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Post by Kishi KCM on Jul 21, 2015 23:34:19 GMT -5
^ The posts on this page are everything.
I want to root for her, but she's entitled, overexposed, and whenever things are going well, she always goes extreme with her antics. Does she make valid points? Sure, but her execution is way off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 23:36:56 GMT -5
It's not even the content that I have a problem with (let's be real here people, the other nominees aren't exactly masterpieces either) or even whether or not it, or any of them, fit into the incredibly vague concept of what is "deserving", it's just the overwhelming amount of whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Who the f**k cares about the VMAs though? That depends. Is Britney going to be there?
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Post by think pink. on Jul 21, 2015 23:38:36 GMT -5
She can have a seat about "Feeling Myself". Nobody saw that video. #TidalExclusive
But she's absolutely right about "Anaconda". What you think of the video is irrelevant. It was HUGE. Iconic. A moment like Soblu said. It most definitely deserved a video of the year nom and a win.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 23:52:10 GMT -5
@soblu, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems you think Nicki SHOULD be as respected as Beyonce? Counting the Destiny's Child days, Beyonce has an additional ten/eleven years of paying dues compared to Nicki, not to even touch on the quality of their artistry. I DO completely understand and agree that black women face unfair scrutiny and have to work extra hard for recognition. I guess where we don't see eye to eye is that I feel there are better examples than Nicki in terms of who's received the shortest end of the stick (Ciara's top of that list tbh). I wasn't sure exactly how to put it in words, and still am not sure, but I'll just say that I think that for all her selling out, Nicki has never been able to shake off a negative public perception that stems from her not fitting into a "respectable" image for female black artists. Beyonce benefits from the fact that she has only recently begun to dip out of the safe public persona she's built her career on.
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 0:07:02 GMT -5
@soblu, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems you think Nicki SHOULD be as respected as Beyonce? Counting the Destiny's Child days, Beyonce has an additional ten/eleven years of paying dues compared to Nicki, not to even touch on the quality of their artistry. I DO completely understand and agree that black women face unfair scrutiny and have to work extra hard for recognition. I guess where we don't see eye to eye is that I feel there are better examples than Nicki in terms of who's received the shortest end of the stick (Ciara's top of that list tbh). I wasn't sure exactly how to put it in words, and still am not sure, but I'll just say that I think that for all her selling out, Nicki has never been able to shake off a negative public perception that stems from her not fitting into a "respectable" image for female black artists. Beyonce benefits from the fact that she has only recently begun to dip out of the safe public persona she's built her career on. I think a lot of it has to do with attitude. Beyonce is very graceful in her interviews and is very careful not to say a negative word about anyone else. Nicki, on the hand, is notoriously defensive against her perceived competition and has been known to either throw thinly veiled shade or outright call certain people out (Kim, Iggy, Mariah, etc). I think a big part of Nicki's image issue has to do with her own snideness. Her recent BET Award acceptance speech is a great example. (And a little off topic but I couldn't help but notice that some of the few female artists that Nicki DOES seem to enjoy friendship with are Madonna and Ariana Grande, both known for their bitchy attitudes as well, and Beyonce, who also loathes her (one time) competition- just ask Cici and Keri).
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Post by pnobelysk on Jul 22, 2015 0:09:46 GMT -5
I'd be more on nickis side if she got no nominations but she got some , just not the video of the year one. In my opinion her video should have made the cut but since she got other nominations I don't think it should be a big deal.
Ps sad she doesn't do turn me on during her tour
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 0:31:16 GMT -5
She can have a seat about "Feeling Myself". Nobody saw that video. #TidalExclusive But she's absolutely right about "Anaconda". What you think of the video is irrelevant. It was HUGE. Iconic. A moment like Soblu said. It most definitely deserved a video of the year nom and a win. The problem with this is that Taylor's videos were also arguably huge and iconic. Bad Blood was launched as if it were a lead single and propelled to #1, almost entirely because of the video. If Nicki had just generally bitched about being left out of VOTY she would have still come across as whiny, but we could have imagined her video replacing any of the other nominees. If we want to go by how huge and iconic the vids are, we could argue that she should be there instead of Ed (never saw the video but it's probably safe to say it wasn't near the 'cultural' moment that Anaconda was) or Kendrick (Alright hasn't even been out an entire month yet, and really had only niche buzz at best - what IS he doing in this category, tbh?) But no, this silly nitwit came for the one person in the category who is undeniably bigger than Nicki in every way possible except for hip measurement. She came for the one person whose vids have been memed by fans just as much as Anaconda was and who had 10x more special effects, interesting camerawork, and creative premises (thus her mentions in technical categories). An argument for a nom? Ok, sure. An argument for a nom over Taylor? No, and that's where Nicki is losing people. She tried to come for the one person sitting at the top of the mountain and her arms are too short to box with God right now. And really it's just petty. Taylor's feminist shtick felt tired when she pulled it out for this one, but it is rather glaring that of all the people Nicki could have come for she chose to pick on the one white chick in the whole bunch instead of questioning the patriarchy as well as the racism.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 22, 2015 0:35:47 GMT -5
lol what the f**k is wrong with Nicki? why is she pulling an Iggy Azalea with all those tweets? :O Anaconda was just a video for extreme shock value and it generated some epic reaction videos and broke the streaming record at that time and THAT WAS IT !!! I can't believe that a video with these scenes below deserves a nom for VOTY tbh i find it eligible for the AVN Awards (Oscars for Porn) Because this happened last year?
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 22, 2015 0:43:21 GMT -5
@ everyone behind her.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2015 0:52:12 GMT -5
@ everyone behind her. They all were expecting something wild at the exact moment.
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Post by Mic Technique on Jul 22, 2015 1:45:33 GMT -5
It's weird to me that we're criticizing Nicki for "making this political" and not criticizing Taylor Swift's entry-level feminism that is constantly heralded as game-changing and bold. For the love of God, quote me or @ me. You do this all the time. I don't care about Taylor Swift, I liken her feminism to Nicki's—albeit suited to different audiences—and I certainly don't think she's game changing or bold. I chose to clarify that Nicki instigated this and when the odds were stacked against her, she flipped the script. Wisely, too, because that gloss of CRT applied to just about anything now is an impenetrable justification for a generation that uses divisive identity politics as a tool for self-gratification. What she did was opportunistic, plain and simple. It's like, I just smacked a baby in the face but I'm not really wrong when I insist that tomorrow is Wednesday. reducing the context of the video and song to "gyrating" (which.......) is silly. Which what? It's a pop song by a pop artist who repackaged stock hip-hop videos of the last 25 years or BET Uncut for a new generation. Sure, she's doing it on her "own terms" but like bell hooks said, this shit is boring and meaningless. Hence GYRATION. Which, yes. It is. Either hate all of them for being greedy capitalist pigs or keep it moving. I think I've said this verbatim in the past. Funny how this happens from time to time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 2:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by wavey. on Jul 22, 2015 6:48:32 GMT -5
Apparently, she was filming a video during all this mess.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Jul 22, 2015 9:44:21 GMT -5
Oh Ryan that video is even worse than Anaconda and definitely didn't deserve to win VOTY but let's face it its impact was way bigger than Anaconda's
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Post by Caviar on Jul 22, 2015 10:00:59 GMT -5
Because she's a white pop star
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Post by QAF on Jul 22, 2015 10:10:43 GMT -5
I really don't thing race has anything to do with it. It was more about it being trash.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 22, 2015 10:41:13 GMT -5
If we're gonna argue that Anaconda should've been nominated cause it was the most viewed video of 2014, then Gangnam Style should've been nominated in 2013 for video of the year but obviously that didn't happen. It's about quality of the video, not quantity of views, parodies, etc.
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 10:53:35 GMT -5
Because she's a white pop star Taylor's definitely been afforded some extra niceties due to her white girl next door image, but at the same time I think it's unfair to completely brush off her talent and success (and this is coming from someone who only likes... one song in her catalog). She appeals to multiple generations and audiences, actively engages her fans, basically never stops for rest, carefully curates her public persona, only releases sing-along ready singles, and has showcased gradual improvement in her songwriting over time while still ensuring her lyrics are relatable. She may not be my cup of tea, but she's talented. It's quite easy to trace the steps and see why her status is at the level it is today (it didn't happen overnight either). I think acts like Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, etc who have no talent and no business entering a recording studio but get radio's immediate attention are better examples of privilege inflating careers. I also think we're beginning to fall into a dangerous spiral when we automatically question the accomplishments of every popular white act as the direct result of racial favoritism. There are definitely clear cut cases of it like Iggy and Mackelmore. But there are also acts that have raw talent and employ wise business decisions that are successful for those reasons, but get called out for privilege regardless. And Nicki is definitely afforded many privileges too. Let's take that crap "The Night Is Still Young" for example. Dated, generic, 2010 form of dancepop that radio hasn't touched since early 2012 but they rush to give it immediate interest because it's Nicki. You're telling me if a new act put out that song- black, white, Hispanic, or Asian- radio would have given it the time of day? Please!
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Post by cufan7 on Jul 22, 2015 11:04:39 GMT -5
If we're gonna argue that Anaconda should've been nominated cause it was the most viewed video of 2014, then Gangnam Style should've been nominated in 2013 for video of the year but obviously that didn't happen. It's about quality of the video, not quantity of views, parodies, etc. I get that it should be about quality... but I don't remember seeing too many people raving about the "Bad Blood" video ("Blank Space" would have been a different story). IMO, "Bad Blood" with all it's (brief / needless) guest appearances is just as gimmicky (yet, definitely more classy) than all dat ass in "Anaconda".
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 22, 2015 11:46:59 GMT -5
All of this pouting and whining over a VMA is beyond me.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 22, 2015 11:48:17 GMT -5
All of this pouting and whining over a VMA is beyond me. I just want some more album acknowledgement. I thought they planned on pushing " Favorite".
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 22, 2015 12:56:32 GMT -5
Who would have thought there would be so many valid statements being made in a Nicki thread
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Post by ILLUSION on Jul 22, 2015 15:41:26 GMT -5
MESS.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Jul 22, 2015 16:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by allow that on Jul 22, 2015 16:51:11 GMT -5
Cheers for the issue getting the attention it deserves. Jeers for it taking Nicki's self serving ass (literally and figuratively) to swoop in and take the credit for it.
Also, I didn't realize it but the video for "Bitch Better Have My Money" WAS released during the eligibility period (the last day of it to be exact). Now if we want to talk about a deserving video from a high profile black female that was snubbed...
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Post by wavey. on Jul 22, 2015 16:58:05 GMT -5
Cheers for the issue getting the attention it deserves. Jeers for it taking Nicki's self serving ass (literally and figuratively) to swoop in and take the credit for it. Also, I didn't realize it but the video for "Bitch Better Have My Money" WAS released during the eligibility period (the last day of it to be exact). Now if we want to talk about a deserving video from a high profile black female that was snubbed... I wholeheartedly agree on that. Shit was a movie, and it served some ass shots.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jul 22, 2015 17:02:50 GMT -5
LOL. I miss the 90's.
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Post by Keelzit on Jul 22, 2015 18:01:28 GMT -5
Toxic should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Blurred Lines and/or Wrecking Ball. Neither the song nor the video. That single changed the pop stratosphere forever and deserved every bit of success it got. Also, how can Nicki say 'I have nothing but love for MTV' when MTV is part of the system she has so many issues with. She's right in everything she's pointed out but there's no need for her to save face. What is she afraid of anyway? Of not ever being nominated for a VMA again or not being invited to perform from now on? No established artist needs the VMAs to prove anything. The VMAs have lost their credibility a long time ago and nowadays it feels like the USA equivalent of Eurovision; an irrelevant annual TV freakshow.
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Post by EPG on Jul 22, 2015 18:20:54 GMT -5
I get your point, but Eurovision is far from irrelevant.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jul 22, 2015 18:26:49 GMT -5
I like that these 3 ladies are on the K-Z Artists thread. I personally find it convenient.
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