

I don't ever recall Taylor being this high since You Belong With Me.

[Lozzy]

Sept 19, 2012 8:45:52 GMT -5 jughead said:

I don't ever recall Taylor being this high since You Belong With Me.

That would be because she hasn't been this high since "You Belong With Me".

[jughead]

What was You Belong With Me's AI peak?

[HolidayGuy]

Got this info from a Canadian music blog:

Taylor Swift's single sold another 226K last week; PSY at No. 4, with 188K.

"Lights" still No. 1 on On-Demand, with 906K listens.