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Post by surfy on Nov 9, 2014 13:56:17 GMT -5
This is kind of the Lil Kim vs. Nicki situation. But now Nicki has become the Kim of the situation... she's afraid that Iggy will outshine her and steal her spotlight, which is why she gets as many digs in as she can... it's sad too, especially given the drought of female rappers. You'd think they would want to work on the same team and help other females break into the industry. You mean like Kim did, back in the day? How she worked with females and other female rappers? Nicki could never because she's been bringing down female rappers since day one, starting with the one that opened the door FOR HER, Lil Kim. I'm confused as to how the beef started. I just remember constantly seeing Lil Kim in interviews talking about Nicki and taking jabs at her, I don't really know who/how it all started. But I liked it when Eve/Missy/Kim were all around and were encouraging female rappers. It definitely opened the doors for Nicki, there's absolutely no denying that.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Nov 9, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Nov 9, 2014 14:04:38 GMT -5
This is kind of the Lil Kim vs. Nicki situation. But now Nicki has become the Kim of the situation... she's afraid that Iggy will outshine her and steal her spotlight, which is why she gets as many digs in as she can... it's sad too, especially given the drought of female rappers. You'd think they would want to work on the same team and help other females break into the industry.You mean like Kim did, back in the day? How she worked with females and other female rappers? Nicki could never because she's been bringing down female rappers since day one, starting with the one that opened the door FOR HER, Lil Kim. I agree. I hate when people say Nicki has opened doors for other female rappers to shine. She hasn't. She's broken down doors for herself, and built a brick wall on the other side in hopes that no one else can come through.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 14:10:10 GMT -5
You mean like Kim did, back in the day? How she worked with females and other female rappers? Nicki could never because she's been bringing down female rappers since day one, starting with the one that opened the door FOR HER, Lil Kim. I'm confused as to how the beef started. I just remember constantly seeing Lil Kim in interviews talking about Nicki and taking jabs at her, I don't really know who/how it all started. But I liked it when Eve/Missy/Kim were all around and were encouraging female rappers. It definitely opened the doors for Nicki, there's absolutely no denying that. No offense but this is why it's hard to take your Kim shade seriously...you clearly don't really know that much about her, her legacy or what she did for female rappers (specifically Nicki.) Nicki's first few mixtapes (the ones that got her shine) were full of disses about the old female rappers being washed up, tired, not writing their own rhymes, etc. but she stayed mentioning how she was inspired by Kim and Foxy in her interviews. She was basically burning the candle at both ends by paying homage but also dissing them and calling them washed up has-beens. Then once she started to get popular, she started very clearly modeling her entire look after Kim's looks from the early 2000s and stopped giving Kim credit as an influence. Not once have I seen her mention Kim, who really birthed the style that Nicki has reinvented and popularized today, as a major fashion influence after like 2008. She continued to drop kind of suspect lines about taking the crown, being the new queen of rap, etc. and Kim finally responded and dropped Black Friday. Then they went back and forth with Nicki delivering C-level disses and Kim delivering F-level disses (not a good time for her musically at all) and then Nicki realized she could be the bigger person and let the beef go and now she acts like it was a one-sided beef and Kim has always been a jealous hater. There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff too with management but at the core, it was Nicki dissing Kim while she was on the come up, then taking a lot of influence from her and Kim finally responding when Nicki had burst through to the mainstream. I wouldn't say that Nicki has built a wall for female rappers. She opened the doors for Iggy, Azealia and Angel Haze to get signed. But she is not exactly welcoming other females with open arms the way Eve, Missy, Kim and Trina did on their first albums. ETA: I love both of them but just like I can admit Kim was wrong for beefing with Eve back in the day for no reason (even if we got great music out of it), I have too admit that Nicki definitely was a biter early on in her career and didn't really give Kim the props she deserved. But I almost understand because it's clear that Nicki's biggest goal was breaking through and it's hard to do that when you're being constantly compared to someone else. Both of them have been petty about this beef imo, Kim just needs to take a note out of Nicki's book and not speak abuot it.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 9, 2014 14:12:26 GMT -5
@nekira_hodge
@josborne32 can you please explain to people of how the Only lyric vid represents Dictatorship & not of the nazi! People are fake offended.
All I have to say about this us that Nic revitalized female rapping. Agreed with @soblu , she opened doors for Angel and Iggy to be signed.
The Kim beef- Honestly, can they BOTH(Kim most likely) be over it ?! There's enough room, and Imo, Kim is not gonna get much attention as a indie, lbr.
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Post by surfy on Nov 9, 2014 14:33:38 GMT -5
Oh, I knew they threw disses back and forth for a while, but I didn't know what fully happened, I heard it was management giving Nicki a Kim song and that started it all.
I definitely think Kim should stop talking about Nicki and start promoting herself. (I have nothing against Kim btw, just a bit of fun, I enjoy some of her songs)
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Nov 9, 2014 15:41:12 GMT -5
Female rappers have been getting signed since the beginning of time. I don't see how Nicki contributed to the signing of Iggy or that Angel girl who most people have never even heard of. There are plenty of other female rappers who have gotten major deals that no one cares about [see Sisterhood of Hip Hop] since the emergence of Nicki.
Her "door-opening" has been strictly for herself. She hasn't done anything to help another female rapper get any kind of acknowledgement close to, or equal to that of her own. And that's fine. I don't see anything necessarily WRONG with that. But in the end, it's going to work against her. The life span of a female rapper is short. If her peers don't even like her, she's going to be left in the dust the moment the next hot bitch drops.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 9, 2014 16:10:09 GMT -5
Iggy is the "next" hot bitch right? Nicki still here not dusty.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Nov 9, 2014 16:11:59 GMT -5
This isn't a magic trick. Iggy just came to relevancy.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 9, 2014 16:23:17 GMT -5
I'll say the only time she recognized someone close to her status(hit,chart-wise) was Iggy in the that Breakfast Club Interview, and that was an notice of "Fancy" going #1.
You right, she preaches female unity, but has yet to work with another female rapper.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 9, 2014 17:23:14 GMT -5
Well what female rapper is there for her to really work with that is worthy? You're not just going to put any female on your record just because. And female rappers today have either shaded or hated on her. Remy Ma is someone who she has expressed wanting to work with repeatdely.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 9, 2014 17:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by felipe on Nov 9, 2014 20:52:45 GMT -5
Am I alone to think she was a terrible host?
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Post by wavey. on Nov 9, 2014 20:56:48 GMT -5
Am I alone to think she was a terrible host? She did okay. The crowd was hype the whole time.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 9, 2014 20:57:07 GMT -5
She was flawless tonight.
Great performance and all the looks were on point.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 10, 2014 19:18:46 GMT -5
Whatever flak she gets for the lyric video is more than deserved. Sorry, but she/whoever else that put this lyric video together knew exactly what they were doing with the Nazi symbolism. And putting the word "chamber" over a picture of a gas mask? Really?
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Post by Kinney on Nov 10, 2014 19:21:05 GMT -5
It's indefensible as a fan. As much as I didn't care for Pill N Potions, at least that didn't scream desperation like every move she has made post. I'm genuinely surprised they haven't taken it down yet.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 10, 2014 20:30:30 GMT -5
1.426 million views so far. I hope the video drops soon.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 8:24:26 GMT -5
@nickiminaj The artist who made the lyric video for “Only” was influenced by a cartoon on Cartoon Network called "Metalocalypse" & Sin City.
@nickiminaj Both the producer, & person in charge of over seeing the lyric video (one of my best friends & videographer: A. Loucas), happen to be Jewish
@nickiminaj I didn't come up w/the concept, but I'm very sorry & take full responsibility if it has offended anyone. I'd never condone Nazism in my art.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 9:31:00 GMT -5
But... One of my best friends is black!
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 11, 2014 9:49:46 GMT -5
I mean, it's great that someone who HAPPENS to be Jewish was not offended and even involved in the creation of the video but it doesn't make it any less of a bad idea. All she had to do was acknowledge it as such, apologize, and move on, but let's not try to make excuses, Nicki. I believe she herself was not going for a Nazi theme or trying to offend anyone but she should have never signed off on the final product. That said, pop music has been wrought with controversial images. I remember when Madonna was burning crosses and fornicating with Black Jesus in her video for Like A Prayer, a song that legit gospel singers signed up for. Tasteless is tasteless but I feel like this is just par for the course, really.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 11, 2014 10:01:38 GMT -5
But... One of my best friends is black! !!! Girl gone.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 11, 2014 12:17:19 GMT -5
Whatever flak she gets for the lyric video is more than deserved. Sorry, but she/whoever else that put this lyric video together knew exactly what they were doing with the Nazi symbolism. And putting the word "chamber" over a picture of a gas mask? Really? I agree. This should have never been the final product. With the lyrical content of this song being so basic, it's not difficult to come up with thousands of other concepts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 12:44:43 GMT -5
The "my best friend is Jewish" line was dumb but she did apologize and take full responsibility. That's a lot better than Miley, Katy and Iggy who shrugged off offended groups as haters or didnt respond to the criticism at all.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 13:58:29 GMT -5
I'm over it. I just want to see the video and hear the audio version of "Bed of Lies".
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 11, 2014 14:06:40 GMT -5
The "my best friend is Jewish" line was dumb but she did apologize and take full responsibility. That's a lot better than Miley, Katy and Iggy who shrugged off offended groups as haters or didnt respond to the criticism at all. Your distaste for these people are just as and even more, in some cases, toxic than their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:10:14 GMT -5
Did I lie though? Miley literally said that the black people who voiced discomfort at her commodification of black women's bodies and cultural appropriation of Black culture as "haters", Iggy has never spoken about the criticism she received from Indian groups for the Bounce video and Katy was just like "Guess I'll have to stick to baseball and hot dogs!" when confronted with her racist ass geisha routine.
You might like these hoes but the proof is in their vanilla pudding!! How is holding them accountable for their decisions to incorporate stereotypes and appropriate cultural trends which are getting POC killed every day "just as toxic" as them doing that...if you don't go listen to Izzy Hyacinth's marblemouth and sit down somewhere.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 11, 2014 14:16:31 GMT -5
Is that all of it or do you need to edit your thoughts once more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:19:19 GMT -5
I just don't get why soblu name stay on ya keyboard. Like good for you for accepting Iggy's Trina impression or Miley using black culture as a comeup or Katy Perry's literal yellowface but why does it have you so bothered that someone doesn't like it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:19:55 GMT -5
If they were using slavery imagery like depicting their "lessors" in the industry in shackles and chains, being shipped over to do slave labor for them, and beating them, I'd say we could compare those instances to what Nicki is doing. I don't think most (if any) of these pop stars accused of appropriating other cultures are doing it maliciously or are even aware of how what they're doing could be construed as offensive. Our culture still appropriates other cultures' imagery into fashion. Is it right? Maybe not, but in 2014, I don't think anyone can play naive and oblivious when it comes to glamorizing Nazi imagery. The fact that the director was retweeting peoples' accusations without any sort of apology and doing it in a manner that seemed to have the purpose of further antagonizing the critics makes me believe that this wasn't some silly little "oops" on their part.
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