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Post by davidcountry on Nov 8, 2020 19:52:11 GMT -5
Because (as whiskey riff points out) unsanctioned crowds, and organized concerts are definitely the same That said a growing body of evidence seems to suggest, consistently moving, outdoor, masked crowds, don't turn into super-spreader events. At concerts though, even outdoor ones, individuals tend to stay in relatively in one spot. Plus as we've already seen country crowds seem to be allergic to mask wearing, and they'd have to forgo drinking. The country is currently experiencing a massive surge with over 100,000 cases a day and increases in hospitalizations....but sure lets bring back packed concerts. They're right though, that people in the music industry are hurting, maybe instead of complaining to be able to host a concert and disregard other's health, they should be pushing their senators for another federal relief bill, so that people can remain safe, and feed their families. Several artists like Brett Kissel hold out door concerts in drive in theaters. The concert goers drive in their cars, get the movie speakers and watch Brett on stage as live shots of Brett and band showing live on the giat movie screens. Those types of artists made money. Others do live streaming concerts online to make money. Casey Donahew, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the lead singer of REO Speedwagon been doing this. Of course the lead singer's last ame is Corona from REO. Even Granger Smith doing live streaming concerts. If these artists do not know how to earn money in a pandemic? They should not be in the music business. The older vets in the music business seemed to be smarter,.
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Post by recordyear on Nov 8, 2020 20:04:49 GMT -5
And selling masks as merchandise would be a good way to make money for the artists. I don't think any artists would take the risk of fans contracting COVID-19 due to possible flawed masks.
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Post by gardyfan on Nov 8, 2020 21:18:37 GMT -5
Because (as whiskey riff points out) unsanctioned crowds, and organized concerts are definitely the same That said a growing body of evidence seems to suggest, consistently moving, outdoor, masked crowds, don't turn into super-spreader events. At concerts though, even outdoor ones, individuals tend to stay in relatively in one spot. Plus as we've already seen country crowds seem to be allergic to mask wearing, and they'd have to forgo drinking. The country is currently experiencing a massive surge with over 100,000 cases a day and increases in hospitalizations....but sure lets bring back packed concerts. They're right though, that people in the music industry are hurting, maybe instead of complaining to be able to host a concert and disregard other's health, they should be pushing their senators for another federal relief bill, so that people can remain safe, and feed their families. Several artists like Brett Kissel hold out door concerts in drive in theaters. The concert goers drive in their cars, get the movie speakers and watch Brett on stage as live shots of Brett and band showing live on the giat movie screens. Those types of artists made money. Others do live streaming concerts online to make money. Casey Donahew, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the lead singer of REO Speedwagon been doing this. Of course the lead singer's last ame is Corona from REO. Even Granger Smith doing live streaming concerts. If these artists do not know how to earn money in a pandemic? They should not be in the music business. The older vets in the music business seemed to be smarter,. This is the most absurd thing you have ever said. And you've said a lot of crap. As far as outdoor drive in shows go how is a state like Minnesota supposed to have them in the winter? Or even the rest of the year when the entire state has 6 drive in theaters? Also a drive in concert is not the same as going to a show. In no way should I be expected to pay the same for a video show as a live show.
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Post by vamp111 on Nov 8, 2020 21:28:22 GMT -5
I think there is a way to safely bring back concerts. Have it outside if possible. IF that is not possible, then have it indoors in reduced capacity. Have temperature checks at the door. Its better than nothing. Its not just the artists, but its also the crew members who are hurting. We don't know when a vaccine will come, if at all. We can't bank these artists livings on a vaccine that could take years to arrive.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 8, 2020 21:56:35 GMT -5
We can't bank these artists livings lives Fixed it for you. FTR I think we should have a stimulus, that said, other jobs exist, people don't come back to life, lung and heart damage don't always go away. And if you choose to go to a concert, you put everyone you come into close contact with for two weeks afterwards at risk too...and they didn't choose to go to a concert. I think there are ways to safely bring back concerts, and people are doing it. They are having live (not watching videos) concerts in parking lots, and at drive-in theatres, and being creative about venues. The UK put on a concert where each group got their own little socially distanced pod. They key for all of these things though is that they are outside. Everything we know about covid tells us inside concerts aren't safe, and so in Minn in the winter, you might not get to have concerts until we have a vaccine (also Minn seem to do things outdoors all winter). Being able to have a concert shouldn't be the priority, safety should be, and if you can have a safe concert go for it...but not the other way around. By the way, here's what that UK concert looked like www.cnn.com/travel/article/social-distanced-music-festival-intl-scli-gbr/index.html(and if they really wanted to return to touring, maybe they should have voted for the Presidential ticket that actually thinks we should have a plan to deal with it)
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 9, 2020 1:59:37 GMT -5
Several artists like Brett Kissel hold out door concerts in drive in theaters. The concert goers drive in their cars, get the movie speakers and watch Brett on stage as live shots of Brett and band showing live on the giat movie screens. Those types of artists made money. Others do live streaming concerts online to make money. Casey Donahew, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the lead singer of REO Speedwagon been doing this. Of course the lead singer's last ame is Corona from REO. Even Granger Smith doing live streaming concerts. If these artists do not know how to earn money in a pandemic? They should not be in the music business. The older vets in the music business seemed to be smarter,. This is the most absurd thing you have ever said. And you've said a lot of crap. As far as outdoor drive in shows go how is a state like Minnesota supposed to have them in the winter? Or even the rest of the year when the entire state has 6 drive in theaters? Also a drive in concert is not the same as going to a show. In no way should I be expected to pay the same for a video show as a live show. It is a live show that he does in Canada. It is a regular concert, but the movie screens act like those Jumbotrons at regular concerts. www.billboard.com/articles/news/concerts/9379646/drive-in-concerts-list-coronavirusYou could tell that drive concerts do work. The second photo shows a drive in movie theater holding a concert. This is what I am talking about. If Morgan and the others complain and not do what others have done? It is their own fault. Thisis the safest way to do this right now.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Nov 9, 2020 2:11:05 GMT -5
This is the most absurd thing you have ever said. And you've said a lot of crap. As far as outdoor drive in shows go how is a state like Minnesota supposed to have them in the winter? Or even the rest of the year when the entire state has 6 drive in theaters? Also a drive in concert is not the same as going to a show. In no way should I be expected to pay the same for a video show as a live show. It is a live show that he does in Canada. It is a regular concert, but the movie screens act like those Jumbotrons at regular concerts. www.billboard.com/articles/news/concerts/9379646/drive-in-concerts-list-coronavirusYou could tell that drive concerts do work. The second photo shows a drive in movie theater holding a concert. This is what I am talking about. If Morgan and the others complain and not do what others have done? It is their own fault. Thisis the safest way to do this right now. And you think the newer artist have the type of money to afford to put on these type of shows and draw in enough people to buy tickets at a price where they'd be able to make some money after cost? There is more to putting on a concert than just doing it
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 9, 2020 2:56:24 GMT -5
Independent artists are doing this when they don't have the money like the ones on major labels. Morgan Wallen can afford it then somebody like Tiffany Woys. Casey Donahew do not make the type of money as Morgan Wallen does, but he still have online streaming concerts during the pandemic. Newer artists do have a major label backing them.
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Post by gardyfan on Nov 9, 2020 7:48:42 GMT -5
Independent artists are doing this when they don't have the money like the ones on major labels. Morgan Wallen can afford it then somebody like Tiffany Woys. Casey Donahew do not make the type of money as Morgan Wallen does, but he still have online streaming concerts during the pandemic. Newer artists do have a major label backing them. Who says they're making money doing them?
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 9, 2020 10:45:44 GMT -5
I don't know, but wouldn't drive-in concerts be similar to regular concerts in terms of many people affiliated with the artists & their teams get a cut from the concert. That's not a lot of $ from 1 concert after paying everyone especially assuming a drive-in concert ticket costs less than a regular concert for these artists. An artist on a major label might need to pay more people than someone on an indie.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 9, 2020 14:42:49 GMT -5
I don't know, but wouldn't drive-in concerts be similar to regular concerts in terms of many people affiliated with the artists & their teams get a cut from the concert. That's not a lot of $ from 1 concert after paying everyone especially assuming a drive-in concert ticket costs less than a regular concert for these artists. An artist on a major label might need to pay more people than someone on an indie. There would be less people to pay like workers at concession stands and you do not need many security guards and off duty police officers at the concerts. As for live streaming concerts? Using YouTube and Facebook you can earn revenue from ads and also these social media sites can sign contracts with the artists for content. Live streaming concerts could actually draw in many people and not in one spot. Country stars gone online to make content. Keith Urban Kylie Morgan Granger Smith Jon Pardi Luke Schnieder Mary Chapin Carpenter Brad Paisley Matt Stell Brandy Clark Chely Wright Wade Bowen Stephanie Quayle Thompson Square Reckless Kelly There are 100s more. Buddy Brown and Granger Smith already have a presence on Youtube which Granger expanded to storytime and actually online streaming concert after I suggested to him on online concerts. I think others also requested that as well. Granger was upset at first about concerts had to be sold out, but he saw he could make other money on his Youtube channel from rebuilding Earl Dibble's truck, storytelling, accostic concerts and others. Morgan and others need to be more creative to interact with their fans, especially online. Morgan got flack for his ordeal in Alabama not social distancing where he lost his SNL gig. Now with him speaking out like this? He has not learn. Other artists are being more respectful, and doing their part on not risking their fans' health. Morgan and them need to be patient. Well, the other artists do concerts, but they also cook, rebuild cars, build houses and many other things to interact with their fans. The artists also provide contentfor Youtube, Facebook, Instagram and so forth which they do get paid from advertisement from the social media. Granger Smith earned money off of Youtube before he was signed to a major label. Morgan and others should reach out to both Granger and Buddy Brown on how to earn money. CMT and Jon Pardi teamed up to do an online show called Pardi Time.
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Post by loveofmusic on Nov 9, 2020 15:27:56 GMT -5
I don't know, but wouldn't drive-in concerts be similar to regular concerts in terms of many people affiliated with the artists & their teams get a cut from the concert. That's not a lot of $ from 1 concert after paying everyone especially assuming a drive-in concert ticket costs less than a regular concert for these artists. An artist on a major label might need to pay more people than someone on an indie. There would be less people to pay like workers at concession stands and you do not need many security guards and off duty police officers at the concerts. As for live streaming concerts? Using YouTube and Facebook you can earn revenue from ads and also these social media sites can sign contracts with the artists for content. Live streaming concerts could actually draw in many people and not in one spot. Country stars gone online to make content. Keith Urban Kylie Morgan Granger Smith Jon Pardi Luke Schnieder Mary Chapin Carpenter Brad Paisley Matt Stell Brandy Clark Chely Wright Wade Bowen Stephanie Quayle Thompson Square Reckless Kelly There are 100s more. Buddy Brown and Granger Smith already have a presence on Youtube which Granger expanded to storytime and actually online streaming concert after I suggested to him on online concerts. I think others also requested that as well. Granger was upset at first about concerts had to be sold out, but he saw he could make other money on his Youtube channel from rebuilding Earl Dibble's truck, storytelling, accostic concerts and others. Morgan and others need to be more creative to interact with their fans, especially online. Morgan got flack for his ordeal in Alabama not social distancing where he lost his SNL gig. Now with him speaking out like this? He has not learn. Other artists are being more respectful, and doing their part on not risking their fans' health. Morgan and them need to be patient. Well, the other artists do concerts, but they also cook, rebuild cars, build houses and many other things to interact with their fans. The artists also provide contentfor Youtube, Facebook, Instagram and so forth which they do get paid from advertisement from the social media. Granger Smith earned money off of Youtube before he was signed to a major label. Morgan and others should reach out to both Granger and Buddy Brown on how to earn money. CMT and Jon Pardi teamed up to do an online show called Pardi Time. I know many artists have livestream concerts & have been using it to make $ during the pandemic. Some have started podcasts, partnering with sponsors for concerts, more social media interactions, etc. These things are a good way to make $ & be safe. I haven't heard many country artists do many drive-in concerts. It's a safer way to have concerts. But I just wonder if many artists could make more $ & gain more fans doing other things online. With drive-in concerts there would be travel costs, paying employees, etc. That's not considering safety concerns. I could see more risk & less reward of performing at a drive-in than doing online stuff.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 10, 2020 20:02:03 GMT -5
Brian Kelley is now blocking his fans.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2020 14:30:25 GMT -5
I can confidently tell you all that drive-in shows and distanced parking lot concerts will not be a widely-embraced thing. They strictly lose money for everyone involved except for the artists, and promoters aren’t going to be taking on any liability risks just because some Trump-loving dudes want to play shows.
It’s a very false equivalence, putting shows (where crowds of previous ones have demonstrated little care or concern for masks or distancing) in the same boat as people masking up and celebrating the dismantling of a fascist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 15:17:43 GMT -5
I can confidently tell you all that drive-in shows and distanced parking lot concerts will not be a widely-embraced thing. They strictly lose money for everyone involved except for the artists, and promoters aren’t going to be taking on any liability risks just because some Trump-loving dudes want to play shows. It’s a very false equivalence, putting shows (where crowds of previous ones have demonstrated little care or concern for masks or distancing) in the same boat as people masking up and celebrating the dismantling of a fascist. You’re making it political where none is needed. The fact of the matter is people have to earn a living, ppl have rent/ mortgages, debt, food, insurance, ect to pay for. When an artist does a concert hundreds of people are employed and work that show. I have lost both of my jobs and my wife has had to take a 40% pay cut at hers. This virus has over a 99% survival rate to those under the age of 70.....So I would much rather take my chances of getting it then losing my house and being homeless.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2020 15:35:18 GMT -5
I can confidently tell you all that drive-in shows and distanced parking lot concerts will not be a widely-embraced thing. They strictly lose money for everyone involved except for the artists, and promoters aren’t going to be taking on any liability risks just because some Trump-loving dudes want to play shows. It’s a very false equivalence, putting shows (where crowds of previous ones have demonstrated little care or concern for masks or distancing) in the same boat as people masking up and celebrating the dismantling of a fascist. You’re making it political where none is needed. The fact of the matter is people have to earn a living, ppl have rent/ mortgages, debt, food, insurance, ect to pay for. When an artist does a concert hundreds of people are employed and work that show. I have lost both of my jobs and my wife has had to take a 40% pay cut at hers. This virus has over a 99% survival rate to those under the age of 70.....So I would much rather take my chances of getting it then losing my house and being homeless. Ah, yes. I made COVID-19 and its mishandling in this country completely political. This was made political as soon as our federal government ignored it, suppressed info about it, told all fifty of these ~united~ states to fend for themselves, and then downplayed the significance of wearing masks. Once that all happened, there was no un-politicizing it. I am someone who works in the music industry. I’m sorry you lost your jobs, but you are not unique here (unfortunately). Do not sit here and preach the survival rate to someone whose livelihood has also been upended by this. Everything I said was, and is, factual—no company, no agency, no major promoter is going to take on the venture of putting on shows in this environment. People in the industry, myself included, will continue to suffer from loss of funding, and that’s where the government needs to step in. (They SHOULD have many months ago, but, y’know, it got political). Your personal wish to risk contracting a deadly virus over losing more money is irrelevant. People’s ability to make money is not, should not, and better not ever be more important than their ability to *literally* live. This is a morality check; not a “risk it for the biscuit” one. How this remains so damn difficult for people to understand, I will never know. It sucks, yes, but that’s just how the cookie has unfortunately crumbled. When a deadly airborne virus ravages the world, the jobs most affected, of course, will be the ones in the industries where gathering is involved — concerts, events, etc. Jobs are replaceable (and especially temporarily, as this pandemic will not carry on forever); lives are not. Simple. As. That.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 15:44:37 GMT -5
You’re making it political where none is needed. The fact of the matter is people have to earn a living, ppl have rent/ mortgages, debt, food, insurance, ect to pay for. When an artist does a concert hundreds of people are employed and work that show. I have lost both of my jobs and my wife has had to take a 40% pay cut at hers. This virus has over a 99% survival rate to those under the age of 70.....So I would much rather take my chances of getting it then losing my house and being homeless. Ah, yes. I, a single person, made COVID-19 and its mishandling in this country completely political. This was made political as soon as our federal government ignored it, suppressed info about it, told all fifty of these ~united~ states to fend for themselves, and then downplayed the significance of wearing masks. Once that all happened, there was no un-politicizing it. I am someone who works in the music industry. I’m sorry you lost your jobs, but you are not unique here (unfortunately). Do not sit here and preach the survival rate to someone whose livelihood has also been upended by this. Everything I said was, and is, factual—no company, no agency, no major promoter is going to take on the venture of putting on shows in this environment. People in the industry, myself included, will continue to suffer from loss of funding, and that’s where the government needs to step in. (They SHOULD have many months ago, but, y’know, it got political). Your personal wish to risk contracting a deadly virus over losing more money is irrelevant. People’s ability to make money is not, should not, and better not ever be more important than their ability to *literally* live. This is a morality check; not a “risk it for the biscuit” one. How this remains so damn difficult for people to understand, I will never know. It sucks, yes, but that’s just how the cookie has unfortunately crumbled. When a deadly airborne virus ravages the world, the jobs most affected, of course, will be the ones in the industries where gathering is involved — concerts, events, etc. Jobs are replaceable (and especially temporarily, as this pandemic will not carry on forever); lives are not. Simple. As. That. So my wish for not wanting to be homeless is irrelevant?
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 11, 2020 15:46:06 GMT -5
Ah, yes. I, a single person, made COVID-19 and its mishandling in this country completely political. This was made political as soon as our federal government ignored it, suppressed info about it, told all fifty of these ~united~ states to fend for themselves, and then downplayed the significance of wearing masks. Once that all happened, there was no un-politicizing it. I am someone who works in the music industry. I’m sorry you lost your jobs, but you are not unique here (unfortunately). Do not sit here and preach the survival rate to someone whose livelihood has also been upended by this. Everything I said was, and is, factual—no company, no agency, no major promoter is going to take on the venture of putting on shows in this environment. People in the industry, myself included, will continue to suffer from loss of funding, and that’s where the government needs to step in. (They SHOULD have many months ago, but, y’know, it got political). Your personal wish to risk contracting a deadly virus over losing more money is irrelevant. People’s ability to make money is not, should not, and better not ever be more important than their ability to *literally* live. This is a morality check; not a “risk it for the biscuit” one. How this remains so damn difficult for people to understand, I will never know. It sucks, yes, but that’s just how the cookie has unfortunately crumbled. When a deadly airborne virus ravages the world, the jobs most affected, of course, will be the ones in the industries where gathering is involved — concerts, events, etc. Jobs are replaceable (and especially temporarily, as this pandemic will not carry on forever); lives are not. Simple. As. That. So my wish for not wanting to be homeless is irrelevant? If that’s all you took from what I said, then I bid you adieu, as talking to a brick wall is not on my to-do list today. So, adieu.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 11, 2020 16:04:43 GMT -5
I can confidently tell you all that drive-in shows and distanced parking lot concerts will not be a widely-embraced thing. They strictly lose money for everyone involved except for the artists, and promoters aren’t going to be taking on any liability risks just because some Trump-loving dudes want to play shows. It’s a very false equivalence, putting shows (where crowds of previous ones have demonstrated little care or concern for masks or distancing) in the same boat as people masking up and celebrating the dismantling of a fascist. You’re making it political where none is needed. The fact of the matter is people have to earn a living, ppl have rent/ mortgages, debt, food, insurance, ect to pay for. When an artist does a concert hundreds of people are employed and work that show. I have lost both of my jobs and my wife has had to take a 40% pay cut at hers. This virus has over a 99% survival rate to those under the age of 70.....So I would much rather take my chances of getting it then losing my house and being homeless. I know people who have also lost jobs due to this. It sucks. They had to temporarily shelve their small business and found other work instead. The reason you lost your job though isn't due to people taking covid to seriously. Your worries about losing your house are because of the inept way it's been handled. I am under 70, but given the data around mental issues, and organ damage, sustained by people under 70, I don't want to get it. My parents are also over 70, and between my parents lives, and your job, I choose their lives. The thing with public health is that your choices don't just impact you. It's not you taking your chances, it's you taking chances for other people. I also voted for politicians who prioritized a covid relief bill, over fast tracking supreme court justices, precisely because I want relief for the individuals who are being asked to shoulder the economic burden. And politicians who have a plan to help mitigate the spread, so we can get back to more of our normal lives. The truth is, even if governments everywhere said everyone go back to normal tomorrow, it wouldn't happen. You can't have a real economic recovery without virus mitigation.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 11, 2020 19:18:53 GMT -5
You’re making it political where none is needed. The fact of the matter is people have to earn a living, ppl have rent/ mortgages, debt, food, insurance, ect to pay for. When an artist does a concert hundreds of people are employed and work that show. I have lost both of my jobs and my wife has had to take a 40% pay cut at hers. This virus has over a 99% survival rate to those under the age of 70.....So I would much rather take my chances of getting it then losing my house and being homeless. I know people who have also lost jobs due to this. It sucks. They had to temporarily shelve their small business and found other work instead. The reason you lost your job though isn't due to people taking covid to seriously. Your worries about losing your house are because of the inept way it's been handled. I am under 70, but given the data around mental issues, and organ damage, sustained by people under 70, I don't want to get it. My parents are also over 70, and between my parents lives, and your job, I choose their lives. The thing with public health is that your choices don't just impact you. It's not you taking your chances, it's you taking chances for other people. I also voted for politicians who prioritized a covid relief bill, over fast tracking supreme court justices, precisely because I want relief for the individuals who are being asked to shoulder the economic burden. And politicians who have a plan to help mitigate the spread, so we can get back to more of our normal lives. The truth is, even if governments everywhere said everyone go back to normal tomorrow, it wouldn't happen. You can't have a real economic recovery without virus mitigation. We seem to keep repeating history over and over again with pandemics. Keeping things open doed hurt the economy worst than shutting down. You tend to get more people sick and dying. You can't have a business when so many people in your community sick and dying. The myth that people under 70 will not die. There have been young people around Morgan Wallen's age caught the virus and died from it. These people were healthy athletic type of people. A 19 year old football player in the state of Washington died from the virus, and he had no health issues. A California, PA. University football player died from the virus. The thing this country needs is that everything needs to be frozing so that nobody would lose their jobs, businesses and homes. We could order different businesses to produce food. Pay entertainers to hold online concerts and other entertainment. Granger Smith have a series of webisodes that have to do with Earl Dibbles JR. He is racking up views for rebuilding Earl's truck and other things. The way I am talking about, these singers, fans and others will not have to worry while we are going through a disaster or pandemics.
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Post by gardyfan on Nov 11, 2020 19:57:58 GMT -5
You freeze everything and that would destroy America.
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Post by nncountrykid on Nov 12, 2020 19:23:23 GMT -5
You freeze everything and that would destroy America. No, you’d mostly just destroy dividends for a lot of stockholders, but that *IS* America for about 72 million people it seems.
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Post by gardyfan on Nov 12, 2020 19:54:34 GMT -5
You freeze everything and that would destroy America. No, you’d mostly just destroy dividends for a lot of stockholders, but that *IS* America for about 72 million people it seems. Who will be able to pay for their mortgages? Nobody.
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