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Post by think pink. on Jun 5, 2014 20:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 18:08:10 GMT -5
His response to the leaked Justin Bieber videos:
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 7, 2014 18:25:20 GMT -5
I've always been an Usher fan, but I've never found him hot at all. But lately? WTF. He is looking SOOOOO GOOD.
I can't wait for this album!
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Post by divasummer on Jun 8, 2014 8:05:39 GMT -5
L4M is a 14 (or 18 deluxe-)track album with 3 pop songs on it. Its sales don't prove anything regarding pop Usher, really, since there were a few different factors at the time that likely played a factor in its performance. Makes for a convenient scapegoat though. I don't know why it still irks me that people try to call L4M a pop album, but it does. I could more easily accept it if people were saying it was a mediocre r&b album; I'd disagree but at least they would recognize that the pop music wasn't by any means the majority of it. I'm not going to say that hit pop songs absolutely sell albums (DJ didn't sell Versus, for example) but at least DJ did sell itself. "Scream" and "Numb" didn't even do that much. (I say this as someone who likes both "Scream" and "Numb.") I agree with Josh that there is still interest in pop Usher as long as the pop song is immediately infectious, and not just passably decent. He's set a high bar for himself with previous dance-pop songs and "Scream" and "Numb" just didn't meet that bar for a lot of people, nor was he coming off a huge career high or a six+ year break with people still anticipating his next move enough to give him a pass for an "aiight" song. Justin's situation isn't comparable at all to where Usher is in his career; if Usher were to take notes from JT the results would not be the same. 3 pop songs? I'm assuming your saying Scream, Numb and Euphoria are the only ones. Look - I'm not going to waste time making a point about the (lack) of success for Looking 4 Myself. Fact is, JT is the exception to the rule on album sales in his "genre". My point is this - Justin has a cohesive sound on his album, and in my opinion has released a solid overall album. I don't agree with the direction Usher has went with the dual release singles. "Scream" and "Climax" - "Lemme See" and "Numb" are all so different from each other it's hard for any "new" fans to understand what direction to gain from him on an album. It's hard for any "old" fans to understand what they are getting from him also. Honestly, I think in a perfect world, he would make a hardcore R&B album with a couple of crossovers. Usher is a perfect crossover artist but his pop only singles are so generic that it's so hard for people to buy in on him. Didn't they send "Scream" out because "Climax" was having a tough time at CHR/Top 40? Not that I agree with that because I think "Climax" could have done a little better at CHR had it gotten the chance to saturate the format before being dropped for "Scream" (which I loved as well)
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Post by PLAYBOYoriginal on Jun 12, 2014 22:40:09 GMT -5
Good Kisser might be my song of the summer. I'm so obsessed with it. LOL
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Post by asfoster87 on Jun 18, 2014 21:45:46 GMT -5
Good Kisser is #66 on the Hot 100 this week.
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Post by allow that on Jun 19, 2014 9:49:03 GMT -5
Good Kisser is #66 on the Hot 100 this week. So sad the day when we're stuck rooting and hoping for Usher to reach a benchmark of Top 50 with his lead single... Anyway, I'm ready to move on to the next one. Do we have any emerging info on the rest of the album? I feel like it's time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 11:03:59 GMT -5
^Sometimes I think that about the struggle for GK to hit top 50, but then I remember that Usher is industry-old now. He himself is young and still ostensibly capable of putting out a big hit, so it seems strange to give the 'welp, it's been a good run' speech (and to be clear, I'm not yet doing that, b/c who knows what else this era might have in store). But his career is two decades old now and is freaking legendary by any measure. Ultimately the fact that he can still easily score top 10s on his 'home' format is quite the feat for someone so deep into his career. If he were five years older I don't think this would strike anyone as abnormal. I guess what I am saying is, while I root for larger success on his part, I don't actually find it a bummer at all if this is the official start of the backend of his career commercially speaking...I know there are some who would be chomping at the bit to declare some kind of victory on behalf of their faves if that's the case, but when you actually crunch the numbers, this is a race Usher has already definitively won. So I'm cool.
All that said, I am also ready for the next single and the album as a whole. I'm so disenchanted with how bored I've been with urban lately - GK is about the only new release I've given half a damn about the entire year which is kind of sad, it sounds like literally every album track Usher ever made compacted into one 4-minute song. Not that I don't like it, but I need something else.
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Post by asfoster87 on Jun 19, 2014 14:38:37 GMT -5
Good Kisser is #66 on the Hot 100 this week. So sad the day when we're stuck rooting and hoping for Usher to reach a benchmark of Top 50 with his lead single... Anyway, I'm ready to move on to the next one. Do we have any emerging info on the rest of the album? I feel like it's time. Last I checked, the album was due in August/September. I eventually think this will be a sleeper hit, but I too, am ready to see what the 2nd single will sound like. I do like that his team said they're concentrating on the music this time around and aren't chasing hits. So, hopefully they stick with that and don't put out an EDM sounding track after the slow start this has had.
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Post by allow that on Jun 19, 2014 15:51:31 GMT -5
^Sometimes I think that about the struggle for GK to hit top 50, but then I remember that Usher is industry-old now. He himself is young and still ostensibly capable of putting out a big hit, so it seems strange to give the 'welp, it's been a good run' speech (and to be clear, I'm not yet doing that, b/c who knows what else this era might have in store). See, "industry old" is true in the sense that he's a veteran but it's also kind of dismissive of a career that still has potential to very much stay afloat. Usher never fell out of grace with the public; at least not in a MAJOR way. His brief Urban backlash was hardly an R. Kelly/Chris Brown type of scandal, a Mariah Carey/Britney Spears type of breakdown, or a Janet Jackson boycott situation. He's remained in the public eye and has kept up his momentum as a celebrity. As far as his age, he's roughly the same age as Beyonce and Justin Timberlake and younger than Pharrell, Robin Thicke, and John Legend whom are singers who recently smashed. What I'm getting at? Based on his momentum and his status, there's no reason why at this point in time he shouldn't still get the media coverage and multi-format curiosity spins, if nothing else, simply based on the fact that he's... Usher. I'm happy that he's focusing on Urban radio and quality material over quick disposable hits. I get that there's a barrier in place that prevents even massive Urban hits from going far on the Hot 100, but come on. He's a superstar, never been a full-on flop, and is currently a cast member on one of the country's top television hits. If Trey Songz can get a song like "Na Na" to #22, why should we celebrate Usher going Top 70? He deserves the loyalty that Justin gets from radio and media, so that's an external factor. As far as internally, surely he and his team can work the chart better? One performance on The Voice and a video that debuted the same day as the song, just thrown out there, without strategy or visibility. It just doesn't feel like the launch of an era. I agree that at this point any minor success that Usher achieves merely serves to enhance an already outstanding catalog and legacy. But when you stop and think of the momentum, platform, and commercial appeal that he still has left in him, why let it slip away?
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Post by Sure Thing on Jun 19, 2014 17:53:50 GMT -5
^Sometimes I think that about the struggle for GK to hit top 50, but then I remember that Usher is industry-old now. He himself is young and still ostensibly capable of putting out a big hit, so it seems strange to give the 'welp, it's been a good run' speech (and to be clear, I'm not yet doing that, b/c who knows what else this era might have in store). See, "industry old" is true in the sense that he's a veteran but it's also kind of dismissive of a career that still has potential to very much stay afloat. Usher never fell out of grace with the public; at least not in a MAJOR way. His brief Urban backlash was hardly an R. Kelly/Chris Brown type of scandal, a Mariah Carey/Britney Spears type of breakdown, or a Janet Jackson boycott situation. He's remained in the public eye and has kept up his momentum as a celebrity. As far as his age, he's roughly the same age as Beyonce and Justin Timberlake and younger than Pharrell, Robin Thicke, and John Legend whom are singers who recently smashed. What I'm getting at? Based on his momentum and his status, there's no reason why at this point in time he shouldn't still get the media coverage and multi-format curiosity spins, if nothing else, simply based on the fact that he's... Usher. I'm happy that he's focusing on Urban radio and quality material over quick disposable hits. I get that there's a barrier in place that prevents even massive Urban hits from going far on the Hot 100, but come on. He's a superstar, never been a full-on flop, and is currently a cast member on one of the country's top television hits. If Trey Songz can get a song like "Na Na" to #22, why should we celebrate Usher going Top 70? He deserves the loyalty that Justin gets from radio and media, so that's an external factor. As far as internally, surely he and his team can work the chart better? One performance on The Voice and a video that debuted the same day as the song, just thrown out there, without strategy or visibility. It just doesn't feel like the launch of an era. I agree that at this point any minor success that Usher achieves merely serves to enhance an already outstanding catalog and legacy. But when you stop and think of the momentum, platform, and commercial appeal that he still has left in him, why let it slip away? Perfectly written and stated. Agree completely.
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Post by think pink. on Jun 19, 2014 20:08:19 GMT -5
He's been in the studio with Max Martin. Take from that what you will.
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Post by allow that on Jun 19, 2014 21:37:05 GMT -5
Okay, finally some news: Diplo? Hell yes. Ed Sheeran? My first instinct would be "meh" but his new album has actually impressed me so... this is good too. Skrillex?
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Post by asfoster87 on Jun 19, 2014 21:57:22 GMT -5
Not sure if this was posted, He's also been working with Da Internz: Da Internz are all over the charts, producing hits for everyone from Rihanna (“Birthday Cake”) to Big Sean (“Dance (A$$)”). Now the Chicago hitmaking duo steps out from behind the boards and into the spotlight in their “Write Ya Life” web series.
For the latest installment, Kosine and Tuo take viewers into the studio and inside their recording sessions for Usher, with appearances from Eric Bellinger and Paypa. In addition to showcasing their creative process, they find time to play pranks on one another.
When they’re not in the lab with Usher, Trey Songz, and JoJo, Da Internz have been working on their album Affordable Healthcare.
Watch the hitmakers at work (and play).www.rap-up.com/2014/06/16/da-internz-hit-the-studio-to-work-on-ushers-album/
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Post by allow that on Jun 19, 2014 22:02:46 GMT -5
As I've said before, there are so many cooks in the kitchen. I hope this album has a concept and a natural flow. Don't want a patchy mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 23:20:09 GMT -5
^Sometimes I think that about the struggle for GK to hit top 50, but then I remember that Usher is industry-old now. He himself is young and still ostensibly capable of putting out a big hit, so it seems strange to give the 'welp, it's been a good run' speech (and to be clear, I'm not yet doing that, b/c who knows what else this era might have in store). See, "industry old" is true in the sense that he's a veteran but it's also kind of dismissive of a career that still has potential to very much stay afloat. Usher never fell out of grace with the public; at least not in a MAJOR way. His brief Urban backlash was hardly an R. Kelly/Chris Brown type of scandal, a Mariah Carey/Britney Spears type of breakdown, or a Janet Jackson boycott situation. He's remained in the public eye and has kept up his momentum as a celebrity. As far as his age, he's roughly the same age as Beyonce and Justin Timberlake and younger than Pharrell, Robin Thicke, and John Legend whom are singers who recently smashed. What I'm getting at? Based on his momentum and his status, there's no reason why at this point in time he shouldn't still get the media coverage and multi-format curiosity spins, if nothing else, simply based on the fact that he's... Usher. I'm happy that he's focusing on Urban radio and quality material over quick disposable hits. I get that there's a barrier in place that prevents even massive Urban hits from going far on the Hot 100, but come on. He's a superstar, never been a full-on flop, and is currently a cast member on one of the country's top television hits. If Trey Songz can get a song like "Na Na" to #22, why should we celebrate Usher going Top 70? He deserves the loyalty that Justin gets from radio and media, so that's an external factor. As far as internally, surely he and his team can work the chart better? One performance on The Voice and a video that debuted the same day as the song, just thrown out there, without strategy or visibility. It just doesn't feel like the launch of an era. I agree that at this point any minor success that Usher achieves merely serves to enhance an already outstanding catalog and legacy. But when you stop and think of the momentum, platform, and commercial appeal that he still has left in him, why let it slip away?Oh, I don't disagree with this. Mind you, the way you feel now is how I felt when L4M flopped. I still think that was a solid album, and was really frustrated with how that era went. It's just that...how do I say this. If you look at the top of this page, where he is saying he only gives one s**t, but not two, it even feels like he has mentally eschewed actively chasing another hit for just doing what he wants (and this might in turn explain why he has so many cooks in the kitchen for this album, b/c he's experimenting). Obviously there's no way for us to know if this is true unless he openly admits it, but if that is the case, I don't find it a bad thing. Very few people reach the point in their careers where it honestly does nothing to their legacy if they start taking L's. Like, Mariah is there now. People will try to needle us lambs about how MIAM is performing right now and I really do wish she would get herself together instead of allowing her era to be so messy...but you know what, I ultimately don't care as long as I still enjoy the music, b/c she could do nothing else commercially relevant for the rest of her life and still be untouchable. That's kind of how I feel about Usher - maybe not quite to the the level I say that about Mariah, but it's hard for me to be bummed or frustrated anymore because I feel he's reached the point where he can start taking L's and shrug off any shade over it. Ironically that is probably what he will have to do to get people to really take stock of the sum of his career. For all the comparisons between him and JT, or him and Bey, he isn't at all regarded on their level (even though his discography is ahead of theirs just by sheer volume) - he is still very much viewed as a contemporary with the 'newer' stars so people measure his hits or flops on that same level like it's equal. Like, you even made a Trey comparison. When L4M flopped people were making comparisons to Trey and Chris' equally lackluster sales that year. We shouldn't have been doing that then and definitely shouldn't now. What is the point of measuring him against his actual peers if we're going to turn around and bemoan that he's not keeping up with someone with such a younger and lesser career than him? That's the real crux of the issue here. People are cognizant of him being around JT and Beyonce's age but because he doesn't make a point to shove his tenure in our faces, we simultaneously forget that and keep acting as if he is any old contemporary artist still living or dying by the strength of his most recent single. The only truly relevant point where Usher falls behind JT/Bey is that JT and Bey have made painstaking efforts to build the appearance of a legacy brand from the beginning of their solo careers, and Usher for some reason has not taken the time to do that [yet]. In particular, when it comes to an Usher vs. JT conversation? I feel like it's just a pissing match over 'cred' at this point. Let JT have the 'cred.' Usher has the resume. And that is not to discredit JT's successes, I just think we kind of do Usher a disservice by even comparing him to JT (and Beyonce too) on equal footing, b/c those two spend a sizable part of their careers in groups before going solo. That's like the musical equivalent of a booster seat to solo stardom. They basically get to play it both ways because they can claim all those years of experience when it's convenient but then get to seem 'younger' when needed by only counting their solo albums. Beyonce named her previous solo album 4, not 8. Justin can barely be arsed to even acknowledge his *NSync days so if he doesn't want it I see no reason to give him credit for it. This is not even to mention how Usher has basically been a steady workhorse for that 20 year span. Keeping the attention span of the public for that long is insanely difficult, which is why I don't think it's dismissive when we're happy that Usher is still able to do so on any format. Justin took 10 years to release three albums. It's just a very different situation when you give yourself a six-seven year break from trying to live up to expectations.
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Post by allow that on Jun 20, 2014 11:09:33 GMT -5
Oh, I don't disagree with this. Mind you, the way you feel now is how I felt when L4M flopped. I still think that was a solid album, and was really frustrated with how that era went. It's just that...how do I say this. If you look at the top of this page, where he is saying he only gives one s**t, but not two, it even feels like he has mentally eschewed actively chasing another hit for just doing what he wants. Probably my favorite major label album of 2012 so I feel you on the frustrations there. The thing is, even though it flopped from an album sales perspective, I'd still consider the era successful enough to carry over some built in interest for his next project. "Climax" was MASSIVE. "Lemme See" and "Scream" were pretty big hits too. I can't say that all was lost (it was hardly a Glitter or a Lotus), but there was potential beyond those three hits that were lost to poor single choices and the general quietness after front-ended promo. As for only giving one s**t now, good for him, but is that just a cop out? Is he just trying to save face? It's just funny to me because Usher always had a rep for being arrogant back in the day... lately he comes across as one of the most humble celebs around. He's certainly way too modest about his own status. As for the Mariah comparison, L4M reminds me of the E=MC2 era. Like Usher '12, Mariah '08 had nothing left to prove. But she made a kick ass album and still had all eyes on her following the EOM album. True, she didn't need more hits. But she had them ready-made just idling on her album and she still had a strong platform to stand on. It would have been an easy opportunity; which is what's frustrating. It's one thing to say there's nothing left to prove, which is true, but just seems a little defeatist if it's an available option still. See, I think no one would flinch at placing Usher on Justin and Beyonce's level... he just isn't treated as such (it annoys me because realistically, Usher has been more influential than Justin, but whatever #revisionisthistory). But yes, he's viewed as a contemporary of "newer" stars as well, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. How many veterans make cringey collaborations with newer acts in a jaded attempt to appear "relevant"? Usher doesn't need to; he walks the line between respected vet and contemporary hitmaker that so few can. If leveraged properly, that's a golden place to be... but his marketing team/PR team/management seems to struggle on building his brand around that potential. Oh, and I certainly didn't intend to compare Usher's career to Trey's. My point there is that it should be easy for an Usher lead single to chart that high. "Good Kisser" already outpeaked Trey's song at Urban radio and is knocking on Top 10 at Rhythmic, so the only reason it's so low on the Hot 100 is a flaw in strategy. Make a remix with a beat switch so station's can up rotation. Create a video for the remix to spike streaming. Engage fans on social media. Promote the single on The Voice as much as f**king Maroon 5 does. Put a banner on iTunes. It should not be this difficult to assist the song to a higher Hot 100 peak. Yea, I guess I'll echo what I said further up: he's too damn modest about flaunting his accomplishments. Hell, I f**king LOVED his boasting on the "U.O.E.N.O." remix last year; felt good to have cocky Usher back even for a moment. So much of it is a mind game really, right? Usher introduced more trends and new sounds to radio and pop culture over the years than Justin did. But Justin isn't afraid to stand up and steal credit, while Usher seems to just go with the flow. One thing that impresses me about Usher is that he's kept attention without any curve. Justin seems to always be given nine lives. The second 20/20 album originally flopped harder than L4M, for instance, but radio just wouldn't LET that happen. Could you see radio rallying around an old ass Usher track and sending it to #1 in airplay after multiple flops? I personally respect Usher's position a lot more, not only because I'm a fan, but because he worked for everything he's accomplished. Now just stand up and CLAIM it.
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Post by allow that on Jun 26, 2014 19:22:23 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm ready to move on to the next one. I should be careful what I wish for! The second single "I Don't Mind" has arrived and was posted in the Urban section. And yea it kinda sucks.
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Post by PLAYBOYoriginal on Jun 27, 2014 0:05:16 GMT -5
"I Don't Mind" has to be the worst follow up single Usher has released since his debut. I would call it studio scraps but even that sounds like a compliment. SMH
*plays Good Kisser for the umphteen time* Sang Ursh!!
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Post by allow that on Jun 27, 2014 0:11:02 GMT -5
"I Don't Mind" has to be the worst follow up single Usher has released since his debut. I would call it studio scraps but even that sounds like a compliment. SMH It's basically ringtone R&B. Usher was above making that when it was actually in so why make it now? Thankfully that En Vogue-sampling remix finally made its way online because prior to a week ago I didn't even have interest in listening to that. And now Skrillex is the shining hope of this album? :Cries:
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Post by josh on Jun 27, 2014 0:13:16 GMT -5
I like it better than "Good Kisser," but that's not saying much.
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Post by emerald on Jun 27, 2014 0:17:26 GMT -5
It would be the absolute bomb, If any of Usher's future singles would be a "Latch"-sounding track, where it would technically be both an R&B and EDM track, but the electronica element would be faint enough for it to be an Urban hit, and instant enough to be a pop hit, and overall, just a fresh track that pleases both audiences. ...If only.
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Post by allow that on Jun 27, 2014 0:25:38 GMT -5
It would be the absolute bomb, If any of Usher's future singles would be a "Latch"-sounding track, where it would technically be both an R&B and EDM track, but the electronica element would be faint enough for it to be Urban hit, and instant enough to be a pop hit, and overall, just a fresh track that pleases both audiences. ...If only. This is older than dirt now but I still love the song personally and think Usher could build on this sound/sell this type of song nicely. I mean, in a way he did that with "Climax" and look how it paid off.
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Post by PLAYBOYoriginal on Jun 27, 2014 2:07:29 GMT -5
"I Don't Mind" has to be the worst follow up single Usher has released since his debut. I would call it studio scraps but even that sounds like a compliment. SMH It's basically ringtone R&B. Usher was above making that when it was actually in so why make it now? Thankfully that En Vogue-sampling remix finally made its way online because prior to a week ago I didn't even have interest in listening to that. And now Skrillex is the shining hope of this album? :Cries: What En Vogue sampling remix? :o :O OMG
Yeah I don't have any interest in this album so far and that is an absolute FIRST when it comes to Ursh. He needs a new angle or a producer to give him really strong records.
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Post by allow that on Jun 27, 2014 8:48:58 GMT -5
What En Vogue sampling remix? :o :O OMG https%3A//soundcloud.com/djsussone/good-kisser-the-feature-presentation-remix-clean-editHot but unfortunately not official.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 10:55:41 GMT -5
I think I need him to give that other shit he couldn't muster up
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Post by think pink. on Jun 27, 2014 15:08:47 GMT -5
I was listening to "Raymond Vs Raymond" last night, it's actually a great album. That was a great era. He had #1 hits on both formats, album sold well and he cleaned up at the Ama's. He was really respected during that era and was being hailed as a legend. It's crazy how it seems like the total opposite now :/ .
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Post by asfoster87 on Jun 27, 2014 15:56:37 GMT -5
I was listening to "Raymond Vs Raymond" last night, it's actually a great album. That was a great era. He had #1 hits on both formats, album sold well and he cleaned up at the Ama's. He was really respected during that era and was being hailed as a legend. It's crazy how it seems like the total opposite now :/ . I was thinking about this era today and how much he slayed that year. Couldn't turn on urban radio w/o him playing,not to mention the success of his tour. And yes, that album was really good. Don't get how some said it was "too pop". And to think, I complained then b/c he didn't release the singles I wanted :'(
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Post by marcjm on Jun 27, 2014 16:37:20 GMT -5
At this point, it seems that he needs to get out another single to really rev up interest in his next project. I know there have been comparisons of Usher to Justin Timberlake & Beyonce. Unlike the 2, Usher has had the biggest album era of most artists with Confessions. It was a multi-format smash with multiple successful singles with over 10 million CDs sold. Along these lines, Usher's career can be compared to some other artists who have hit the Diamond mark in the past 10-20 years.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jun 27, 2014 17:38:37 GMT -5
He just needs to stop messing with so many different sounds and keep the producers he usually has the most success with (Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Jim Jonsin, Pharrell, and JD every once and a while)...
However the backlash from his latest song is a little too harsh. And Good Kisser is actually pretty good and it's a shame it hasn't done what a typical Usher song does (fly up the charts).
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