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Post by Harx on Feb 13, 2017 1:32:49 GMT -5
I just can't like "Hello". At all. :( One of the biggest hits of the decade, record of the year, but still, I can't force myself to like this song at all as much as I wish I could.
Water Under The Bridge on the other hand was my favorite song from the album. :( :( :(
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Post by forg on Feb 13, 2017 3:11:24 GMT -5
Happy she won for 25 :)
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 13, 2017 3:51:51 GMT -5
That brings Adele up to 15 grammys I believe? :o 15 out of 18 nominations and the first artist in history to sweep Album, Record and Song of the Year twice.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Feb 13, 2017 5:53:28 GMT -5
Adele is a class f**king act. Whether or not I agree with her AOTY or ROTY wins is irrelevant, she would have owned last night anyway. Her "Hello" performance was solid (although I wish she had done something else) but that George Michael tribute is going down as one of those classic Grammy moments. Her giving Greg Kurstin his due at the microphone was amazing. And then she told the complete f**king truth about Beyonce in her acceptance speech and in that backstage press interview. This is why I love her, because she's genuine, talented and has no time for the BS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 7:15:13 GMT -5
Congrats to her. "Fastlove" was such a weird choice of tribute song to sing in that style though. I almost started laughing.
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Post by Revelry on Feb 13, 2017 8:37:04 GMT -5
So happy that she won Album of the Year! I understand that we're all supposed to bow down to Beyonce, but Adele deserved this just as much (if not more imo). So proud of her!
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Post by Peterawr on Feb 13, 2017 9:02:29 GMT -5
Adele is a class f**king act. Whether or not I agree with her AOTY or ROTY wins is irrelevant, she would have owned last night anyway. Her "Hello" performance was solid (although I wish she had done something else) but that George Michael tribute is going down as one of those classic Grammy moments. Her giving Greg Kurstin his due at the microphone was amazing. And then she told the complete f**king truth about Beyonce in her acceptance speech and in that backstage press interview. This is why I love her, because she's genuine, talented and has no time for the BS. The fact she is so humble and down to earth is what makes her so easily liked by everyone. You can tell she still thinks of herself as a normal person who just sort of stumbled into fame. But the fact she straight up said "Lemonade is my album of the year" and "What the fuck does Beyonce have to do to win Album of the Year?" makes me love her. She's not saying she didn't deserve it and was still grateful, but that others are deserving of the awards too. She had her time, she got to experience winning Album of the Year. She wants someone else just as deserving - Beyonce, to experience it too, especially for an album that deserved it. She told the truth, and did so in such a fantastic way. I love this woman so much.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2017 9:12:13 GMT -5
Before the show, I thought that once Adele swept, there would be a certain backlash over it but Adele's personality kind of dampens that a bit. After the George Michael tribute, it's hard to say anything against her because she's so real.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Feb 13, 2017 9:18:07 GMT -5
IMO 25 was simply far and away much more deserving of album of the year. I'm glad she swept and I don't think that this particular instance is representative of the larger problem that I'm sure we can all agree exists. 25 is just a better album. And it sold 10 million copies. You just can't argue that, IMO.
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Post by Choco on Feb 13, 2017 9:47:30 GMT -5
I love this woman so much. Sure Lemonade was also pretty big, but if anyone deserves to be the first person to sweep all three big awards twice it's her.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 13, 2017 9:53:54 GMT -5
Exactly Glory! It's always something when it comes to Beyonce... sigh. You don't sell 10 million in this day and age with bad music, especially when people can just download it or stream... ask Beyonce...
I'm legit pissed of this morning that Adele had to apologize for an award that she deserved to win fair and square. Then you have idiotic black racists on twitter and Vogue writers playing the race card saying that Beyonce was snubbed due to racism. I'm black and Adele deserved to win that award hands down. Lemonade was boring visuals and concept aside. I keep wondering what song on that album is so worthy of all this adulation? The Grammys is about the music not a music video the runtime of a movie. Beyonce did sweep... at the VMAS where she should have. I'm so sick of this woman and her rabid fans....is the whole world up this woman's ass. f so, when will it end because I'm sick and tired of it!
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Post by Mazo on Feb 13, 2017 10:09:14 GMT -5
^The Grammy aren't supposed to be about sales/popularity either, but just so we're clear Lemonade sold over 1.5 million and was the third-best selling album of 2016 so it's a shaky argument to make anyway. 25's sales are the equivalent to Lemonade's visuals; it's the extra that shouldn't be considered in the vote but we all know is being considered. On the flip side, there are people who are worried Bey won't win precisely because of said politics - Adele is exactly the kind of artist Grammy voters like to vote for, while they have consistently been biased against r&b and hip-hop albums in the AOTY category. And let's not act like the Grammys just became political overnight. They were just as political when Adele swept six years ago; only difference now is she has some actual competition to deal with, and we're not used to living in a world where Adele might lose. Every year is always a battle to see whose politics are the best, that's all. With Adele and Bey both signed to Columbia, it's even harder to predict who has the stronger vote pull. I won't be upset if 25 wins AOTY, but I for one am hoping they split the majors - it's hardly a robbing when you take ROTY and SOTY, and Adele is poised to do that (if anything her only threat in those categories is probably 7 Years - now that would be a real theft). Are you serious? Word of mouth doesn't mean jack all if your critically acclaimed album only sold a over 1.5 million in nearly a year. In fact, Beyonce should be ashamed due to all the buzz and free publicity she gets via social media and her fans. I mean, where do these people go when it comes time to buy her music? Did Lemonade even clock a million viewers on HBO? How does that compare to 10 million albums sold?! And we all know black people are the loudest on twitter, that doesn't make them right love. 25 was better than Lemonade musically. We'll listen to the music for years to come, not watch a music video movie. Your argument would be plausible when Bey went up against Beck, but 25 had Lemonade by the balls easily.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2017 10:46:04 GMT -5
People don't buy music. And music that does happen to sell is well-liked, that doesn't make it necessarily "good" or 'significant.' (Not that I'm saying 25 is bad.)
Look, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that Lemonade was a deserving winner while still praising 25, which it seems like most people are doing. 25 isn't an undeserving win, but neither is Lemonade. But after x number of years of similar situations happening, it's frustrating that the Lemonades never win. So unbunch your panties.
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Post by moore746 on Feb 13, 2017 11:38:52 GMT -5
Where do sales of 25 currently stand in the US? How far away are we from 10 million?
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Post by Caviar on Feb 13, 2017 11:49:42 GMT -5
It's ironic when people on social media, including the press, are throwing the race card around but fail to acknowledge that NONE of the singles from Lemonade were even considered/lost in her own category (R&B and Rap)! If "Formation" was so groundbreaking and changed the world, then why did the "black" voters shut her out *almost* completely? Again, if I was a voter who was not familiar with her work, I would look at the ballot and see how their own genre recognized it. Then I would listen to the records myself then vote based on my follow up assessment. But let's be real here, very few voters even take the time to completely consume nominated work prior to casting a ballot. But many probably look within genre fields to make some sort of educated vote.
I think the Grammys are over her and feel that her 20 Grammys are enough. There's so many variables at play here.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 13, 2017 12:05:59 GMT -5
People don't buy music. And music that does happen to sell is well-liked, that doesn't make it necessarily "good" or 'significant.' (Not that I'm saying 25 is bad.) Look, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that Lemonade was a deserving winner while still praising 25, which it seems like most people are doing. 25 isn't an undeserving win, but neither is Lemonade. But after x number of years of similar situations happening, it's frustrating that the Lemonades never win. So unbunch your panties. Yeah, it does if you can easily pirate it. No one had to buy 25 they could have just downloaded it like they did Lemonade or every other album in this day and age. For that reason alone, 25 is truly remarkable and deserving. Lemonade wasn't deserving honestly. I'm not saying that to s**t on Beyonce, I'm being honest. The album sucked. I don't know one song on that made it eligible for AOTY. Was it Hold Up? Sorry? Don't Hurt Yourself, both of which she raps instead of sings and talks about bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent! I've been asking that question since Lemonade's release. The only reason why she was nominated was because of her name. That's why she only took home 2 out of 9 nominations. They used her basically. Anyway, Adele can't even win in peace because every article mentions Beyonce. "Adele took home all the top honors, but bowed to Queen Bey." Sigh.
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Post by Choco on Feb 13, 2017 12:09:42 GMT -5
Where do sales of 25 currently stand in the US? How far away are we from 10 million? I believe it's under 9.2 million but don't quote me on that. It will take a while for it to actually sell 10m.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 13, 2017 12:12:40 GMT -5
The album is certified diamond, but it's at 9.1 million US sales, I believe. What will the sales projection be after the Grammys? Any predictions?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2017 12:12:51 GMT -5
People don't buy music. And music that does happen to sell is well-liked, that doesn't make it necessarily "good" or 'significant.' (Not that I'm saying 25 is bad.) Look, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that Lemonade was a deserving winner while still praising 25, which it seems like most people are doing. 25 isn't an undeserving win, but neither is Lemonade. But after x number of years of similar situations happening, it's frustrating that the Lemonades never win. So unbunch your panties. Yeah, it does if you can easily pirate it. No one had to buy 25 they could have just downloaded like they did Lemonade or every other album in this day and age. For that reason alone, 25 is truly remarkable. Lemonade wasn't deserving honestly. I'm not saying that to s**t on Beyonce, I'm being honest. The album sucked. I don't know one song on that made it eligible for AOTY. Was it Hold Up? Sorry? Don't Hurt Yourself, both of which she raps instead of sings and talks about bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent! I've been asking that question since Lemonade's release. Anyway, Adele can't even win in peace because every article mentions Beyonce. "Adele took home all the top honors, but bowed to Queen Bey." Sigh. If everything is black and white, you're right. But unfortunately for everyone, it's not. 25 and Adele herself is an event and people bought the album because it was primed to be an essential thing to own, not unlike the Candle In The Wind 97 CD single or the Titanic VHS. Some things are hyped so much that people who don't normally buy items want to be part of it because it's an important part of pop culture. Call bulls**t on that if you want but it's true. With that in mind, the fact that 25 was an event is remarkable in itself. And I will once again stress that my part in this discussion isn't to poo-poo on Adele and her win. 25 is not undeserving of the win. My part in this is to defend the idea that Lemonade *is* ALSO deserving of the win. You saying Lemonade sucked doesn't mean it sucked any more than me calling it the best album ever made makes that true. However, you diminishing the album as Beyonce talking about "bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent" just makes you ignorant and that discounts your opinion on the matter. So maybe you should educate yourself or just stop.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 13, 2017 12:22:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it does if you can easily pirate it. No one had to buy 25 they could have just downloaded like they did Lemonade or every other album in this day and age. For that reason alone, 25 is truly remarkable. Lemonade wasn't deserving honestly. I'm not saying that to s**t on Beyonce, I'm being honest. The album sucked. I don't know one song on that made it eligible for AOTY. Was it Hold Up? Sorry? Don't Hurt Yourself, both of which she raps instead of sings and talks about bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent! I've been asking that question since Lemonade's release. Anyway, Adele can't even win in peace because every article mentions Beyonce. "Adele took home all the top honors, but bowed to Queen Bey." Sigh. If everything is black and white, you're right. But unfortunately for everyone, it's not. 25 and Adele herself is an event and people bought the album because it was primed to be an essential thing to own, not unlike the Candle In The Wind 97 CD single or the Titanic VHS. Some things are hyped so much that people who don't normally buy items want to be part of it because it's an important part of pop culture. Call bulls**t on that if you want but it's true. With that in mind, the fact that 25 was an event is remarkable in itself. And I will once again stress that my part in this discussion isn't to poo-poo on Adele and her win. 25 is not undeserving of the win. My part in this is to defend the idea that Lemonade *is* ALSO deserving of the win. You saying Lemonade sucked doesn't mean it sucked any more than me calling it the best album ever made makes that true. However, you diminishing the album as Beyonce talking about "bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent" just makes you ignorant and that discounts your opinion on the matter. So maybe you should educate yourself or just stop. I'm sorry, Rose, but that argument is quite silly. Again, no one had to buy the album when they could have easily pirated it. Why didn't half that many people buy Lemonade? Not even WW? Why? Beyonce had more hype and critical acclaim than Taylor and Adele had for both of their last albums! The world stopped, remember? It was a conversation starter for weeks! My 56 y.o mom bought 25 and loved it, and she had never heard of Adele before Hello. I just bought the album for my cousin just now on Target and that type of music isn't even her thing, but she fell in love with the album when I let her hear it. Adele is universal and everybody likes her music. Men lie, Women lie, Sales and customer reviews don't lie! Anyway, congrats to Adele. I'm out because I'm starting to sound bitter. lol
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2017 12:27:35 GMT -5
If everything is black and white, you're right. But unfortunately for everyone, it's not. 25 and Adele herself is an event and people bought the album because it was primed to be an essential thing to own, not unlike the Candle In The Wind 97 CD single or the Titanic VHS. Some things are hyped so much that people who don't normally buy items want to be part of it because it's an important part of pop culture. Call bulls**t on that if you want but it's true. With that in mind, the fact that 25 was an event is remarkable in itself. And I will once again stress that my part in this discussion isn't to poo-poo on Adele and her win. 25 is not undeserving of the win. My part in this is to defend the idea that Lemonade *is* ALSO deserving of the win. You saying Lemonade sucked doesn't mean it sucked any more than me calling it the best album ever made makes that true. However, you diminishing the album as Beyonce talking about "bouncing from dick to dick in a weird accent" just makes you ignorant and that discounts your opinion on the matter. So maybe you should educate yourself or just stop. I'm sorry, Rose, but that argument is quite silly. Again, no one had to buy the album when they could have easily pirated it. Why didn't half that many people buy Lemonade? Not even WW? Why? Beyonce had more hype and critical acclaim than Taylor and Adele had for both of their last albums! The world stopped, remember? It was a conversation starter for weeks! My 56 y.o mom bought 25 and loved it, and she had never heard of Adele before Hello. I just bought the album for my cousin just now on Target and that type of music isn't even her thing, but she fell in love with the album when I let her hear it. Adele is universal and everybody likes her music. Men lie, Women lie, Sales and customer reviews don't lie! Anyway, congrats to Adele. I'm out because I'm starting to sound bitter. lol I don't know. Why did so many people buy the Candle In The Wind single when they could have recorded it from the radio? Why did so many people buy the Titanic VHS only to not actually watch it? Why did so many people in Canada tune in last year to the final Tragically Hip concert that was broadcast live across the country? People love to be part of big events. 25 was a big event. Besides that theory (which is just a theory but one I will stand firm behind), many of the people who bought 25 would be people who wouldn't know how to download it + it was made easily accessible to purchase, etc, etc. There are a lot of factors at stake. It's not as easy as "they could have downloaded it but they bought it instead." You're right. It is strange that so many people bought 25 when they didn't have to, but not for the reasons you're suggesting. I feel like I should also add that I think the concept of BeyoncΓ© is Queen of Everything is largely a similar idea to 25 being an event. Most of what Beyonce does is hyped WAY up, not so much by her people but by the internet*, so while people bought 25 because it was a big deal, I think many people follow Beyonce's every move because they want to be part of it. It's part of the status quo in pop culture to worship Beyonce. *The internet being people who drink the Bey-Tea and write blogs, tweet and share about Beyonce and how everyone bows down to her.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Feb 13, 2017 12:45:36 GMT -5
Anyone trying to in any way discount a diamond certified album in this sales climate needs to have a seat. I don't care what kind of "event" it was, it was fucking remarkable.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 13, 2017 13:00:55 GMT -5
Where was I discounting it?
(unless you're not talking to me in which case I'll retake my seat)
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Post by Queen of Insomnia. on Feb 13, 2017 14:11:15 GMT -5
Adele sweeped again, and I'm not even mad. She's so humble and reliable. I hope it'll never change.
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Post by Nick on Feb 13, 2017 17:56:08 GMT -5
So glad she won AOTY. She deserved it.
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 13, 2017 22:33:05 GMT -5
Her breaking the damn Grammy to give half to Bey and then low-key cussing the academy out backstage was everything. She knows she's a powerhouse yet doesn't have a fukc to give about it and I love it.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 19, 2017 14:45:26 GMT -5
So, it's a week later and the hive is still fuming...
So they're saying Beyonce deserved to win because her album was critically acclaimed and culturally impacting and broke records, so were they reading the news or nah because Adele's was too?! Hello literally impacted everything, women, men, children, black, white, oriental or biege, animals, objects, even the hairs on my arm! All that without releasing a visual album, so that's not a legitimate reason!
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Post by Choco on Feb 19, 2017 19:08:29 GMT -5
So with the Grammys gone and WUTB wrapping it's underwhelming and unfair run, I think that's it for the 25 era.
Praying we don't have to wait too much for the next album... hopefully it's called 29 and not 37 or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:19:33 GMT -5
Adele is reclusive and also strikes me as one who believes in 'living life' in order to have something to write about. I'm guessing we'll hear from her in 2019 or 2020. So, it's a week later and the hive is still fuming... So they're saying Beyonce deserved to win because her album was critically acclaimed and culturally impacting and broke records, so were they reading the news or nah because Adele's was too?! Hello literally impacted everything, women, men, children, black, white, oriental or biege, animals, objects, even the hairs on my arm! All that without releasing a visual album, so that's not a legitimate reason! Not that this is the place to have a drawn out battle over it, but there's a reason the Hive is complaining about AOTY and not ROTY/SOTY - I have yet to see anyone come for Hello's place in pop culture; but unfortunately, talking about the impact Hello made only shoots an arrow into 25's Achilles heel, that its influence maybe stopped at that one song. It's kind of like comparing Let's Talk About Love to The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. One of those albums is still talked about today (* whispering* even if it did later run into some controversy over the songwriting credits), and the other had one undeniably momentous song and sold a lot. But hey, at the end of the day the loss is probably doing more for Lemonade's legacy than a win would have, and 25 sold a lot. So it's all good.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 21, 2017 20:41:43 GMT -5
RIAA.com:
ADELE Title: WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE Certification Date: February 16, 2017 Label: COLUMBIA Format: SINGLE Gold
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