MusicMan88
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Post by MusicMan88 on Jul 26, 2006 15:02:14 GMT -5
What point are you trying to make here? Are you saying that just because critics say it sounds good means it's automatically good? Please. I didn't say that at all. I said it gets you recognition. Stop trying to twist what I said. I purposely didn't say it means your song is good because what's good and what's bad is subjective. I wasn't trying to twist anything. Your post didn't make sense so I was trying to decipher the meaning. I can name plenty of artists that produce their own music AND sound good that still don't get recognition... what's the solution there?
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Post by Niarchos on Jul 26, 2006 16:13:48 GMT -5
So true what Jewel said. I'm glad the article gives credit to talented songwriters like Nelly, Shakira, Pink and the others :) me 2
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Post by Jeff on Jul 26, 2006 16:32:44 GMT -5
It's sad that the lady totally skipped X-Tina. Who basically wrote her entire last 2 albums.
And i think alot of people will change their minds about Kelly. People tend to forget that with AI there's ties, that to be a co-writer on 4 tracks on her debut was amazing in itself.
With her 2nd, David and Ben both have said that with "Because Of You" it was practically done when it was presented to them. "Addicted" could have been the same way....
With her writing and recording her entire 3rd album on tour, she'll have more song writing credibility, and hopefully as her career builds more and more by each album, she'll start producing and mixing her own stuff (which I know she's interested in)
Breakaway was a huge step in Kelly's career, but she's got many more huge mountians to climb in her career. But if anyone can do it, Kelly can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 16:47:05 GMT -5
Unless I missed them, it seems that a few high profile names were left out of that article.
To name a few, Alanis M., Christina A., and Shania were all missing from that article.
I'm shocked that none of those artists were mentioned.
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spooky21
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Post by spooky21 on Jul 26, 2006 17:34:43 GMT -5
What exactly is a serious singer?
My biggest pet peeve in music is people who deem folky/acoustic/bluesy, etc singers "serious" and dismiss other artists because they do Pop music. Especially when there are tons of singers doing Pop music who write and produce their own music.
Just because the masses likes a female singer doesn't mean they are not a "serious" singer. Especially clear if the base standards you are using for comparison are writing and producing.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jul 26, 2006 17:48:31 GMT -5
What exactly is a serious singer? My biggest pet peeve in music is people who deem folky/acoustic/bluesy, etc singers "serious" and dismiss other artists because they do Pop music. Especially when there are tons of singers doing Pop music who write and produce their own music. Just because the masses likes a female singer doesn't mean they are not a "serious" singer. Especially clear if the base standards you are using for comparison are writing and producing. OMG spooky! You just hit the nail on the head. BEST POST EVER! People only take indie/acoustic/folky artists that don't get played on the radio and don't sell that much seriously. I totally agree with you. I've ALWAYS thought that as well. Just because a singer also dances all day instead of singing a serious ballad on the guitar or piano doesn't mean they can't be taken seriously. People like Christina, Beyonce, Britney, etc. they always get written off because they show off their body while dancing on stage and don't get taken seriously because they get known as whores or sluts. They work just as hard on their material as all those "serious" singers. Critics agree as well. Their albums usually get good reviews. I respect all those indie/acoustic singers but it really sucks when all those female pop singers get written off just because they're not sitting down on a chair playing an instrument or singing a mellow song. I love you for bringing that up spooky!
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Post by Jeff on Jul 26, 2006 17:52:58 GMT -5
^What's 2 weeks at #1 in your avie? I can't read.
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Post by How Do You Do? on Jul 26, 2006 18:00:53 GMT -5
What exactly is a serious singer? My biggest pet peeve in music is people who deem folky/acoustic/bluesy, etc singers "serious" and dismiss other artists because they do Pop music. Especially when there are tons of singers doing Pop music who write and produce their own music. Just because the masses likes a female singer doesn't mean they are not a "serious" singer. Especially clear if the base standards you are using for comparison are writing and producing. Exactly. And that same double-standard only applies to female artists, especially women who have the nerve to show some skin. Take out Britney Spears and you have a point. Britney is not a real artist - she hasn't written even 1/4 of her material, she doesn't play an instrument, she doesn't produce or arrange any part of her music and she can't sing very well. She's a great entertainer, but not an artist IMO. Christina, Beyonce, Kelly, Nelly, Janet, Mariah, Shakira, Shania, and Pink all have more artistic credibility.
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MusicMan88
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Post by MusicMan88 on Jul 26, 2006 18:17:39 GMT -5
What exactly is a serious singer? My biggest pet peeve in music is people who deem folky/acoustic/bluesy, etc singers "serious" and dismiss other artists because they do Pop music. Especially when there are tons of singers doing Pop music who write and produce their own music. Just because the masses likes a female singer doesn't mean they are not a "serious" singer. Especially clear if the base standards you are using for comparison are writing and producing. Exactly. And that same double-standard only applies to female artists, especially women who have the nerve to show some skin. I wouldn't call it "the nerve"... I would call it "sex sells." And whether people want to admit it or not, a woman who writes her own lyrics and music, records her own vocals, and produces her own records has more credibility than one who sings someone else's songs over someone else's beats. That is just obvious Does that mean that the women who do that are less talented? No, it does not. It means they're talented in different areas and make a different style of music. It's really pointless to compare singer-songwriters to pop stars because they are two completely different products.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 26, 2006 18:24:18 GMT -5
Anyone can write a song, but to sing it is diffrent. I'm turned off by these indie/folk women 'cause none of them have voices. I like Christina, Mariah, Kelly.... big beautiful voices by women who respect and love music. Who feel what they sing, grab and hold your attention.
Fionna Apple, Machelle Brance, Nelly Furtado, Norah Jones... all these singer/songwriter types just don't have the one thing you need, a good strong powerful voice.
plus, another thing I really like they didn't put Norah jones in there, 'cause like she wrote 1 song on her 1st Cd, but she's such a good songwriter? WTF?
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Post by MusicMan88 on Jul 26, 2006 18:35:12 GMT -5
^^What the heck, so you're saying because these woman don't have "big beautiful voices" that they don't love and respect music? That they don't feel what they sing and hold your attention?
I don't understand how anyone could listen to Fiona Apple and say she does have a voice. I would rather listen to a voice like FioNa Apple's or MIchelle BraCH's over a powerhouse voice like Kelly or Christina's anyday. It's a matter of prefrence, not passion for the music they make.
And if the one thing you supposedly need is a "good strong powerful" voice than half of the musicians out there would be obsolete.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 26, 2006 18:47:54 GMT -5
^^What the heck, so you're saying because these woman don't have "big beautiful voices" that they don't love and respect music? That they don't feel what they sing and hold your attention? I don't understand how anyone could listen to Fiona Apple and say she does have a voice. I would rather listen to a voice like FioNa Apple's or MIchelle BraCH's over a powerhouse voice like Kelly or Christina's anyday. It's a matter of prefrence, not passion for the music they make. And if the one thing you supposedly need is a "good strong powerful" voice than half of the musicians out there would be obsolete. 1. I never said that Fiona Apple or Michell Brach didn't have love for music. Nor they don't feel what they sing 2. No they don't hold my attention. When I'm watching or hearing someone sing, I wait for the note that will give me chills. All I stated was my prefrence. I would pick up a Kelly Clarkson flop anyday over a Fionna 10X platinum grammy winning CD. It's all about prefrence. And plese don't put words in my mouth or assume I ment something when i didn't, just ask. I never questioned your opinion, so please don't question mine.
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Post by cherry on Jul 27, 2006 0:59:53 GMT -5
It's sad that the lady totally skipped X-Tina. Who basically wrote her entire last 2 albums. And i think alot of people will change their minds about Kelly. People tend to forget that with AI there's ties, that to be a co-writer on 4 tracks on her debut was amazing in itself. With her 2nd, David and Ben both have said that with "Because Of You" it was practically done when it was presented to them. "Addicted" could have been the same way.... With her writing and recording her entire 3rd album on tour, she'll have more song writing credibility, and hopefully as her career builds more and more by each album, she'll start producing and mixing her own stuff (which I know she's interested in) Breakaway was a huge step in Kelly's career, but she's got many more huge mountians to climb in her career. But if anyone can do it, Kelly can. I had no idea they both had some much input in their album. I'm really impressed with Kelly writing "because of you". I love that song.
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Post by Minimalism on Jul 27, 2006 7:13:42 GMT -5
I love: Mariah, Jewel, Christina, Tori, Kelly, Alicia. Though they are all different, I think they are all vey very talented in their own ways. I hate: the likes of Paris Hilton or Linsday Lohan. Girls who are clearly won't be anywhere near the music world if they don't have a good look.
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Post by spooky21 on Jul 27, 2006 7:58:56 GMT -5
Exactly. And that same double-standard only applies to female artists, especially women who have the nerve to show some skin. It's really pointless to compare singer-songwriters to pop stars because they are two completely different products. There it is again. There are "pop stars" that are singer-songwriters, you know. Yep. Captain Obvious to the rescue.
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Post by Hook on Jul 27, 2006 10:10:46 GMT -5
What exactly is a serious singer? My biggest pet peeve in music is people who deem folky/acoustic/bluesy, etc singers "serious" and dismiss other artists because they do Pop music. Especially when there are tons of singers doing Pop music who write and produce their own music. Just because the masses likes a female singer doesn't mean they are not a "serious" singer. Especially clear if the base standards you are using for comparison are writing and producing. It's the lyrics and subject matter. The fact is, much of pop music today is fluff. Britney Spears is not a serious musician and no one will ever tell me otherwise. Mariah is talented(I had no idea she writes her own lyrics), she's just not trying to do the whole 'serious music' thing. With her, it's always about the voice and the music of the song. Which is fine, but that's why she's always included in the pop vocalists category. An example of someone who does pop music and is one of the 'serious singers' is Anna Nalick. It is possible to do it without being Folk/Blues/Roots.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 27, 2006 10:56:03 GMT -5
And i think alot of people will change their minds about Kelly. People tend to forget that with AI there's ties, that to be a co-writer on 4 tracks on her debut was amazing in itself.
That she was the first AI winner to have songs co-written by the winner on their own CD?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 27, 2006 11:06:03 GMT -5
Anyone can write a song, but to sing it is diffrent. I'm turned off by these indie/folk women 'cause none of them have voices. I like Christina, Mariah, Kelly.... big beautiful voices by women who respect and love music. Who feel what they sing, grab and hold your attention. Fionna Apple, Machelle Brance, Nelly Furtado, Norah Jones... all these singer/songwriter types just don't have the one thing you need, a good strong powerful voice. plus, another thing I really like they didn't put Norah jones in there, 'cause like she wrote 1 song on her 1st Cd, but she's such a good songwriter? WTF?
Norah has a second CD...
Anyway, the list of singers you love seem to be all of the same type. Big voices. To me, singers come in a wide variety of singing styles and different types. There are the big voices like Mariah and Christina, and then you have delicate like Jewel's or Norah's, or classy like Sarah Slean. I mean, some people would like to enjoy good jazzy-style or cabaret-style singing and someone with a voice like Kelly Clarkson would ruin that because of how they sing and adlib all the time. Those singers are fine for the songs they sing (most of the time) but a lot of the time, there are songs that can't be sung by those guys. Big beautiful voices are only type of singing and they give a result of one type. I know I'd be really bored with music and songs if the only music I listened to were Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston and Kelly Clarkson.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 12:38:26 GMT -5
And a 3rd...she does lead vocals for the Little Willies
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