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Post by baltized on Jul 8, 2020 18:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 8, 2020 19:09:46 GMT -5
The article says that they are just suing for the right to get to use the name in addition to her, and they are not trying to prevent the original Lady A from using the name or seek any money from her. Sooooo, it's not quite as bad as the headlines make it sound. Still, this makes for TERRIBLE optics
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jul 8, 2020 19:14:22 GMT -5
Not knowing much on how this all works, going by "LadyA" or "Lady-A" instead of "Lady A" fix the problem legally?
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Post by fisherwoodcu on Jul 8, 2020 19:17:54 GMT -5
Not knowing much on how this all works, going by "LadyA" or "Lady-A" instead of "Lady A" fix the problem legally? I thought they already came to an agreement that they both were going to use it and then after the fact the band was sued for ten million. I’m not sure changing to those options would do anything.
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Post by seak05 on Jul 8, 2020 19:29:49 GMT -5
Not knowing much on how this all works, going by "LadyA" or "Lady-A" instead of "Lady A" fix the problem legally? I thought they already came to an agreement that they both were going to use it and then after the fact the band was sued for ten million. I’m not sure changing to those options would do anything. They weren't sued, she asked for it as part of the agreement
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Post by fisherwoodcu on Jul 8, 2020 19:32:57 GMT -5
I thought they already came to an agreement that they both were going to use it and then after the fact the band was sued for ten million. I’m not sure changing to those options would do anything. They weren't sued, she asked for it as part of the agreement Ok I didn’t realize that it wasn’t officially suing. So then wouldn’t they then have the right to just ignore that part of the agreement since they have the trademark? This situation is messed up big time.
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Post by seak05 on Jul 8, 2020 20:56:40 GMT -5
They weren't sued, she asked for it as part of the agreement Ok I didn’t realize that it wasn’t officially suing. So then wouldn’t they then have the right to just ignore that part of the agreement since they have the trademark? This situation is messed up big time. It seems as if Lady A sued, to prevent her from suing, because they thought she was planning to sue. From a PR perspective, they'd have been far better off waiting for her to sue, and then being the respondent. I have no idea how that would help or hurt them legally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:28:15 GMT -5
They should go for Lady Ant and be done with it lol
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Jul 9, 2020 17:37:22 GMT -5
They should go for Lady Ant and be done with it lol 🐜🐜🐜
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Post by mamasaid on Jul 9, 2020 21:44:59 GMT -5
Absolutely broken hearted over this. I saw him perform several times up to last summer...he was amazing.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 10, 2020 16:16:33 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done.
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Post by taylor on Jul 10, 2020 16:27:07 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. It is the farthest thing from stupid. The words "Antebellum" and "Dixie" both have dark histories connected to racism and slavery, and hold very painful memories for a lot of people. Lady A and The Chicks don't want to be associated with those words for those reasons, and want people to know they are on the right side of history. This is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing by changing their names and removing those words. If it's silly to you, I would do some deep reflecting as to why.
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Post by taylor on Jul 10, 2020 16:33:20 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done.Apologies for the double post. I couldn't agree more. We need to educate ourselves and commit to change. And what's extremely important is that we need to have some long, hard discussions. It's uncomfortable, but that's the point. We need to change our vocabularies, our ways of thinking, and we need to do some deep reflections.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:01:11 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. It is the farthest thing from stupid. The words "Antebellum" and "Dixie" both have dark histories connected to racism and slavery, and hold very painful memories for a lot of people. Lady A and The Chicks don't want to be associated with those words for those reasons, and want people to know they are on the right side of history. This is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing by changing their names and removing those words. If it's silly to you, I would do some deep reflecting as to why. Stupid and silly were the wrong choice of words to use. My problem with this is that they were known by these names for a long time and I never heard anyone say anything about their names being inappropriate. I 100% agree that we are in a time when we need to address racism head on but I also feel that things like this hurt the movement because lady a & the chicks intent were never racist. This to me is like removing “Gone with the wind” from tv, some people that are sympathetic to our cause will look at this and think yes it’s silly and is going to far. I mean no offense to anyone and sorry to anyone I may have offended. I love talking music with everyone on here.
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Post by liza on Jul 10, 2020 20:20:20 GMT -5
It is the farthest thing from stupid. The words "Antebellum" and "Dixie" both have dark histories connected to racism and slavery, and hold very painful memories for a lot of people. Lady A and The Chicks don't want to be associated with those words for those reasons, and want people to know they are on the right side of history. This is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing by changing their names and removing those words. If it's silly to you, I would do some deep reflecting as to why. Stupid and silly were the wrong choice of words to use. My problem with this is that they were known by these names for a long time and I never heard anyone say anything about their names being inappropriate. I 100% agree that we are in a time when we need to address racism head on but I also feel that things like this hurt the movement because lady a & the chicks intent were never racist. This to me is like removing “Gone with the wind” from tv, some people that are sympathetic to our cause will look at this and think yes it’s silly and is going to far. I mean no offense to anyone and sorry to anyone I may have offended. I love talking music with everyone on here. I used to teach classes for sexual harassment awareness. The concept that had the most impact was the understanding that what is important under the law is the impact, not the intent. For example, a man may not mean any harm when he tells an off color joke to a woman in the workplace or puts his arm around her, etc. But if the impact is that it makes her uncomfortable, makes her cringe inside, makes her dread coming to work, etc. then it can create a hostile work environment. So, we said, just don't do it. I think they had a moment of awareness that their band names reflected a time that creates a negative impact for some in real time. And good for them.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 10, 2020 20:52:44 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done. The thread was locked because it turned into a circular argument with no real end in sight. Yes, it is important to call out racist posts, but it ended the way it did because it was drug out with little purpose other than to feed a troll, which is against the rules. The best way to deal with posters doing problematic and racist things is to alert staff using the report button. Idk if anyone else did, but I know that I reported several posts, and all "punishment" is done behind the scenes privately. To say that the poster wasn't dealt any repercussions is false; we just don't know unless they post it publicly, and I don't think issuing warnings publicly is necessary. Staff has to deliberate over the proper course of action as a team, and locking the thread seemed like a justifiable move to me on sabre14's part seeing as the discussion was 100% off-topic and no one was changing the poster's opinion by continuing to address her and pile on. This is also not a country forum thing as this is the standard protocol across the whole forum, as well.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 10, 2020 21:09:39 GMT -5
Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done. The thread was locked because it turned into a circular argument with no real end in sight. Yes, it is important to call out racist posts, but it ended the way it did because it was drug out with little purpose other than to feed a troll, which is against the rules. The best way to deal with posters doing problematic and racist things is to alert staff using the report button. Idk if anyone else did, but I know that I reported several posts, and all "punishment" is done behind the scenes privately. To say that the poster wasn't dealt any repercussions is false; we just don't know unless they post it publicly, and I don't think issuing warnings publicly is necessary. Staff has to deliberate over the proper course of action as a team, and locking the thread seemed like a justifiable move to me on sabre14's part seeing as the discussion was 100% off-topic and no one was changing the poster's opinion by continuing to address her and pile on. This is also not a country forum thing as this is the standard protocol across the whole forum, as well. I politely disagree 100%. I will also state I have the upmost respect for all MODs and staff here. What they do is hard work with little to no thanks. They do it so we can have a forum to talk about music. And for that, I am grateful. However, this isn't a, "troll." I consider a troll someone who wants to debate why Carrie Underwood is better than Miranda Lambert over and over. Or petty things like this. When posters make comments that are clearly racist (they even said, "call me racist, I don't care") I am not going to sit back. I am not going to simply notify someone. I am going to speak up. And I think everyone who is not racist needs to as well - or in my eyes you're just as bad. .indulgecountry you are one of my favorite posters on here and one of the best in all of Pulse, so this isn't personal. But me responding to racist posts are not, "feeding the troll." It's standing up to hatred. I agree with you on how discipline is handled (meaning we don't know so I shouldn't have said nothing happened). But I belong to other forums where even half of what this poster said would get them banned. The fact that they have been posting all week means not much happened. I just would have liked the MODs to open the thread and say the racist behavior would not be tolerated.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 10, 2020 21:13:31 GMT -5
All this is just stupid. There is nothing wrong with Antebellum or Dixie. It’s silly. Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done. The “I Hope” thread was locked because it derailed the thread two pages with posts that were deemed out of line and went off topic from the single and Gabby Barrett. In no way was it locked because were trying to stay away from racism or other important issues. That’s utterly ridiculous. There are threads to discuss politics and racial injustice on Pulse. The “I Hope” thread is to discuss just that — “I Hope.” That’s not to say certain posts about that aren’t allowed in certain discussions but that thread needed to be locked because of multiple posts that were inappropriate — and if it wasn’t myself, one of the other staff members would have locked it. I know you have been told this before, but any post reported is looked at and discussed in depth by staff members. I can assure you “multiple” posts from that thread will be dealt with (or have been dealt with already). It’s fine if you didn’t see anything wrong with certain posts from that thread but judging by the countless reports and requests to lock that thread, others did. Posts in that thread that were reported and are racist in nature will and have been punished.
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Post by taylor on Jul 10, 2020 21:16:29 GMT -5
It is the farthest thing from stupid. The words "Antebellum" and "Dixie" both have dark histories connected to racism and slavery, and hold very painful memories for a lot of people. Lady A and The Chicks don't want to be associated with those words for those reasons, and want people to know they are on the right side of history. This is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing by changing their names and removing those words. If it's silly to you, I would do some deep reflecting as to why. Stupid and silly were the wrong choice of words to use. My problem with this is that they were known by these names for a long time and I never heard anyone say anything about their names being inappropriate. I 100% agree that we are in a time when we need to address racism head on but I also feel that things like this hurt the movement because lady a & the chicks intent were never racist. This to me is like removing “Gone with the wind” from tv, some people that are sympathetic to our cause will look at this and think yes it’s silly and is going to far. I mean no offense to anyone and sorry to anyone I may have offended. I love talking music with everyone on here. The thing is though that intent doesn't matter. It's the impact. If you were to say the word "tranny" for instance (I'm transgender, so I can say that word) even as a joke, I would still take extreme offense to it because when people who aren't transgender say that word, it carries painful memories of transgender people being called that word negatively our entire lives. When I say that word, I say it positively so as to reclaim its power. But if you're not transgender, you have no place saying that word. The same applies to the n word. I'm white, and thus have no place saying that word as white people have used that word as a weapon against people of color for centuries. It also applies to the f and d slurs. I'm trans, but I'm not gay or lesbian, so I have no place saying those words as straight people have used those words as weapons for decades.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 10, 2020 21:20:35 GMT -5
Yes there is. Maybe not for you. But for others there are. And that is what Lady A and The Chicks are doing. They are doing it because while it may not harm them - or even others close to them, there are people it bothers. I know, it might sound crazy but some people actually do things to benefit others. I know we try to stay away from drama, but I am very concerned about how the country forum seems to not address racist posts. We had a whole issue with a post last week (In Gaby Barret's thread) and all that happened was the thread was locked. No punishment for the racist comments, no issue from a MOD saying posts like this won't be allowed here. This is something that should not be taken up in PM. This should be a conversation that is held for all to see. It's uncomfortable, I get it. But something needs to be done. The “I Hope” thread was locked because it derailed the thread two pages with posts that were deemed out of line and went off topic from the single and Gabby Barrett. In no way was it locked because were trying to stay away from racism or other important issues. That’s utterly ridiculous. There are threads to discuss politics and racial injustice on Pulse. The “I Hope” thread is to discuss just that — “I Hope.” That’s not to say certain posts about that aren’t allowed in certain discussions but that thread needed to be locked because of multiple posts that were inappropriate — and if it wasn’t myself, one of the other staff members would have locked it. I know you have been told this before, but any post reported is looked at and discussed in depth by staff members. I can assure you “multiple” posts from that thread will be dealt with (or have been dealt with already). It’s fine if you didn’t see anything wrong with certain posts from that thread but judging by the countless reports and requests to lock that thread, others did. Posts in that thread that were reported and are racist in nature will and have been punished. I never said the thread was locked to avoid racist comments. NEVER. Please edit your post. All I said was racist posts happened. Nothing happened to say the racist posts were wrong. The only thing that was done was the thread was locked. And I feel like I did it in a very polite, non confrontation way. I know this isn't comfortable ( taylor agrees with me that this won't be an easy conversation). But this is an amazing group of smart, kind, caring people. Who can deal with it. Edit: I also know what you're hinting at when you keep saying, "multiple" posts will be looked at. I know you're referring to my posts calling out hatred. If you punish me or others for calling out racist comments I feel like that is a whole other conversation.
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 10, 2020 21:29:49 GMT -5
Stupid and silly were the wrong choice of words to use. My problem with this is that they were known by these names for a long time and I never heard anyone say anything about their names being inappropriate. I 100% agree that we are in a time when we need to address racism head on but I also feel that things like this hurt the movement because lady a & the chicks intent were never racist. This to me is like removing “Gone with the wind” from tv, some people that are sympathetic to our cause will look at this and think yes it’s silly and is going to far. I mean no offense to anyone and sorry to anyone I may have offended. I love talking music with everyone on here. The thing is though that intent doesn't matter. It's the impact. If you were to say the word "tranny" for instance (I'm transgender, so I can say that word) even as a joke, I would still take extreme offense to it because when people who aren't transgender say that word, it carries painful memories of transgender people being called that word negatively our entire lives. When I say that word, I say it positively so as to reclaim its power. But if you're not transgender, you have no place saying that word. The same applies to the n word. I'm white, and thus have no place saying that word as white people have used that word as a weapon against people of color for centuries. It also applies to the f and d slurs. I'm trans, but I'm not gay or lesbian, so I have no place saying those words as straight people have used those words as weapons for decades. To play devil's advocate though, Dixie and Antebellum are words that refer to a time period and location and evoke memories of things that might have been happening in said location at said time period. It is not at all the same thing as a derogatory slur directed at somebody for the way they live their lives. Like, if they were the "Tr***y Chicks" leading up to this, that would have been a WHOLE different issue... Your point is definitely true that it is all about the impact of the words rather than the intent. But something like "Antebellum" will have a much wider array of connotations for different people than a direct personal slur like the n-word would. You can kind of understand where somebody might not know the racist connotations of "Antebellum" just because of how much our history curriculum sucks, and think it is a bit ridiculous to drop that word from the band title. Such people can be educated and have their mind changed. Whereas people who use direct personal slurs are just plain trash.
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 10, 2020 21:38:03 GMT -5
The “I Hope” thread was locked because it derailed the thread two pages with posts that were deemed out of line and went off topic from the single and Gabby Barrett. In no way was it locked because were trying to stay away from racism or other important issues. That’s utterly ridiculous. There are threads to discuss politics and racial injustice on Pulse. The “I Hope” thread is to discuss just that — “I Hope.” That’s not to say certain posts about that aren’t allowed in certain discussions but that thread needed to be locked because of multiple posts that were inappropriate — and if it wasn’t myself, one of the other staff members would have locked it. I know you have been told this before, but any post reported is looked at and discussed in depth by staff members. I can assure you “multiple” posts from that thread will be dealt with (or have been dealt with already). It’s fine if you didn’t see anything wrong with certain posts from that thread but judging by the countless reports and requests to lock that thread, others did. Posts in that thread that were reported and are racist in nature will and have been punished. I never said the thread was locked to avoid racist comments. NEVER. Please edit your post. All I said was racist posts happened. Nothing happened to say the racist posts were wrong. The only thing that was done was the thread was locked. And I feel like I did it in a very polite, non confrontation way. I know this isn't comfortable ( taylor agrees with me that this won't be an easy conversation). But this is an amazing group of smart, kind, caring people. Who can deal with it. Edit: I also know what you're hinting at when you keep saying, "multiple" posts will be looked at. I know you're referring to my posts calling out hatred. If you punish me or others for calling out racist comments I feel like that is a whole other conversation. You do realize that Jessy had multiple posts in the thread though... Why are you trying to act victimized all of a sudden?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 10, 2020 21:38:38 GMT -5
However, this isn't a, "troll." I consider a troll someone who wants to debate why Carrie Underwood is better than Miranda Lambert over and over. Or petty things like this. When posters make comments that are clearly racist (they even said, "call me racist, I don't care") I am not going to sit back. I am not going to simply notify someone. I am going to speak up. And I think everyone who is not racist needs to as well - or in my eyes you're just as bad. .indulgecountry you are one of my favorite posters on here and one of the best in all of Pulse, so this isn't personal. But me responding to racist posts are not, "feeding the troll." It's standing up to hatred. That's just the thing though, at the point in bolded, you were talking to a "troll" because there wasn't anything that was going to change by continuing a conversation with her. The point was made several times over, by a half dozen or more different posters, over the course of 2+ pages of content. The thread as it was going could've gone on for hours more if it hadn't been locked and the end result would've been the same. I guarantee you that if she continues to make posts like that, she won't last long on the forum. You know that I'm not one to shy away from public confrontation on the forum, lol, but it was pretty clear early on that the discussion was just not worth all the rehashing and dog-piling to continue because she wasn't worth it. She's definitely gonna face consequences for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 21:42:40 GMT -5
Stupid and silly were the wrong choice of words to use. My problem with this is that they were known by these names for a long time and I never heard anyone say anything about their names being inappropriate. I 100% agree that we are in a time when we need to address racism head on but I also feel that things like this hurt the movement because lady a & the chicks intent were never racist. This to me is like removing “Gone with the wind” from tv, some people that are sympathetic to our cause will look at this and think yes it’s silly and is going to far. I mean no offense to anyone and sorry to anyone I may have offended. I love talking music with everyone on here. The thing is though that intent doesn't matter. It's the impact. If you were to say the word "tranny" for instance (I'm transgender, so I can say that word) even as a joke, I would still take extreme offense to it because when people who aren't transgender say that word, it carries painful memories of transgender people being called that word negatively our entire lives. When I say that word, I say it positively so as to reclaim its power. But if you're not transgender, you have no place saying that word. The same applies to the n word. I'm white, and thus have no place saying that word as white people have used that word as a weapon against people of color for centuries. It also applies to the f and d slurs. I'm trans, but I'm not gay or lesbian, so I have no place saying those words as straight people have used those words as weapons for decades. But those words that you said are all slurs and are directed to hurt the intended person. The words Antebellum & Dixie are not directed at someone they are a word that to most people were acceptable 2 months ago. Should “Dixieland Delight” be banned from country radio? Shenandoah, Confederate railroad.....I understand that today these things are controversial but it’s not fair to judge people on what’s acceptable today like they should have known better then. Learn from our mistakes and grow but don’t act like it never existed. We are doing things right now that we think are ok that people will cringe at 30 years from now. We never stop learning and getting better.
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Post by liza on Jul 10, 2020 21:48:17 GMT -5
The thing is though that intent doesn't matter. It's the impact. If you were to say the word "tranny" for instance (I'm transgender, so I can say that word) even as a joke, I would still take extreme offense to it because when people who aren't transgender say that word, it carries painful memories of transgender people being called that word negatively our entire lives. When I say that word, I say it positively so as to reclaim its power. But if you're not transgender, you have no place saying that word. The same applies to the n word. I'm white, and thus have no place saying that word as white people have used that word as a weapon against people of color for centuries. It also applies to the f and d slurs. I'm trans, but I'm not gay or lesbian, so I have no place saying those words as straight people have used those words as weapons for decades. But those words that you said are all slurs and are directed to hurt the intended person. The words Antebellum & Dixie are not directed at someone they are a word that to most people were acceptable 2 months ago. Should “Dixieland Delight” be banned from country radio? Shenandoah, Confederate railroad.....I understand that today these things are controversial but it’s not fair to judge people on what’s acceptable today like they should have known better then. Learn from our mistakes and grow but don’t act like it never existed. We are doing things right now that we think are ok that people will cringe at 30 years from now. We never stop learning and getting better. No one forced them to change their names. If that's what they felt was the right thing to do, they should do it. It's their group names. They didn't ban the words from the dictionary.
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Post by liza on Jul 10, 2020 21:49:43 GMT -5
However, this isn't a, "troll." I consider a troll someone who wants to debate why Carrie Underwood is better than Miranda Lambert over and over. Or petty things like this. When posters make comments that are clearly racist (they even said, "call me racist, I don't care") I am not going to sit back. I am not going to simply notify someone. I am going to speak up. And I think everyone who is not racist needs to as well - or in my eyes you're just as bad. .indulgecountry you are one of my favorite posters on here and one of the best in all of Pulse, so this isn't personal. But me responding to racist posts are not, "feeding the troll." It's standing up to hatred. That's just the thing though, at the point in bolded, you were talking to a "troll" because there wasn't anything that was going to change by continuing a conversation with her. The point was made several times over, by a half dozen or more different posters, over the course of 2+ pages of content. The thread as it was going could've gone on for hours more if it hadn't been locked and the end result would've been the same. I guarantee you that if she continues to make posts like that, she won't last long on the forum. You know that I'm not one to shy away from public confrontation on the forum, lol, but it was pretty clear early on that the discussion was just not worth all the rehashing and dog-piling to continue because she wasn't worth it. She's definitely gonna face consequences for sure. Thank you for this. Matty005's efforts are from the right place.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 10, 2020 22:05:44 GMT -5
However, this isn't a, "troll." I consider a troll someone who wants to debate why Carrie Underwood is better than Miranda Lambert over and over. Or petty things like this. When posters make comments that are clearly racist (they even said, "call me racist, I don't care") I am not going to sit back. I am not going to simply notify someone. I am going to speak up. And I think everyone who is not racist needs to as well - or in my eyes you're just as bad. .indulgecountry you are one of my favorite posters on here and one of the best in all of Pulse, so this isn't personal. But me responding to racist posts are not, "feeding the troll." It's standing up to hatred. That's just the thing though, at the point in bolded, you were talking to a "troll" because there wasn't anything that was going to change by continuing a conversation with her. The point was made several times over, by a half dozen or more different posters, over the course of 2+ pages of content. The thread as it was going could've gone on for hours more if it hadn't been locked and the end result would've been the same. I guarantee you that if she continues to make posts like that, she won't last long on the forum. You know that I'm not one to shy away from public confrontation on the forum, lol, but it was pretty clear early on that the discussion was just not worth all the rehashing and dog-piling to continue because she wasn't worth it. She's definitely gonna face consequences for sure. This makes sense. I guess my complaint was more along the lines of I wanted someone of higher authority to make a stand. And maybe they will. My apologies for derailing this thread. I am just very upset the way this country is going and wanted to do the smallest part ever of at least calling out awful remarks here. And bboat11 I am not playing a victim at all. I may have jumped the gun and for that I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 12:56:50 GMT -5
I think that even if the problematic posts were dealt with, just doing everything under wraps is not the right thing to do. There needs to be some clear position stating racist posts are not going to be tolerated. The way things seem to be, maybe this happened, but since it hasn't been showcased as such, that's where the confusion of "what happened here?" stems from.
I don't know if I am being clear... let's say someone murders my family, so police send the murderers to jail, but they don't tell anyone why they were jailed, or even tell anyone they sent them there. There needs to be an addressing of the situation, to make thing crystal clear that regardless of rules broken, something as awful as racism is not tolerated.
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Post by slowmo on Jul 11, 2020 17:43:11 GMT -5
The list keeps on growing. :/
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Post by fisherwoodcu on Jul 11, 2020 18:14:51 GMT -5
Holy cow...I don’t remember a time period in which there have been so many notable divorces in such a short period of time. I’m assuming they’re divorcing and not just separating when they state “uncouple.”
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