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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:04:04 GMT -5
If you don't want to hear opinions that disagree with your own stay at the Shania Twain fan sites. That's not what this is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 12:12:28 GMT -5
If you don't want to hear opinions that disagree with your own stay at the Shania Twain fan sites. That's not what this is. There is a big difference between having "opinions that disagree with your own" and being treated rudely and having your opinions disregarded and even mocked, which is what you have done here TCorey. We are commenting on promotion and press releases. You come in and say 'you guys are upset because she didn't get a parade?' and making references to "a party" that we didn't ask for and just outright mocking us. Having opposite opinions is one thing, flat out disrespecting our opinions, and even mocking us, is quite another. I don't recall any one of us doing that to you. We only want the same in return. I suppose that is too much to ask.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:13:40 GMT -5
Um...did you people not reference a #1 party and say that you wanted something similar?
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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Post by bambas on Nov 28, 2004 12:23:25 GMT -5
What a funny rection TCorey - first you complain we putting word into your mouth, when someone points out you did the same, all you can say: this is not a Shania fan site? I think it's funny....
I think your problem is a: "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" behaviour.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:24:46 GMT -5
What a funny rection TCorey - first you complain we putting word into your mouth, when someone points out you did the same, all you can say: this is not a Shania fan site? I think it's funny.... I think your problem is a: "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" behaviour. Please catch up, I already pointed out that you guys were the ones who brought up a party. Not me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 12:25:29 GMT -5
Um...did you people not reference a #1 party and say that you wanted something similar? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. For the record. I don't recall ever asking for "a party." I asked for a Press Release and made comments and stated facts about how BAD Mercury has gotten over the years at promotion. I made many references to a press release. Other people may have made a comment about a party but it may have been in reference to the party Reba got for a BOUGHT # 1 song. I don't remember the exact comment or who made it, but I think the point may have been to say that Reba got a party for a # 1 that was Bought and paid for; while Shania's label can't even put out a Press Release about "COO" going Double Diamond. On a personal note to TCorey: It would be nice if you dropped the attitude for a moment. It is clear how you feel. It is also clear that you do not respect us, or our opinions, enough to end the snide little remarks and jabs. If you can't partipate in a discussion without mocking the posters and making smartmouth comments at every turn, maybe it would be best if you "got out of the kitchen" for a while. Our feelings about this issue may not make sense to you and may even seem foolish to you, but it would be nice if you would show a little respect. You don't have to agree with someone's views to show respect to them.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 28, 2004 12:25:37 GMT -5
Please catch up, I already pointed out that you guys were the ones who brought up a party. Not me. I'm havin' me a party!
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:26:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry you don't feel respected, but the whole argument is foolish to me and I will act accordingly. Nowhere in this thread have I personally attacked anyone, nor will I. However, when something seems ridiculous, I will state it.
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Post by bambas on Nov 28, 2004 12:30:01 GMT -5
If you would read my post clearly would know, I always talked about a press-release, you bought up the party thing, better said the "parade" .
And it still doesn't change the fact, when you are disagree with what I say, you throw it's not a fan-site. But obviously, everyone here is fan of artist/artists, and most of the time behaving like one too - and you're not an exception.
"Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi"
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:31:15 GMT -5
If you would read my post clearly would know, I always talked about a press-release, you bought up the party thing, better said the "parade" . Um, let's see from the first page of this topic, you said: "So why not a little parade about an album reaching 20 million certification- an achievement made by no other female and country act in the States?" And also brought up a party thrown for Reba's #1.
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Post by bambas on Nov 28, 2004 12:37:21 GMT -5
You see, now this is a totally ridiculous behaviour... You just took out the text from the context.
It was an answer to your own post:
Because maybe they think she needs it more than Shani does.
I'm not even commenting on the rest of it because it's all Sales, sales, sales. Mercury is an awful label because they didn't throw a parade for Shania because she sold a lot of records? -------------------- Now your post was #5 in the tread, mine #7
You just proved my point....Congratulation!
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 12:40:06 GMT -5
You just proved my point....Congratulation!
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Post by bambas on Nov 28, 2004 12:46:25 GMT -5
Look I really did not wanted to take this tread to this pint, because I am trully respect your opinion, even when I am disagree with it.
But no one likes to be talked down, or being inmediatelly accused of a "blind Shania Fan interested only in her success", just because we don't see eye to eye with you things.
That said, I am out off here - but did not gave up on a press-release...
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Post by BlueAcoustic on Nov 29, 2004 10:37:04 GMT -5
In response to the comment that Terri was "rushed into making another album" after the GH cd... that's totally FALSE.
Terri was working on a new cd before the GH even came out. Mercury decided to put out the GH cd first and then a new cd in February.
And also on that note, Terri has no intention of crossing over to pop. Why should she? Just to sell out and sell more cd's ??
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Post by Marv on Nov 29, 2004 11:29:33 GMT -5
It would be EXTREMELY asinine for anybody as firmly entrenched at country radio as Terri is to even REMOTELY consider crossing over to the AC format; the fact that there are three country singles in R&Rs top 10 merely shows an attempt by the record labels for Keith Urban & Martina McBride to introduce three GREAT songs to an entirely new audience, much like Shania, Lee Ann Womack, Lonestar and others have done, with spectacular results.
It is certainly no crime for any artist of another genre to have his or her music exposed and/or serviced to listeners at another format; it is certainly NOT detrimental to the artist, either as it relates to airplay his/her predominant format, or record sales.
Although Mr. Twain & Faith Hill have had FAR less success at country radio in the past 24-36 months than they did prior to that, they both still have LOTS of music in country radio libraries with which to earn royalties, even if both have been left behind by the format's dramatic and VERY noticeable shift back to its traditional-based roots during the past 3+ years.
There is certainly room for them at country radio, but the fomats's shift away from the pop-country fluff which alienated listeners and record buyers alike, which resulted in the release of such critical tunes as 'Murder On Music Row' is something they'll have to acknowledge and account for when selecting future material.
That would be especially true for Ms. Hill, who hasn't had a HUGE single at the format in years, as opposed to her husband, who leads everybody with 17 #1s since 1997.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 29, 2004 15:26:13 GMT -5
There is certainly room for them at country radio, but the fomats's shift away from the pop-country fluff which alienated listeners and record buyers alike, which resulted in the release of such critical tunes as 'Murder On Music Row' is something they'll have to acknowledge and account for when selecting future material. You're right. They are shifting away from their "Pop" flirting and look at em. Country is downsizing in popularity. The only reason people are starting to listen to it is because pop radio is horrible now and people are getting older. And Shania was never pop. She was rock. Britney is pop, Shania is rock. Country rock. And that's what clicked. It worked because in the 1990s the pop format was more Rock. Now, it is rap and hip hop and no body likes it.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 29, 2004 17:03:08 GMT -5
You're right. They are shifting away from their "Pop" flirting and look at em. Country is downsizing in popularity. The only reason people are starting to listen to it is because pop radio is horrible now and people are getting older. And Shania was never pop. She was rock. Britney is pop, Shania is rock. Country rock. And that's what clicked. It worked because in the 1990s the pop format was more Rock. Now, it is rap and hip hop and no body likes it. You're making some gross generalizations there.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 29, 2004 17:06:16 GMT -5
You're making some gross generalizations there. It's true. It's all true. Pop radio is struggling because they have gone rap. What else would have caused it? Shania was called pop but she is really more rock, IMO. I found a great post on www.shania-twain.org/mb by Randy: The singles charts can be tampered with, and everyone out there who knows anything about these charts know that most of the time they really don't have much credibility because the record labels buy their artists' to #1. Shania doesn't play that game, and that's okay. What is important to me is the album chart. Album sales don't lie, and Shania's album sales speak for themselves as to who is the real #1 in country music.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 29, 2004 17:08:09 GMT -5
It's true. It's all true. Pop radio is struggling because they have gone rap. What else would have caused it? I'm talking about people hating all of it. That's far from true.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 29, 2004 17:17:45 GMT -5
I'm talking about people hating all of it. That's far from true. Okay, less people enjoy listening to pop radio beacause of the domination of rap and hip hop..
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 29, 2004 20:03:16 GMT -5
Okay, less people enjoy listening to pop radio beacause of the domination of rap and hip hop.. No because they have more options to hear it. Pop radio doesn't create their own hits as much as they used to. You can turn to the local Rhythmic and Urban stations if you want to hear Rap/Hip-Hop, that's why their ratings might be down. Not because people don't like it.
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Post by Marv on Nov 30, 2004 12:08:12 GMT -5
Country is NOT downsizing in popularity, and here's why.
The format is ADDING new reporters; it's doing VERY well, and given the dreadful conditions at CHR/Pop, it's bound to consistently gain more in popularity.
That is ESPECIALLY true among the ultra-important 25-54 women bracket, the most coveted listeners in the nation, as adults and teens continue to abandon top 40 radio in droves.
Country music sales will be up approximately TWENTY percent this year; the industry overall will be VERY lucky to eke out a meager 5-6% gain over an equally lousy sales year in 2003.
The core artists (Tim, Kenny, B&D etc.) are STILL making very strong music.
Except for Kenny Chesney and a handful of veteran CHR/Pop artists, the concert biz in 2004 was a disaster, according to a recent BB cover story.
Relative newcomers such as Joe Nichols & Keith Urban are doing VERY well.
The bad news at CHR/Pop, between Usher's greed, Ashlee's 'Saturday Night Live' fiasco (and the ensuing decapitation she suffered AGAIN on '60 Minutes' eight days later), INSANE comments from that Florida-based bozo who rented a soundstage in Orlando and created the BackStreet Boys, made 2004 a disaster for CHR/Pop radio, both format-wise and sales-wise; country radio had NO such embarrassing incidents to spoil it's year.
The onslaught of three SOLID debut CDs from three females (Gretchen Wilson, Rachel Proctor, Julie Roberts) is a HUGE plus for the format, which has been male-dominated for several years running.
You canmot ask for sales numbers as good as the opening week figures for Tim, Gretchen, Shania, Toby & Alan have enjoyed this year, and not come to the universal opinion that numbers such as those can only be construed as spectacular news for the format.
There's no doubt that the format will gain NEW reporters in 2005, and all of the facts above will certainly have a HUGE role in that.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 30, 2004 12:28:26 GMT -5
You forgot Shania's #1 Country Tour Country radio is going to run themselves into the ground if they don't stop playing the same songs OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!! Yes, the new acts this year have performed very well. But give credit where credit is due: the established acts have sold the best and continue to carry the genre. IMO, if not for two acts, Shania and Tim, this genre wouldn't survive. Country cannot go traditional, it will kill them. I know several who like country, play a Dolly song, and they scream TURN IT OFF! Alan, George, etc. cannot bring in the numbers that Shania and Tim do. You don't see them on high profile multi-genre shows either. The reason Gretchen is on these is because she has been all over Billboard lately. Point being, country cannot survive on traditional style and they can't survive without female artists. They learned that the hard way in the end of 2003 and the beginning of 2004. If you notice, they are beginning to (slowly) reverse the trend back to the style of 1997-1999.
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Post by smack on Nov 30, 2004 12:52:06 GMT -5
I agree with Tcorey....there are 2 or 3 absolutely shania crazed fans who think shania is this, that, and everything in between. She is big, that's all. I'm sick of hearing all this hype about how big she is, she's #1. This will be my ONLY reply on this post period. I will not even check this one again.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Nov 30, 2004 13:23:46 GMT -5
Ditto. This thread is ridiculous. And not even interesting.
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Post by Marv on Nov 30, 2004 14:42:28 GMT -5
As previously stated, having three critically acclaimed debut CD from three female newcomers (Gretchen Wilson, Rachel Proctor & Julie Roberts is GREAT for the format; the format has leaned male for several years, so a return to a more-balanced product is a good thing.
Having lots of material from Shania, Faith, JoDee Messina, Trisha Yearwood and other female stars is nice, but having three stellar CDs hit the marketplace in a single calendar year is wonderful.
The fact that FIVE songs by females made R&Rs year-end top 20 for 2004, even though none of them cracked the year-end top 10, isn't too shabby either.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 30, 2004 14:47:13 GMT -5
As previously stated, having three critically acclaimed debut CD from three female newcomers (Gretchen Wilson, Rachel Proctor & Julie Roberts is GREAT for the format; the format has leaned male for several years, so a return to a more-balanced product is a good thing. Having lots of material from Shania, Faith, JoDee Messina, Trisha Yearwood and other female stars is nice, but having three stellar CDs hit the marketplace in a single calendar year is wonderful. The fact that FIVE songs by females made R&Rs year-end top 20 for 2004, even though none of them cracked the year-end top 10, isn't too shabby either. Next year will be even better, with new albums from: LeAnn Rimes, Trisha Yearwood, Terri Clark, Gretchen Wilson, Faith Hill, Jo Dee Messina, and maybe even Shania...
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 30, 2004 16:26:14 GMT -5
I agree with Tcorey....there are 2 or 3 absolutely shania crazed fans who think shania is this, that, and everything in between. She is big, that's all. I'm sick of hearing all this hype about how big she is, she's #1. This will be my ONLY reply on this post period. I will not even check this one again. ****END OF MESSAGE**** Thank God. I felt like a lone sane person at the nuthouse.
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Post by bambas on Nov 30, 2004 21:39:57 GMT -5
Thank God. I felt like a lone sane person at the nuthouse. But you did a fool of yourself too (go back to earlier page) And you have double standards....
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