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Post by 14887fan on Feb 26, 2014 1:50:47 GMT -5
Did she get any promo for this outside of Idol? That's such a shame, Idol winners used to be such an event. Not much, honestly. It's a shame because she's the first winner (sans Lee DeWyze) that has gotten such shitty promo, and it's likely due to the fact that the entire season was sloppy as could be. A lot of people forget that just one year before her was Phillip Phillip's season, whom which was a part of a decent season that saw enough success, fan approval, and promo post-show (clearly, lol). Candice Glover really just received the shit end of the stick all around. It's a shame since she's an astounding talent, but hopefully some magical rebound can occur for her.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 26, 2014 7:09:28 GMT -5
For some reason, I don't think this situation can't turn around but yes, it would take nothing short of a miracle. All she really needs is good buzz, I think. Problem is: she has NONE and has had virtually NONE since she was crowned winner. I haven't heard it in full but I'm willing to bet the album is better than Phillip's. I bought it when it was released, and haven't listened to it since, really.
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Post by trei1658 on Feb 26, 2014 18:37:42 GMT -5
Yahoo Music: A New Low for "American Idol" "Candice Glover’s "Music Speaks" sold just 19K copies in its first week. That's the lowest first-week sales tally for the debut album by an "American Idol" winner in the show's 12-year history. The old record was set in 2010 when Lee DeWyze's "Live It Up" sold 39K copies in its first week. "Music Speaks" enters The Billboard 200 at No. 14. That's a bit higher than "Live It Up," which debuted and peaked at No. 19." "Here are the first-week sales tallies of the first post-coronation albums by each of the "Idol" winners. They're shown from the biggest first week on down: Ruben Studdard's "Soulful" (417K), Carrie Underwood's "Some Hearts" (315K), Taylor Hicks' "Taylor Hicks" (298K), Kelly Clarkson's "Thankful" (297K), David Cook's "David Cook" (280K), Fantasia's "Free Yourself" (240K), Scotty McCreery's "Clear As Day" (197K), Phillip Phillips' "World From The Side Of The Moon" (169K), Jordin Sparks' "Jordin Sparks" (119K), Kris Allen's "Kris Allen" (80K), Lee DeWyze's "Live It Up" (39K), Candice Glover's "Music Speaks" (19K)." music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/chart-watch-low-american-idol-180603971.htmlCandice will be performing on the Idol results show 2/27.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Feb 26, 2014 21:06:53 GMT -5
Candice really needs to explore her options. If I were her, I would start getting familiar with more producers and artists to collaborate and keep her name out there.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Feb 27, 2014 19:02:05 GMT -5
The lowest opening sales of any Idol EVER. YIKES!!!! Embarrassing!!!! This project is already over, and no one even knows it started!
And I didn't realize Ruben was leading in this. His fat ass could have been somebody by now!
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Post by 14887fan on Feb 27, 2014 19:15:48 GMT -5
The lowest opening sales of any Idol EVER. YIKES!!!! Embarrassing!!!! This project is already over, and no one even knows it started! And I didn't realize Ruben was leading in this. His fat ass could have been somebody by now! Seriously?
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Feb 27, 2014 19:41:16 GMT -5
A big problem for Candice is her personality. Or lack thereof.
I'm sure shows aren't anxious to book her. It'd be like talking to a wall.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Feb 27, 2014 23:18:38 GMT -5
I agree. I've said that from the start. She has no personality. That's why her music isn't believable. She has like no connection to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 0:56:10 GMT -5
There is such little correlation between success/believability and personality (or really, almost anything to do with the actual singer) though. Plenty of people with personality have flopped and plenty of people with no personality have done well. Not to mention, For the direction they pushed Candice in, there is literally no need for a personality anyway. UAC is not the format where people are looking for someone with that special 'celebrity' factor. Frankly most UAC-geared singers seem like they would bore me to death if I had to hold a conversation with them.
What there is a need for is someone to like her own music though. No connection is not the same thing as no personality, but it does hint at another problem. I like the album well enough, but after listening to it a few times I wonder if Candice likes all of it. She doesn't go in on most of these songs the way she did on Idol, so if there really is a lack of connection there then we're focusing on the wrong weakness - the real issue is that Candice does not yet know how to handle songs she doesn't like, and she got handed an album full of shit she probably didn't like. All the personality in the world would not help her if this is indeed the problem.
I'm not really trying to make excuses for Candice b/c we have no way of knowing how she would have done if all the cards were in her favor..it's just that NONE of the cards were in her favor so I don't see the point in rushing to blame her lack of personality or whatever, as if the label couldn't fix that problem or work around it. If they wanted her to be a star, they would have made her a star. I mean, we're in an industry that gave Rihanna three eras to figure out how to de-emphasize her forehead and show that she had a personality that wasn't the equivalent of a cardboard box. I'm just sayin'. Candice was not an unworkable situation.
There are only two things that are really the singer's "fault" imo - one, having a horrible attitude and being unable to work well with anyone (even so-called divas usually know to keep that under wraps for a while); and two, being lazy/having no drive. These are the only two things that a label or good management cannot fix. The second is kind of dicey b/c a lot of times people may not be lazy per se, but they're just very unsavvy when it comes to business, don't realize how aggressive they need to be, and that hurts them. I don't think Candice is the former, but I think she might be the latter - unsavvy business-wise, and something about her just doesn't seem like she has the drive needed to survive in the music business. This would be ironic considering how she kept trying at Idol, but the industry itself is a whole other beast. I would love for her to prove me wrong, though if she does it almost certainly won't be with this era. She's good as dropped at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 1:08:06 GMT -5
^ITA.
Also, I feel like we are all quick to judge her as being flat or lacking charisma. When has she been given a chance to show off personality? Unless you have a story or an angle, all American Idol contestants struggle with conveying anything other than "excited to be there" while on the show. And off the show, she's only done awkward daytime interviews where it's kind of hard to be anything but polite, gracious and put together. Let's not act like there's been a lot of effort in getting to know Candice Glover and we're coming up empty.
But at the end of the day, antigonerising is totally right. Personality is probably the smallest cog in the superstar machine. The problem with Candice's career has been that it seems that no one is trying to make her a star. Her album, while pleasant, is clearly not anyone's best effort. Her management let her dip off the face of the earth and off the map of the GP. Her label gave her no push on release week. No one is giving her career a push right now and that's really what talent show contestants need to succeed.
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Post by mrossp24 on Feb 28, 2014 1:31:14 GMT -5
How old is she? She needs a new stylist ASAP because she was looking hella rough on Idol tonight. Her wardrobe choices did her no favors whatsoever in the age department tonight.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 28, 2014 8:34:39 GMT -5
In her defense (arguing against the personality bit), she tweeted she was VERY nervous. I also disagree; watching some of her "Idol" performances and other appearances, she has shown plenty of personality. People had the same criticisms about Carrie Underwood, and well... people got over it. I think she'll be fine; in due time, she'll have her success.
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Post by George on Feb 28, 2014 13:23:37 GMT -5
Same Kinda Man and Coulda Been Me are my favorites of the new songs . love the retro feel of them. Wow, I didn't know she covered a Nikki & Rich song! Loved this one!
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Post by crdubb17 on Feb 28, 2014 13:42:04 GMT -5
I totally agree with everything mentioned. It feels like a mix of the label not giving a f*ck about her and her being ok with them not giving a f*ck about her. In watching some of her interviews, I notice she seems completely aloof and indifferent to the business side of things. I remember one particular interview where she felt ok with pushing her album so far behind because in her words "Kelly Clarkson did it and we see how she turned out." I wanted to think she said that to save face, but her disillusion seemed genuine. And we know how labels are: if they had really invested in her, she would have probably been pressured to lose weight and been given a few songs that appealed to a younger audience. It's so easy to forget that the woman is only 24, and that is something one would assume the label would exploit for marketability...if they were actually invested in Candice's future. I enjoy the album immensely, but there aren't any big hits, and it doesn't feel like there was any effort to find her any hits.
And on her side, I don't think she has the business mind or ear for what would create a successful career yet. She's like the opposite of Rihanna (someone who isn't the most talented, but she knows what works for her and she has a knack for knowing what people want to hear and see). Maybe she'll develop those tools after she's dropped and the whole idol fantasy goes away.
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Post by toomuchboy on Feb 28, 2014 16:04:59 GMT -5
I finally had a chance to listen to the album and actually think it's one of the better Idol debuts (which are usually pretty rough, let's be honest). I like "Cried," but should've never been a single. I'm glad "Same Kinda Man" looks to be next in line, because it and "Coulda Been Me" are the best songs to me, with "Damn," "Passenger," and "Forever That Man" slightly behind. "Die Without You" and "Kiss Me" aren't awful, but seem more like filler.
Overall, I wish they would promote her. They could've at least got her a Gold album with a few of these songs if they'd played it right.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Mar 1, 2014 0:52:08 GMT -5
I totally agree with everything mentioned. It feels like a mix of the label not giving a f*ck about her and her being ok with them not giving a f*ck about her. In watching some of her interviews, I notice she seems completely aloof and indifferent to the business side of things. I remember one particular interview where she felt ok with pushing her album so far behind because in her words "Kelly Clarkson did it and we see how she turned out." I wanted to think she said that to save face, but her disillusion seemed genuine. And we know how labels are: if they had really invested in her, she would have probably been pressured to lose weight and been given a few songs that appealed to a younger audience. It's so easy to forget that the woman is only 24, and that is something one would assume the label would exploit for marketability... if they were actually invested in Candice's future. I enjoy the album immensely, but there aren't any big hits, and it doesn't feel like there was any effort to find her any hits. And on her side, I don't think she has the business mind or ear for what would create a successful career yet. She's like the opposite of Rihanna (someone who isn't the most talented, but she knows what works for her and she has a knack for knowing what people want to hear and see). Maybe she'll develop those tools after she's dropped and the whole idol fantasy goes away. They were never really that invested in Candice. Interscope is Iovine's label, yes? He spent quite a fair amount of time on the show ignoring her, until it became apparent (especially after her "Lovesong" rendition) that she had become too dominant to be ignored. I think I said this before last year's championship (or soon after), and I'll say it again: She should have given the mainstream the thumbs-down and headed straight for jazz, and to a label like Verve or Blue Note, because clearly Interscope wanted to shelve this project, and was looking for an excuse to do it, but couldn't, because it would have been an irreparable embarrassment for Idol, especially after what Melanie Amaro's X-Factor victory amounted to. Maybe at a label that specialized in jazz, she would have been luckier to get an assist from a jazz legend or even a young jazz star.
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Post by Evergreen on Mar 1, 2014 16:11:52 GMT -5
Hopefully she'll end up with at least a Rachelle Ferrell type career.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Mar 1, 2014 20:46:39 GMT -5
Here is her IDOL performance. Her ensemble was a disaster. And she performed like she was sedated. But she sounded good. The judges talked about what they were having for dinner while she performed.
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Post by no apologist on Mar 2, 2014 4:50:49 GMT -5
Gurl, American Idol is done. It's obvious that they don't care about the contestants anymore. But then again, I don't know who to blame American Idol or the voters who voted for her as a winner but didn't buy her album.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Mar 2, 2014 9:09:30 GMT -5
It's the show's fault. I watched the show this past week and yep, it's done.
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Post by SHOOTER on Mar 2, 2014 17:40:57 GMT -5
I feel like all of these singing competitions have reached their peak. Even The Voice; it's on season 6 but has yet to produce a legitimate music star, winner or runner-up.
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Post by mc54 on Mar 3, 2014 12:04:27 GMT -5
Flop.
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Post by SHOOTER on Mar 13, 2014 12:41:48 GMT -5
31k sold to date.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Apr 13, 2014 14:38:48 GMT -5
Was forced to listen to this in the car this weekend (was riding with my family, and it was like the only CLEAN album I had on my iPhone), but this sounds so good in the ride! The production on this is solid!
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