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Post by think pink. on Apr 18, 2013 17:38:50 GMT -5
If "Crazy Kids" flops can we add "C'mon" to the list?
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Post by irice22 on Apr 18, 2013 17:45:12 GMT -5
Yeah, probably.
Which is why "When You're Gone" crippled Avril.
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Post by Cory | Alan on Apr 18, 2013 21:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 18, 2013 21:11:51 GMT -5
Which is why "When You're Gone" crippled Avril. "When You're Gone" was a hit, though. "Hot" was the flop. "The Best Damn Thing" just drove the stake into the ground.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Apr 18, 2013 23:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 18, 2013 23:23:04 GMT -5
Martina McBride: "Marry Me" Martina was already struggling, but considering she'd just come off one of the biggest hits of her career with "I'm Gonna Love You Through It," I would say the follow-up choice killed her momentum for that album, because she hasn't been able to get a hit since it flopped. "I'm Gonna Love You Through It" was her first Top 10 hit on country radio in 5 years, but it is a very far cry from being one of the biggest hits of her career. And it's silly to say she hasn't had a hit since "Marry Me" when it is still her most recent single.
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Post by think pink. on Apr 18, 2013 23:32:58 GMT -5
What about Jewel's "Intuition"? I don't know much about her career but I remember fans not taking to her new sound and she dropped off the face of the earth basically after that. At least in the mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 1:33:12 GMT -5
Nicki Stupid Hoe. Starships was big, but it completely ruined her image and credibility.
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 19, 2013 2:07:11 GMT -5
Janet Jackson - Just A Little While Nicole Scherzinger - Whatever U Like Leona Lewis - Happy (In the US anyway) No Doubt - Settle Down I would think as far as leona is concerned she does,put out good songs,she needs to change it up,something more upbeat instead of ballards. No doubt tried to make a great album and they did but the problem is they picked the wrong lead single and most of the songs on push and shove arent radio friendly.
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Post by think pink. on Apr 19, 2013 3:05:25 GMT -5
Nicki Stupid Hoe. Starships was big, but it completely ruined her image and credibility. I would say "Starships" hurt her more as far as her urban fanbase goes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 4:35:23 GMT -5
If one single is going to cripple your career then the foundation was cracking for a long time. As for Janet one single did not put a dent in her career at all, lets remember the woman started recording in the 1980's and that single came out in 2004, she was already slowing down AFTER enjoying a long and legendary career, father time in a fickle industry slowed her down like any other diva who actually had decades of success.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 7:05:25 GMT -5
Nicki Stupid Hoe. Starships was big, but it completely ruined her image and credibility. I would say "Starships" hurt her more as far as her urban fanbase goes. I know, but at least Starships was a huge worldwide hit so it wouldn't feel right saying it ruined her career.
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Post by Arabella21 on Apr 19, 2013 7:07:31 GMT -5
Kris Allen - The Truth. He essentially had one shot with radio after the success of Live Like We're Dying but it was obvious they were not going to be interested in something like The Truth. When the rumors began that it was being considered as single #2 fans dismissed them as a joke becasue surely even TPTB were not that stupid...except they were. Let's not even get into how they thought (sloppily) slapping in the guy from Train onto the bridge was going to make radio care, like because, Hey, Soul Sister was a hit, that radio would be willing to spin anything Pat Monahan was a part of! Wouldn't they just play, you know, the next Train song where he sings the whole time instead? And that LLWD had legged its way to #10 on three formats including Pop without needing any guest vocalists. Radio wasn't allergic to Idol males in 2010 and a different single from him along the lines of LLWD's success would have boosted album sales (not that I necessarily think it should have been Alright With Me but that's another topic) and puts the third single on much firmer ground. But when The Truth was announced, it was a nail in the coffin for that era, and since it didn't have that much momentum to start with, you knew it was going to make things that much harder to downright impossible for the next album to go anywhere.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 19, 2013 11:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by irice22 on Apr 19, 2013 11:49:19 GMT -5
Which is why "When You're Gone" crippled Avril. "When You're Gone" was a hit, though. "Hot" was the flop. "The Best Damn Thing" just drove the stake into the ground. Nahh, it's all about the single that killed the momentum. "Runaway" or "I Can Do Better" would have gone Top 3. A #9 hit, following a #1, from an established artist is not so good. Radio was not interested in ANY song Avril had after "When You're Gone." It wasn't specific to "Hot."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 13:05:18 GMT -5
How it #9 after #1 bad? Artists can't be expected to go #1 with every song... I think people are blinded by Katy Perry, Gaga and Rihanna's current streaks.
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Post by irice22 on Apr 19, 2013 13:11:29 GMT -5
I'm not saying the song was not a hit. I'm saying the song killed all momentum.
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Post by rayjay96 on Apr 21, 2013 9:21:21 GMT -5
I don't think it was really 'career-crippling', just got a bad name. The Edge of Glory still reached #3, while You and I reached #6. Marry the Night was less successful, but reached #29.Nicki Stupid Hoe. Starships was big, but it completely ruined her image and credibility. I would say "Starships" hurt her more as far as her urban fanbase goes. I kinda think that her next single, "High School", will repair her urban fanbase. It's got her actually rapping, versus her previous stuff, and it was critically acclaimed for her and Lil' Wayne returning to their roots in the song. If "Crazy Kids" flops can we add "C'mon" to the list? I don't think it would be "C'mon", more like "Die Young". Bad timing and unfortunate lyrics is what I think is the end of her career.
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Post by Lockheart on Apr 21, 2013 10:56:31 GMT -5
If one single is going to cripple your career then the foundation was cracking for a long time. As for Janet one single did not put a dent in her career at all, lets remember the woman started recording in the 1980's and that single came out in 2004, she was already slowing down AFTER enjoying a long and legendary career, father time in a fickle industry slowed her down like any other diva who actually had decades of success. True, the single did not cripple her career, but it was the point of her commercial decline.
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Post by someguy on Apr 21, 2013 12:32:55 GMT -5
Martina McBride: "Marry Me" Martina was already struggling, but considering she'd just come off one of the biggest hits of her career with "I'm Gonna Love You Through It," I would say the follow-up choice killed her momentum for that album, because she hasn't been able to get a hit since it flopped. "I'm Gonna Love You Through It" was her first Top 10 hit on country radio in 5 years, but it is a very far cry from being one of the biggest hits of her career. And it's silly to say she hasn't had a hit since "Marry Me" when it is still her most recent single. Yeah, I was going to say, sure "Marry Me" didn't do well, but in Martina's defense she hasn't released a single since. I think in some way I'd add Madonna's "American Life" to the list. Yes, she was past her peak anyway, but I think that "American Life" helped speed up her decline at radio. Had something else been the lead single, it would have performed better. Since then, she's only really had one big hit at radio, and even that needed a Justin Timberlake feature.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 14:55:05 GMT -5
If "Crazy Kids" flops can we add "C'mon" to the list? I don't think it would be "C'mon", more like "Die Young". Bad timing and unfortunate lyrics is what I think is the end of her career. No, Die Young is not a career-crippling single... If you want to say her career was crippled because she only released party songs, then you could say Tik Tok was the career crippling single since it got her started on the party track. But that's just silly since it was a smash, along with every single up until C'Mon, which was a decent pop hit at least. Oh I just realized you meant the shooting. I don't think that hurt her career, just the song's chart run. No one blamed her.
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Post by think pink. on Apr 22, 2013 0:40:24 GMT -5
Hilary Duff's "With Love"? Parents didn't feel comfortable buying their kids Hilary Duff albums anymore with her new sexier image.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 0:44:59 GMT -5
Hilary Duff's "With Love"? Parents didn't feel comfortable buying their kids Hilary Duff albums anymore with her new sexier image. If we're going to blame anyone for that album not being the major success it deserved, I would blame Hollywood Records. Plus that song is not sexual at all. (The video, maybe, but her image is a whole different topic.) Plenty of former tween artists have transitioned into sex symbols with major success.
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Nicki Stupid Hoe. Starships was big, but it completely ruined her image and credibility. I would say "Starships" hurt her more as far as her urban fanbase goes. While "Starships" was massive on Pop, it definitely alienated her Rhythmic/Urban fanbase and they weren't really accepting anything she released afterwards. All the subsequent singles were very Dance-oriented so that didn't help things. On one hand her CHR/Pop audience won't really go for her "Roman In Moscow"/"Stupid Hoe" types of songs and her Rhythmic/Urban won't go for the Dance/Pop or really anything she sends there so she's in a real bad place now. I think in some way I'd add Madonna's "American Life" to the list. Yes, she was past her peak anyway, but I think that "American Life" helped speed up her decline at radio. Had something else been the lead single, it would have performed better. Since then, she's only really had one big hit at radio, and even that needed a Justin Timberlake feature. The hot mess aspect of "American Life" and the sentiments of the American people and radio at the time made for the perfect storm of her being labeled as anti-American and there was poor reception for that single and the album in general. And she was getting older too so that made it worse. The limited promotion of future singles from that album didn't help either. From the next album, "Hung Up" did fairly well. It was pretty good considering she was seen as done in the U.S. at that time. It had strong sales in the U.S. and is one of her biggest internationally as they were more open to aging artists (and it was a pretty good song). [/span] Hilary Duff's "With Love"? Parents didn't feel comfortable buying their kids Hilary Duff albums anymore with her new sexier image. If we're going to blame anyone for that album not being the major success it deserved, I would blame Hollywood Records. Plus that song is not sexual at all. (The video, maybe, but her image is a whole different topic.) Plenty of former tween artists have transitioned into sex symbols with major success. [/quote] Agreed on both points. "With Love" is only a slightly suggestive but not nearly as sexual as "Play With Fire" was. Compared to the really sexy songs other artists have released before and after, Hilary's are not quite that. But Hollywood Records really messed up everything with that album and with most of their artists at the time. It was such a shame considering that the Dignity album was one of her best ones and it could have been huge had they handled it better.
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Post by rayjay96 on May 4, 2013 9:53:28 GMT -5
I don't think it would be "C'mon", more like "Die Young". Bad timing and unfortunate lyrics is what I think is the end of her career. No, Die Young is not a career-crippling single... If you want to say her career was crippled because she only released party songs, then you could say Tik Tok was the career crippling single since it got her started on the party track. But that's just silly since it was a smash, along with every single up until C'Mon, which was a decent pop hit at least. Oh I just realized you meant the shooting. I don't think that hurt her career, just the song's chart run. No one blamed her. Now that I think about it, yeah, it wasn't really that bad... It's not like people were ranting on her about it. I just hope that Crazy Kids is a hit
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 4, 2013 12:09:11 GMT -5
JALW didn't cripple Janet's career. The song didn't come out until after the Superbowl incident. i disgaree i dont think JALW would have been a hit superbowl or not. the superbowl obviously made it worse though The song was top 20 at pop. The superbowl and the response killed the song though. Career no. I think Virgin should've just left JALW sit out there in the open and wait a year to release a new album like JT did.
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Post by Au$tin on May 4, 2013 14:25:46 GMT -5
I'm not saying the song was not a hit. I'm saying the song killed all momentum. It didn't, though. "Hot" started off fine, but brick walled quickly.
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Post by irice22 on May 5, 2013 13:21:12 GMT -5
"Hot" got like three adds on its add date.
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Post by cking33 on May 7, 2013 14:06:55 GMT -5
"Beautiful Monster" by Neyo. He had a hit single or two since then, but that really slowed his career and he's had two underwhelming-selling albums as a result after starting his performing career strong.
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Post by Gold Soundz on May 21, 2013 2:22:35 GMT -5
This would be a lot easier if it were album-crippling singles.
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