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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:24:11 GMT -5
I'm not defending Nicki or her team's actions at all. Her apology was flawed, she used the Jewish thing as a shield, I doubt she would've said anything if she had not been confronted and the video is still up. But she at least did apologize to people who were offended by the video and accepted the blame that comes with her video.
Obviously the situations are different, but I was glad to see someone finally saying "Ok I fucked up and that was wrong" when confronted by people who were like "That wasn't a good thing you did" instead of ignoring or even belittling the criticism. If no one ever called them out, that'd be one thing. But all of them have been publicly acknowledged as doing something that makes certain minority groups uncomfortable and all of them have shirked responsibility or accountability.
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Post by dbhmr on Nov 11, 2014 14:31:57 GMT -5
I'm not defending Nicki or her team's actions at all. Her apology was flawed, she used the Jewish thing as a shield, I doubt she would've said anything if she had not been confronted and the video is still up. But she at least did apologize to people who were offended by the video and accepted the blame that comes with her video. Obviously the situations are different, but I was glad to see someone finally saying "Ok I f**ked up and that was wrong" when confronted by people who were like "That wasn't a good thing you did" instead of ignoring or even belittling the criticism. If no one ever called them out, that'd be one thing. But all of them have been publicly acknowledged as doing something that makes certain minority groups uncomfortable and all of them have shirked responsibility or accountability. I thought you said Iggy has never publicly acknowledged the criticism? Nicki may have tweeted a more direct (though still flawed) apology, but this video is also far more outright offensive than the cases you listed. It's indefensible.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 14:37:19 GMT -5
Just a question @soblu- Do you not like white people?
I'm not digging, I'm really just trying to understand where you're coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:39:55 GMT -5
I'm not defending Nicki or her team's actions at all. Her apology was flawed, she used the Jewish thing as a shield, I doubt she would've said anything if she had not been confronted and the video is still up. But she at least did apologize to people who were offended by the video and accepted the blame that comes with her video. Obviously the situations are different, but I was glad to see someone finally saying "Ok I f**ked up and that was wrong" when confronted by people who were like "That wasn't a good thing you did" instead of ignoring or even belittling the criticism. If no one ever called them out, that'd be one thing. But all of them have been publicly acknowledged as doing something that makes certain minority groups uncomfortable and all of them have shirked responsibility or accountability. I thought you said Iggy has never publicly acknowledged the criticism? Nicki may have tweeted a more direct (though still flawed) apology, but this video is also far more outright offensive than the cases you listed. It's indefensible. She didn't acknowledge it? To my knowledge anyway, I know she gave sort of a lame duck apology for the slavemaster line but I think she's been mum since then about the things people have called her out on. I totally get that Nicki's video was a lot more directly offensive and disgusting, I completely agree. But I think it's unfair to act like the only time it's ok for people to get offended by something a music artist does is when they are doing the worst possible thing (the Holocaust, slavery, etc.) Miley and Katy may not have been as extreme or blatantly insensitive, but their actions warranted critique and even when confronted with how they were offensive (in terms of Miley's cultural appropriation and using being black as a party hat and Katy's homogenization of Asian culture and use of stereotypes), they didn't have anything to say. All I'm saying, is that I was glad that Nicki could at least own up to her mistake, at least partially.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 11, 2014 14:50:05 GMT -5
All I'm saying, is that I was glad that Nicki could at least own up to her mistake, at least partially. Let's be honest though. If this exact situation was about a white artist, you'd be raking them over the coals and not giving any credit for an apology.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:51:32 GMT -5
The National Director of the Anti-Defamation League's statement:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:55:40 GMT -5
All I'm saying, is that I was glad that Nicki could at least own up to her mistake, at least partially. Let's be honest though. If this exact situation was about a white artist, you'd be raking them over the coals and not giving any credit for an apology. If a white artist did this video, said the same apology and accepted blame, I would have the same reaction. Now, it's a little different if a white person depicted slavery or something like that, imo, because there is not a deep-seated history of Trinidadian-Americans participating in Nazism and continuing to profit off of the systems that it created today. Like Iggy's slavemaster line apology was kind of lame to me because she didn't seem to really get how off-color the line was, but I'm not going to fault someone for taking responsibility and owning up to their mistakes. It doesn't absolve them of wrongdoing, and Nicki is still wrong for letting this video come out and leaving it up, but it's much better than the bulk of entertainers who don't address criticism that comes from minority groups at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:59:39 GMT -5
Now, it's a little different if a white person depicted slavery or something like that, imo, because there is not a deep-seated history of Trinidadian-Americans participating in Nazism and continuing to profit off of the systems that it created today.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 11, 2014 15:03:12 GMT -5
Just a question @soblu- Do you not like white people? I'm not digging, I'm really just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm one of the worthy white people that Soblu likes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 15:05:13 GMT -5
Just a question @soblu- Do you not like white people? I'm not digging, I'm really just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm one of the worthy white people that Soblu likes. My unproblematic white fave!!
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2014 16:15:23 GMT -5
So the director made a statement... As far as an explanation, I think it's actually important to remind younger generations of atrocities that occurred in the past as a way to prevent them from happening in the future. And the most effective way of connecting with people today is through social media and pop culture. So if my work is misinterpreted because it's not a sappy tearjerker, sorry I'm not sorry. What else is trending? What a fucking pig. This entire thing is inexcusable and if this guy actually thinks "educating younger generations" of the Holocaust through a rap artist's lyric video (with such appalling symbolism spread throughout it, too) is appropriate, then he's an even bigger imbecile than I already pegged him to be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:18:48 GMT -5
His intentions were already clear. You don't educate people about the genocide of millions and millions of people by glamorizing it.
This is why Nicki's "apology" isn't an apology at all. Part of her apology was excusing his intentions and actions when it's becoming increasingly clear that he's got twisted, bigoted views.
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Post by DJ General on Nov 11, 2014 16:22:19 GMT -5
Sad this is how she has to resort to sell albums :(
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 17:42:19 GMT -5
Lol, it's more of promoting the single, but hey, controversy sells.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2014 17:52:23 GMT -5
Lol, it's more of promoting the single, but hey, controversy sells. ?! -It's not more of "promoting the single" because it's A) exploiting the event of a mass murder that cost over 6 million people their lives and B) being used as an excuse to "educate the youth" of the Holocaust, which is absolutely indefensible. That's not promotion; that's exploitation. -Controversy sells? Tell that to Duck Dynasty's TV ratings after Phil Robertson compared homosexuality to bestiality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:57:01 GMT -5
Anyone defending the video at this point, especially with what we know now, is just as guilty as the director in my book.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Nov 11, 2014 18:02:13 GMT -5
Anyone defending the video at this point, especially with what we know now, is just as guilty as the director in my book. Maybe/hopefully they're stanning ironically.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 11, 2014 20:01:24 GMT -5
Nah. Wavey has a very simple, childlike way of viewing situations like this. He means no harm.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 20:15:57 GMT -5
I hate ya'll .
It's not being childish, I'm just looking at the buzz side of things. Obviously it's f**ked up how he did the lyric video due to the history of the illustrations, but how long is this going to be dragged?
Stanning, and just being ignorant about the situation would be slw or Pit bull's favorite.
EDIT: I didn't see @jazzysoul47 's post about the video being premiered on the anniversary of The Holocaust. Yeah, that director/artist knew what he was doing. You can't beat that, it's blatantly rude.
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Post by ILLUSION on Nov 11, 2014 20:21:58 GMT -5
Moving on....
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 11, 2014 21:51:45 GMT -5
Some of the stuff on these last 2 pages might be the worst and most disgusting things I've ever read on this board. There is a world of difference between dressing up as another culture, regardless of intention, and referencing and glorifying a part of history where an entire group of people was systematically hunted down, tortured, and killed for who they were! It's astounding that some might even make the connection and try to excuse the latter in any way, shape, or form. I'm honestly still shocked that they even put this up. You would think that some executive somewhere would have put 2 and 2 together .
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 11, 2014 21:59:24 GMT -5
I am shaking my head in disbelief at her video. It's so obvious what she is referring to. Is there no one with even some education there who decides what goes out and what should go straight into the recycling bin? There is absolutely no way to justify this at all. It will never ever be acceptable to re-purpose that into something else for entertainment or any other purposes. It's gross.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 22:04:04 GMT -5
oh my god.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 22:27:05 GMT -5
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Post by think pink. on Nov 11, 2014 22:33:55 GMT -5
Nah
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 11, 2014 23:32:00 GMT -5
New Man? Wow. Even he's not here for what Nicki is serving with "Only."
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Post by wavey. on Nov 11, 2014 23:35:30 GMT -5
🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾, I think that's actually the guy she mentioned in her apology tweets.
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Post by The Music Man on Nov 11, 2014 23:45:23 GMT -5
That director's statement is quite possibly the most horrifying, oblivious quote I've ever read in my years of following music. He should tour one of the Holocaust museums in Washington or Jerusalem and then revisit exactly how "educational" his video is.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 12, 2014 0:22:46 GMT -5
That director's statement is quite possibly the most horrifying, oblivious quote I've ever read in my years of following music. He should tour one of the Holocaust museums in Washington or Jerusalem and then revisit exactly how "educational" his video is. He needs to visit either Dachau or Auschwitz in Germany. I've been to both and they were surreal experiences.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 12, 2014 0:44:37 GMT -5
That director's statement is quite possibly the most horrifying, oblivious quote I've ever read in my years of following music. He should tour one of the Holocaust museums in Washington or Jerusalem and then revisit exactly how "educational" his video is. He needs to visit either Dachau or Auschwitz in Germany. I've been to both and they were surreal experiences. Auschwitz is actually in Poland...but yeah, it was horrific to see those remnants, human hair turned gray from the poison, the stolen belongings, etc. Made me so angry. Can't believe this video hasn't been removed yet.
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