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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 23:53:17 GMT -5
So, an idea passed through my head earlier today. Are there any songs on an album that, if they were released as a single, would severely damage that artist's career? Whether it be for a message the song sends, how the song sounds, etc., is there anything that would cause that much damage to an artist's career that they may never have been able to recover? Have there been any in the past?
Note: Please do not list songs that were just very unsuccessful/you don't like. They had to have caused severe damage to the artist's name or career. Something like "Sober" or "Never Again" doesn't count because the artist's career wasn't crippled by it.
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Post by josh on Apr 17, 2013 23:55:10 GMT -5
Big Hoops
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 18, 2013 0:12:01 GMT -5
I Am Woman
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 18, 2013 0:16:55 GMT -5
That one Paula Abdul single that killed her career and hotstreak.
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Post by Lozzy on Apr 18, 2013 1:59:17 GMT -5
"Bloody Mary"
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Beyonce - Run The World (Girls) Christina Aguilera - Not Myself Tonight Dixie Chicks - Not Ready To Make Nice Jessica Simpson - A Public Affair Lady Gaga - Judas
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Post by irice22 on Apr 18, 2013 2:31:39 GMT -5
"I'm Glad"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 3:01:54 GMT -5
That was not the best choice for a single ("Loving You" was, although not much from that album aside from the two big hits were that hit-worthy. I probably would have still released "I'm Glad" fourth) but I think "Baby I Love U!" and "Hold You Down" were much more damaging choices for her music career. Niether of those songs should have been released as a single in any format, ever.
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Post by think pink. on Apr 18, 2013 3:18:27 GMT -5
Janet Jackson - Just A Little While Nicole Scherzinger - Whatever U Like Leona Lewis - Happy (In the US anyway) No Doubt - Settle Down
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Post by irice22 on Apr 18, 2013 9:56:24 GMT -5
That was not the best choice for a single ("Loving You" was, although not much from that album aside from the two big hits were that hit-worthy. I probably would have still released "I'm Glad" fourth) but I think "Baby I Love U!" and "Hold You Down" were much more damaging choices for her music career. Niether of those songs should have been released as a single in any format, ever. I still feel like "I'm Glad" stopped her career dead in its tracks.
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Post by irice22 on Apr 18, 2013 9:56:56 GMT -5
Janet Jackson - Just A Little While So sad, I actually really like this song.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 10:11:01 GMT -5
Some of these artists were struggling already, or in No Doubt's case, the decade plus between albums probably hurt them. I don't think it's the one single that did them in.
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 18, 2013 10:19:13 GMT -5
Paula Abdul VIBEOLOGY, even though i love the song and i think it stands up among one of her best, i think it really did damage her career. esp after she performed it on the VMAs. she should have done Promise of a New Day on the 1991 VMAs or the songs called U. perhaps if U had been a single instead of Vibeology, her career would have survived. but as a long time Paula stan, i can admit, that Vibeology really did cripple her career
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Post by Lozzy on Apr 18, 2013 10:24:04 GMT -5
Paula Abdul VIBEOLOGY, even though i love the song and i think it stands up among one of her best, i think it really did damage her career. esp after she performed it on the VMAs. she should have done Promise of a New Day on the 1991 VMAs or the songs called U. perhaps if U had been a single instead of Vibeology, her career would have survived. but as a long time Paula stan, i can admit, that Vibeology really did cripple her career Considering that the follow up to "Vibeology" peaked four spots higher on CHR and just three spots lower on the Hot 100, I don't see it.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 18, 2013 10:34:40 GMT -5
I don't get most of the titles listed. Not Ready To Make Nice? Crippling to them?
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 18, 2013 10:38:14 GMT -5
Paula Abdul VIBEOLOGY, even though i love the song and i think it stands up among one of her best, i think it really did damage her career. esp after she performed it on the VMAs. she should have done Promise of a New Day on the 1991 VMAs or the songs called U. perhaps if U had been a single instead of Vibeology, her career would have survived. but as a long time Paula stan, i can admit, that Vibeology really did cripple her career Considering that the follow up to "Vibeology" peaked four spots higher on CHR and just three spots lower on the Hot 100, I don't see it. i see your point but Will You Marry Me? was far from a big hit. Vibeology really was the end of her hot streak.
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 18, 2013 10:39:28 GMT -5
I don't get most of the titles listed. Not Ready To Make Nice? Crippling to them? i agree that song didnt cripple them. Natalie Maines comment at the time crippled them, not any paticular song
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Post by allow that on Apr 18, 2013 11:07:03 GMT -5
Some of these artists were struggling already, or in No Doubt's case, the decade plus between albums probably hurt them. I don't think it's the one single that did them in. I agree with this completely but I also think they blew their one shot at a comeback with a single that never would have worked in 2012. In that sense, it crippled them because they could put out their most radio-friendly single ever next and it won't matter; radio is no longer curious enough to give it a try.
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Post by Rurry on Apr 18, 2013 12:40:49 GMT -5
I don't really believe that one song can single-handedly cause an entire career to collapse. There's plenty of other reasons at play other than a weak single.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 18, 2013 12:45:23 GMT -5
I don't really believe that one song can single-handedly cause an entire career to collapse. There's plenty of other reasons at play other than a weak single. I think it's possible one song can but moreso in the way of it being controversial or causing controversy or something like that. Take that Rick Ross song with the rape lyric. That could be an example. I don't think any of the examples on this page really would.
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Post by allow that on Apr 18, 2013 12:53:57 GMT -5
I don't really believe that one song can single-handedly cause an entire career to collapse. There's plenty of other reasons at play other than a weak single. I agree. We see artists come back from poor single choices all the time and there's a wide range of factors that can contribute to an artist's decline. However, the other side of the coin is that a poor single choice really can speed up that process, kill the momentum an artist has working for them, and make the next single(s) selection more critical. It may not make or break them, but it can 'cripple' them so to speak.
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 18, 2013 13:10:51 GMT -5
JALW didn't cripple Janet's career. The song didn't come out until after the Superbowl incident.
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Post by Rurry on Apr 18, 2013 13:12:14 GMT -5
True, but I still think there's almost always other factors at play. I mean, Christina isn't still struggling because Not Myself Tonight wasn't a good song, she's struggling because she's mostly failing at keeping up with recent musical trends.
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Post by Mic Technique on Apr 18, 2013 13:30:30 GMT -5
This lil' numbers game we play and critical sneers will always make the situation of enjoying music fussy but, as Rurry points out in a characteristically rational approach to concepts/inventions we love to beat over the head, it takes more .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 13:58:30 GMT -5
Typically it takes either a series of bad single/career choices or one bad single + a really long absence to cripple a person's career, not just one bad single on its own. Like, would anyone really say "Happy" was a crippling song? On its own, the song was at worst kind of boring and forgettable, but certainly not something that Leona couldn't have bounced back from. It was the series of mistakes Leona's team made (which so happened to start with "Happy" as a lead single) that have led to her not doing well afterward in the US, not "Happy" itself.
I wouldn't call having a platinum album with four certifiable hits on its genre's format, scoring the Superbowl halftime show, getting a $50 million Pepsi endorsement, and being able to sell out a tour with absolutely NO new music a crippled career. At worst Beyonce is just long in the tooth as far as pop artists are concerned and so it will be more difficult (maybe to the point of unlikely but it's too soon to tell) for her to work her way back to being a CHR darling, but she is hardly suffering. NRTMN won the Dixie Chicks three Grammys, with its parent album winning another two -they swept AOTY/SOTY/ROTY. As someone pointed out above, it was Natalie Maine's comments three years prior that had 'crippled' DC on country, not the music; ironically, on paper the song is actually their biggest hit on the Hot 100. And Gaga recovered from Judas well enough with "You & I." So no, those three songs would definitely not fit the bill.
I'm 99% positive Jessica's star was already on the descent when she released APA. Her music peak coincided with the run of Newlyweds and unsurprisingly waned when the show was over and she and Nick announced they were separating. Christina is definitely a 'series of unfortunate events' situation. But if we were to attribute it to NMT it was more like a career-crippling video, with her being dragged for the similarities to Madonna and Gaga.
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 18, 2013 13:59:53 GMT -5
JALW didn't cripple Janet's career. The song didn't come out until after the Superbowl incident. i disgaree i dont think JALW would have been a hit superbowl or not. the superbowl obviously made it worse though
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Post by think pink. on Apr 18, 2013 14:00:46 GMT -5
Some of these artists were struggling already, or in No Doubt's case, the decade plus between albums probably hurt them. I don't think it's the one single that did them in. I agree with this completely but I also think they blew their one shot at a comeback with a single that never would have worked in 2012. In that sense, it crippled them because they could put out their most radio-friendly single ever next and it won't matter; radio is no longer curious enough to give it a try. Yes, this exactly.
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Post by bryce on Apr 18, 2013 14:51:28 GMT -5
JALW didn't cripple Janet's career. The song didn't come out until after the Superbowl incident. i disgaree i dont think JALW would have been a hit superbowl or not. the superbowl obviously made it worse though If it wasn't the song, it was the video. Just sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 14:54:01 GMT -5
Rascal Flatts "Bob That Head" is the first song to come to mind for me. Just a terrible, terrible single choice, and I don't think they've ever lived that down. Since then, their chart runs have not been as consistent, either. Leona Lewis: "Happy" Jordin Sparks: "I Am Woman" Martina McBride: "Marry Me" Martina was already struggling, but considering she'd just come off one of the biggest hits of her career with "I'm Gonna Love You Through It," I would say the follow-up choice killed her momentum for that album, because she hasn't been able to get a hit since it flopped. I would also say the same for Sara Evans "A Little Bit Stronger." The first monster hit she had in years, but "My Heart Can't Tell You Know" went nowhere and basically pushed her into the background again. Lonestar: "Mountains" at the Dixie Chicks and Beyonce being on this list. Christina: "Not Myself Tonight"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 17:37:01 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure her career is 'crippled' as we'll have to see what RCA does with her, but if we're going to put Jordin on this list I would actually say "SOS" is the single that did it, not "I Am Woman." Once "SOS" flopped Jive closed the entire album era...it was another two years before Jordin released IAW, which she played off as something to tide the fans over while waiting on her new album. And I kind of believe her, I have a feeling that they just didn't have anything close to ready for her next album but they'd already booked her an Idol appearance so they just went with IAW to keep it from going to waste. Still smh at none of the songwriters for that song being women Another two years has passed and we still haven't gotten anything from her other than a moderate UAC hit from the Sparkle soundtrack.
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