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Post by surfy on Jul 21, 2015 19:02:32 GMT -5
I think Anaconda deserved to be nominated, it was a fucking record breaking video! What else is needed?
And Feeling Myself probz would've been nominated if it wasn't on Tidal. I still haven't seen the video... :(
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:16:46 GMT -5
She's a damn fool for trying to act like Taylor removing her music from Spotify is anything like Tidal. But everyone is praising her for being "woke" so I'm not sure there's even a point to this anymore.
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Post by Mark on Jul 21, 2015 19:31:01 GMT -5
I think Anaconda deserved to be nominated, it was a f**king record breaking video! What else is needed? That's terrible logic. Steaming is growing fast, and the record has been broken so many times in the last few years. First it was Justin, then Miley, then One Direction, then Miley again, etc etc.... That's like saying that song back in 2005, when digital downloads were surging, should be nominated simply because it broken the record for most downloads in a week. I'm not saying that a video that breaks the record automatically SHOULDN"T be nominated, but the fact that it did should not guarantee it a slot.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 21, 2015 19:46:52 GMT -5
Taylor responded to a subtweet about her, the only other female--besides Beyoncé for 7/11, a woman of similar body size--nominated in the category. Then, what began with Nicki operating from a place of unadulterated butthurtness, a losing battle for her, has now morphed into something political. Surely at the behest of an associate, too, but anyway. It's unbelievable to me that people actually think s**tty industry beauty pageants are worthy of entry into protest. Fans and artists alike. Frankly, your video is boring gyration. I don't care who is doing it. It's played. It has been played. And you are notoriously anti-competition so let's not pretend you're looking out for anyone else, Nicki. :Bebe Rexha: :Ester Dean: Amen.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Jul 21, 2015 19:57:35 GMT -5
I don't get Nicki's point when Beyoncé (woman, black) received 5 nominations for "7/11", including "Video of the Year".
Shoudn't Nicki address political influence in the industry then?
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Post by wavey. on Jul 21, 2015 20:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:09:31 GMT -5
When the fuck isn't Azealia feeling some type of way (read: pressed)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:16:46 GMT -5
I mean obviously it's easy for people to dismiss this as just another black girl being a sore loser and pulling that always handy race card. But Nicki has spoken out about this before, the fact that she is held to a different standard and has to work 100x harder as a black female rapper just to be overlooked time and time again. The fact is that even though Bey got plenty of nominations, she (until recently) has remained the pillar of respectability. She never gets buck on Twitter, she stays in her lane to an almost startling degree and she is viciously private about her personal and political views. Until the past few years when she's finally become less concerned with industry politics, she has been the model for being pretty and non-threatening to white people. Nicki is viewed as loud, crass and slutty by a lot of people and she routinely gets overlooked and ignored (aside from her 14,000 BET Awards) while Miley (and *insert white girl here*) is viewed the same way but gets awarded, praised and constantly defended for expressing herself.
Anaconda as a song is doo-doo but the video was a moment, reducing the context of the video and song to "gyrating" (which.......) is silly. To go on to reduce Nicki's words to her being a petty ass bitch about Kim/Ester/whoever is also silly. She can be a petty ass copycatting thotiana and still be right about the fact that white women of all kinds will be praised and awarded while black women have to fit into the cookie cutter GoodBlack model to get anything. It's weird to me that we're criticizing Nicki for "making this political" and not criticizing Taylor Swift's entry-level feminism that is constantly heralded as game-changing and bold.
And obviously the VMAs are just a measure of whatever's the most popular visual of the year and have nothing to do with artistry or message but still. Even if they were about anything else, girls like Kelela/Tinashe/MIA would still be passed up and we know this.
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Post by allow that on Jul 21, 2015 20:23:21 GMT -5
I HATE when artists feel entitled to nominations and whine like toddlers being told to share their toys when they don't get their way. Nicki's ego has been out of control lately and this is just her latest God complex moment. Taylor too; her "come on stage with me if I win (because I think I will tehehe)" is equally annoying. All for a music video award from a network that hasn't played a music video in years!
LOL @ Kim K getting caught up in this though.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 21, 2015 20:26:54 GMT -5
I mean obviously it's easy for people to dismiss this as just another black girl being a sore loser and pulling that always handy race card. But Nicki has spoken out about this before, the fact that she is held to a different standard and has to work 100x harder as a black female rapper just to be overlooked time and time again. The fact is that even though Bey got plenty of nominations, she (until recently) has remained the pillar of respectability. She never gets buck on Twitter, she stays in her lane to an almost startling degree and she is viciously private about her personal and political views. Until the past few years when she's finally become less concerned with industry politics, she has been the model for being pretty and non-threatening to white people. Nicki is viewed as loud, crass and slutty by a lot of people and she routinely gets overlooked and ignored (aside from her 14,000 BET Awards) while Miley (and *insert white girl here*) is viewed the same way but gets awarded, praised and constantly defended for expressing herself. Anaconda as a song is doo-doo but the video was a moment, reducing the context of the video and song to "gyrating" (which.......) is silly. To go on to reduce Nicki's words to her being a petty ass bitch about Kim/Ester/whoever is also silly. She can be a petty ass copycatting thotiana and still be right about the fact that white women of all kinds will be praised and awarded while black women have to fit into the cookie cutter GoodBlack model to get anything. It's weird to me that we're criticizing Nicki for "making this political" and not criticizing Taylor Swift's entry-level feminism that is constantly heralded as game-changing and bold. And obviously the VMAs are just a measure of whatever's the most popular visual of the year and have nothing to do with artistry or message but still. Even if they were about anything else, girls like Kelela/Tinashe/MIA would still be passed up and we know this. Yes.
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Post by allow that on Jul 21, 2015 20:42:50 GMT -5
I mean obviously it's easy for people to dismiss this as just another black girl being a sore loser and pulling that always handy race card. But Nicki has spoken out about this before, the fact that she is held to a different standard and has to work 100x harder as a black female rapper just to be overlooked time and time again. Has Nicki ever spoken out about it when it wasn't directly related to HER? I've never seen Nicki exhibit an interest on social issues or genuinely come across as caring about regular folks. Nicki's actions have always been about Nicki; she insults the female rappers who've paved her way, defies the feelings of her fans by glamorizing the Holocaust and refusing to take the video down, throws shade at veteran acts on a regular basis (including Mariah who helped her come up), and made a fool of BET by pretending she was too above following what award she was even being presented. In a nutshell, Nicki acts like her shit comes out wrapped in golden foil. I can't remember the last time she came across as humble, or better yet, as conscientious. So while I agree that there is bias in the system that shouldn't be there, I have a hard time believing that Nicki would care if this didn't affect... Nicki (didn't she diss each and every current female rapper at one point or another? But she wants to be an ambassador of politics for her "kind"? Hmmm...). This is someone who thinks she's better than you, better than me, better than her peers, better than her precursors.... and wants constant validation for being so.
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Post by maine on Jul 21, 2015 20:49:35 GMT -5
She can be a petty ass copycatting thotiana...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:01:35 GMT -5
I mean obviously it's easy for people to dismiss this as just another black girl being a sore loser and pulling that always handy race card. But Nicki has spoken out about this before, the fact that she is held to a different standard and has to work 100x harder as a black female rapper just to be overlooked time and time again. Has Nicki ever spoken out about it when it wasn't directly related to HER? I've never seen Nicki exhibit an interest on social issues or genuinely come across as caring about regular folks. Nicki's actions have always been about Nicki; she insults the female rappers who've paved her way, defies the feelings of her fans by glamorizing the Holocaust and refusing to take the video down, throws shade at veteran acts on a regular basis (including Mariah who helped her come up), and made a fool of BET by pretending she was too above following what award she was even being presented. In a nutshell, Nicki acts like her s**t comes out wrapped in golden foil. I can't remember the last time she came across as humble, or better yet, as conscientious. So while I agree that there is bias in the system that shouldn't be there, I have a hard time believing that Nicki would care if this didn't affect... Nicki (didn't she diss each and every current female rapper at one point or another? But she wants to be an ambassador of politics for her "kind"? Hmmm...). This is someone who thinks she's better than you, better than me, better than her peers, better than her precursors.... and wants constant validation for being so. I'm not saying she's the Patron Saint of Wokeness or even a nice person, but Nicki has definitely discussed her views regarding social issues, particularly what it means to be black in America. She has vocalized the discomfort in the double standard between black and white entertainers (not always when it concerned her), talked about police brutality, spoken up about how being a woman impacts how power is received, etc. I think her nebulously dissing other female rappers (the only ones that I can think that she specifically has had problems with were Iggy and Kim) is irrelevant to her stance on how female rap is received, all rappers diss other rappers to some degree. For me, regarding these issues specifically, Nicki has never come across as disingenuous or self-serving. The fact that she is bold enough to say these things knowing that this will turn her off to a lot of people is enough for me that this isn't some kind of self-serving whinging about not winning an award.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:06:43 GMT -5
How exactly does her being salty about 'Anaconda' not getting nominated mean this isn't about her? I'm not sure I follow that one when you consider the entire basis of her argument is shot with Beyoncé sitting pretty on the ballot. Her being confident in her work is one thing. Her making it a political affair (something it's not) is uncalled for and self-serving at best.
Her underlying point is fair, but she's exploiting it. That's despicable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:12:43 GMT -5
Like I said before (idk if you disagree or just didn't read it), Beyonce is the paragon of acceptable blackness. She is pretty, demure and until recently, never ruffled anyone's feathers. It's not surprising that someone with the public profile of Beyonce (beloved wife/mother/stays in ha lane) is rewarded. Nicki, in contrast, is seen as loud, hood and slutty and as such, has been routinely snubbed in a lot of ways. Even though white girls (Miley) can have the same public profile and sweep.
That's her point. It's about how black women need to fit a certain mold to get the respect of a nod at the tackiest award show on TV even with the biggest music video of 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:21:13 GMT -5
Nicki, in contrast, is seen as loud, hood and slutty and as such, has been routinely snubbed in a lot of ways. According to whom? The same conservative media who says the same things about Beyoncé? Last I checked Nicki has, is, and will continue to be lauded as another textbook example of "acceptable" blackness as far as the general public is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:28:07 GMT -5
I guess if you wanna believe that, that she hasn't been questioned, dragged and belittled even by typically liberal news outlets for pushing the envelope too much, then that's your MO.
If you really think that Nicki (pre-22 inch Indian sewin and neutral tone makeup) carried the same media respect as Beyonce and was as widely accepted by the masses, and choose not to be cognizant of the reasons why she might not have been, than that's ok.
ETA: It's also important to note that Bey has only started getting those labels thrown at her once she started embracing an image that was anything less than polite and reserved. The second she stepped out of what was considered ok by white media sources, people started critiquing her and dismantling their respect of her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 21:48:18 GMT -5
You didn't understand anything I said and put quite a few words in my mouth, but I like the edited admission that Beyoncé does in fact face criticism just like Nicki so I guess we agree there!
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jul 21, 2015 22:27:17 GMT -5
lmao lmao lmao lmao!!!
Cry me a f***ing river. Sit your entitled ass down. And who cares if it broke records? That still doesn't make it a good video.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jul 21, 2015 22:38:17 GMT -5
I disagree with Nicki and this is my problem with her. She loves to pop off about nominations and makes everything into a race or gender thing. How about QUALITY? "Anaconda" the song and video did make an impact, but it was a gimmick. She didn't do anything ground breaking or innovative, yet she feels the need to make noise over being "snubbed".
She better save this for when she has a well produced video and a well written song that doesn't include crazy voices and ass shaking.
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Post by Caviar on Jul 21, 2015 22:52:37 GMT -5
I'm loving how this Tweet was skipped over from the discussion. As much as the Tidal rollout was a mess she has a point.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 21, 2015 22:55:18 GMT -5
Tidal was shat on for looking like a cash grab by some of the richest people in the industry. They had Beyonce, who is one of the most highly regarded acts by the public, standing up front as it was launched, as well as give exclusive content. It didn't really help one bit.
Nicki makes a valid underlying point, but her examples are not good.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Jul 21, 2015 22:55:19 GMT -5
I'm loving how this Tweet was skipped over from the discussion. As much as the Tidal rollout was a mess she has a point. Which point? That Tidal was a failure because it was launched by black people?
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jul 21, 2015 22:57:37 GMT -5
I'm loving how this Tweet was skipped over from the discussion. As much as the Tidal rollout was a mess she has a point. Which point? That Tidal was a failure because it was launched by black people? You know that's exactly what she's implying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 23:08:14 GMT -5
ssx I disagree with Nicki and this is my problem with her. She loves to pop off about nominations and makes everything into a race or gender thing. How about QUALITY? "Anaconda" the song and video did make an impact, but it was a gimmick. She didn't do anything ground breaking or innovative, yet she feels the need to make noise over being "snubbed". She better save this for when she has a well produced video and a well written song that doesn't include crazy voices and ass shaking. But this is the VMAs. The whole point is just about which mainstream artist had the most popular video, not about quality. If it was anything besides a popularity contest, All Hands on Deck would win. Anaconda was definitely the video of 2014. Especially when you have Miley getting that VOTY nod from We Can't Stop because she introduced white people to twerking. To not even get a nod is basically saying "Even when you have one of the biggest music videos of the past 5 years and the biggest of the voting period, it's still not enough to qualify for this mockery of an awards show." And I don't think she's wrong about Tidal either. Idk why people were so offended by Tidal but still supported Taylor. Either hate all of them for being greedy capitalist pigs or keep it moving.
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Post by Oprah on Jul 21, 2015 23:15:01 GMT -5
Who the fuck cares about the VMAs though?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 23:18:03 GMT -5
Which point? That Tidal was a failure because it was launched by black people? You know that's exactly what she's implying. Yeah, I guess we're supposed to act like we didn't see Madonna, Patron Saint of White Pop Girls With One Octave Ranges, stretch her ass all over that table to sign on to that. I looked at the nominations again and I'm now even more befuddled at why Nicki is so pressed. She got both a female video and hip-hop video nomination; there are no other categories where she would belong other than the technical ones and anyone pretending to give a damn about those can have a seat. So basically the only thing Nicki got left out of was VOTY. She wasn't snubbed, she just didn't make the cut for what is the biggest and typically most competitive category of the show. Whether that is b/c the crowd is very strong or uniformly weak is subject to opinion, but either way it's not an easy category to crack since you have people from all genres competing for it. IF there is a valid complaint on Nicki's part, it's that MTV most likely wanted the VOTY category to be as diverse as possible, but that typically means that there's only one spot for certain 'types.' Kendrick snatched the rap slot, and Beyonce filled the r&b/"look at how great my body looks" slot. Plus, 7/11 is so heavily influenced by current hip-hop trends that it's more of an r&b/hip-hop hybrid than pure r&b. That basically made Nicki expendable - everything she had to offer with Anaconda got filled, and to better effect, by two other people of her own race and genre (and in Bey's case gender and body type). But the other three spots all went to pop artists, albeit three very different pop sounds. So here, the problem is not that black artists are overlooked completely, but that they are treated as interchangeable tokens...maybe. This assumes that one believes Nicki, Bey, and Kendrick were all among the five best videos of the year, in which case Anaconda did get the shaft (pun not intended lol); but is Anaconda really so great that we care it didn't make it in? I don't think it is, but I could at least semi-respect Nicki's butthurt disguised as her being 'woke' (this, in itself a whole other topic of foolishness) if she had presented the argument in a way that addressed the nuances, rather than making it so simplistic. Simple shit gets shot down very easily; it's harder to argue against something that sounds like you put at least as many seconds of thought as you did your feelings into it. To top it all off, you know that if she were offered a performance slot she'd take it and if she wins either of the categories she is up for, she'll be there to get her moon man and throw some more shade while going on about how she has to work so much harder for hers. If she really feels some kind of way about any racial problems with the VMAs, she should put her money where her house slippers are and stay her butt at home that night. But she won't, and that's how you know that no matter how many correct points she might have accidentally stumbled into she's full of shit.
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Post by allow that on Jul 21, 2015 23:29:19 GMT -5
Like I said before (idk if you disagree or just didn't read it), Beyonce is the paragon of acceptable blackness. She is pretty, demure and until recently, never ruffled anyone's feathers. It's not surprising that someone with the public profile of Beyonce (beloved wife/mother/stays in ha lane) is rewarded. Nicki, in contrast, is seen as loud, hood and slutty and as such, has been routinely snubbed in a lot of ways. Even though white girls (Miley) can have the same public profile and sweep. Off topic for a second but it's funny how Beyonce's good wife/mother thing is spun as a positive in some cases but as a negative in the perennial "radio is ageist!" debate. Anyway, I agree with @touch that Nicki "Super Bass" Minaj is held up as an example of "acceptable blackness" more often than not. She's a pop radio darling, counts Madonna as one of her main influences, and works nonstop with cheesy European EDM producers. Apart from out of touch Fox News pundits, I don't know that anyone sees her as hood or slutty? Her lyrics may be sexually charged, but I thought Nicki always made a clear point of separating her rap/pop persona (racy lyrics/videos) from the real life (LTR minded). I think Nicki's persona is pretty fair... in fact I'd say she has a more favorable public persona than she deserves given her rotten attitude that's been permeating more and more these days. @soblu, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems you think Nicki SHOULD be as respected as Beyonce? Counting the Destiny's Child days, Beyonce has an additional ten/eleven years of paying dues compared to Nicki, not to even touch on the quality of their artistry. I DO completely understand and agree that black women face unfair scrutiny and have to work extra hard for recognition. I guess where we don't see eye to eye is that I feel there are better examples than Nicki in terms of who's received the shortest end of the stick (Ciara's top of that list tbh). "Anaconda" was a kitsch attempt to use sex appeal to grab as many VEVO streams as possible, which it accomplished. However its concept was overplayed and its result felt more like quick fun than lasting artistry. If there were a sixth slot in that video of the year category, I can think of far more deserving videos by black women (or white women... or black men... or white men...etc) than "Anaconda." Her whole angle just feels very selfishly/superficially motivated. As for the Miley comparisons, is she even awarded and celebrated? "Wrecking Ball" was a gimmicky pop culture moment but outside of a few college twinks on Twitter is anyone holding it up as a beacon of cultural enlightenment? I think Miley was only nominated that year because it was "unexpected" from her and would be a ratings draw. But she didn't win so...
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Post by KissMyAxe on Jul 21, 2015 23:33:19 GMT -5
lol what the f**k is wrong with Nicki? why is she pulling an Iggy Azalea with all those tweets? :O Anaconda was just a video for extreme shock value and it generated some epic reaction videos and broke the streaming record at that time and THAT WAS IT !!! I can't believe that a video with these scenes below deserves a nom for VOTY tbh i find it eligible for the AVN Awards (Oscars for Porn)
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