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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 15, 2022 12:59:58 GMT -5
Whether or not she knew what would happen last night, she knows where Aldean stands in general and about recent events. If nothing else she could now come out and post that she doesn't support what happened at the event in regards to Maren. Additionally surely she knew Wallen would be there (likely saw him backstage), so that's another area ripe for discussion with Lambert. Sounds like you're just (once again) looking for sensationalized outrage for no reason. Implicating that MirLam is not LGBTQ+ friendly because she came out and sang a duet with Jason Aldean that went #1 on the chart over 4 years ago is ridiculous. Just because Maren Morris likes to sound off about these things on social media, doesn't meant it's a requirement for Miranda Lambert to do the same. She usually keeps to herself -- there isn't even anything on Miranda's Instagram referencing her being part of Jason Aldean's show last night. She's on break from her LV residency, came out and did her thing, and then left. To infer anything further about her character from this is misplaced disappointment as I said previously. That's all your opinion, of course, and I obviously see it differently. I think we're past it being ok for people to stay silent on these issues. It's also telling that you see what Maren did as "sounding off" as opposed to "voicing support" or "calling out bigotry." That aligns with you seeing my posts as "looking for sensationalized outrage for no reason" as opposed to highlighting the uniformed bigotry that exists in country music.
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Post by thewp on Oct 15, 2022 13:25:53 GMT -5
Sounds like you're just (once again) looking for sensationalized outrage for no reason. Implicating that MirLam is not LGBTQ+ friendly because she came out and sang a duet with Jason Aldean that went #1 on the chart over 4 years ago is ridiculous. Just because Maren Morris likes to sound off about these things on social media, doesn't meant it's a requirement for Miranda Lambert to do the same. She usually keeps to herself -- there isn't even anything on Miranda's Instagram referencing her being part of Jason Aldean's show last night. She's on break from her LV residency, came out and did her thing, and then left. To infer anything further about her character from this is misplaced disappointment as I said previously. That's all your opinion, of course, and I obviously see it differently. I think we're past it being ok for people to stay silent on these issues. It's also telling that you see what Maren did as "sounding off" as opposed to "voicing support" or "calling out bigotry." That aligns with you seeing my posts as "looking for sensationalized outrage for no reason" as opposed to highlighting the unfirmed bigotry that exists in country music. Her fans act like she lives in the fucking woods without access to the internet. 😂. Well, they have internet in Vegas. They already bullied Hunter Kelly into deleting his tweet calling her out, and now he’s DM’d her team. And I’m sure he’ll just not repost his criticism once they don’t respond. 🥴
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 13:37:48 GMT -5
Putting the onus of Aldean’s shittiness on his previous collaborators is stupid. I hate the guy but saying “Miranda Lambert must be anti-trans” because she played her hit song with him in a show is such a silly false equivalency.
But, sure jingles pls go for sensationalized Twitter woke-ism.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 15, 2022 13:47:04 GMT -5
I think Aldean has been pretty vocal about where he stands. I don't blame Miranda for doing a song with him in the past. But coming out on stage with him now in Nashville is making a statement given everything that has gone down recently. And there is zero chance Miranda doesn't know what's going on.
Also while Miranda has been vocal in speaking up about Gay rights, she's never spoken up about Trans rights, and so no I don't think we know where she stands on that. She also was one of the few even country singers who never mentioned anything about Black Lives Matter, plus her issues with Mexican culture. So it doesn't really surprise me.
I don't think she knew what he was going to do re:Maren, and if you don't care if she sings with Aldean, that's your prerogative, but Miranda isn't dumb, and she's not hiding under a rock. She didn't do it out of ignorance.
(and I'm not putting the onus of Aldean's s**ttiness on her, he's a piece of crap, but she chose to stand next to him, and that is her choice)
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 15, 2022 13:47:14 GMT -5
Putting the onus of Aldean’s s**ttiness on his previous collaborators is stupid. I hate the guy but saying “Miranda Lambert must be anti-trans” because she played her hit song with him in a show is such a silly false equivalency. But, sure jingles pls go for sensationalized Twitter woke-ism. If she had previously collaborated with him and now denounced him, that would be one thing; it's not about "previous" actions. It's about now. Jason Aldean has worn blackface within the past decade, has now publicly supported Morgan Wallen, and now he and has wife have been proactively anti-trans. These are all things that continue bigotry within the country music industry, and yes anyone who appears with Aldean in a public way is contributing. "The silence of the good people is more dangerous than the brutality of the bad people." (Martin Luther King) "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu) "What hurts the victim most is not the cruelty of the oppressor, but the silence of the bystander." (Elie Wiesel)
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 13:54:07 GMT -5
jfc. Let me know when you can clear a purity test in this world. I’ll wait.
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Post by stanches2318 on Oct 15, 2022 14:03:15 GMT -5
So how s the CMA'S gonna work? with all these singers coming together to celebrate the music of country with what has transpired from a year to now?
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Post by seak05 on Oct 15, 2022 14:10:21 GMT -5
jfc. Let me know when you can clear a purity test in this world. I’ll wait. I'm pretty sure I can clear a purity test of not voluntarily hanging out with people who are publicly transphobic and bash people who stand up for trans rights
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 14:12:11 GMT -5
jfc. Let me know when you can clear a purity test in this world. I’ll wait. I'm pretty sure I can clear a purity test of not voluntarily hanging out with people who are publicly transphobic and bash people who stand up for trans rights That’s a small piece of a very large puzzle here, and note that we are on the same page when it comes to that, but okay.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 15, 2022 14:38:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I can clear a purity test of not voluntarily hanging out with people who are publicly transphobic and bash people who stand up for trans rights That’s a small piece of a very large puzzle here, and note that we are on the same page when it comes to that, but okay. But that's literally all that people had an issue with. I don't blame Miranda for doing a song with Jason. I don't think she is Jason (I think she's much smarter then that). But given everything that has very publicly transpired with him in the past couple months, voluntarily choosing to come out on stage with him was at best a mistake...and not something I would have chosen to do (not that I have any singing ability, or anyone has ever asked me to come on stage). This wasn't even a work event, a la an awards show. And as an adult Miranda is responsible for her own choices, and we can choose to hold her accountable for them...or not.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 14:45:02 GMT -5
That’s a small piece of a very large puzzle here, and note that we are on the same page when it comes to that, but okay. But that's literally all that people had an issue with. I don't blame Miranda for doing a song with Jason. I don't think she is Jason (I think she's much smarter then that). But given everything that has very publicly transpired with him in the past couple months, voluntarily choosing to come out on stage with him was at best a mistake...and not something I would have chosen to do (not that I have any singing ability, or anyone has ever asked me to come on stage). This wasn't even a work event, a la an awards show. And as an adult Miranda is responsible for her own choices, and we can choose to hold her accountable for them...or not. Your point at the beginning is literally all I was saying. She isn’t Jason. Do I think she should do anything with him? No. Do I think *anyone* should do anything with him? No, because he’s a trash can. But it is such a dangerous false equivalency to say “because so-and-so is affiliating themselves with [Bad Person], they are a shitty/bad person.” I can’t get on board with that. I think 6 years ago I did/was, but idk…I can’t entirely agree with that logic anymore. That’s not me being a transphobe apologist; it’s literally just me saying that Miranda isn’t responsible for JA’s shitty actions & opinions. Yeah, she played the song with him at the show. I don’t like that she did it, either, but I’m not cancelling her because of it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 15, 2022 14:50:59 GMT -5
But that's literally all that people had an issue with. I don't blame Miranda for doing a song with Jason. I don't think she is Jason (I think she's much smarter then that). But given everything that has very publicly transpired with him in the past couple months, voluntarily choosing to come out on stage with him was at best a mistake...and not something I would have chosen to do (not that I have any singing ability, or anyone has ever asked me to come on stage). This wasn't even a work event, a la an awards show. And as an adult Miranda is responsible for her own choices, and we can choose to hold her accountable for them...or not. Your point at the beginning is literally all I was saying. She isn’t Jason. Do I think she should do anything with him? No. Do I think *anyone* should do anything with him? No, because he’s a trash can. But it is such a dangerous false equivalency to say “because so-and-so is affiliating themselves with [Bad Person], they are a s**tty/bad person.” I can’t get on board with that. I think 6 years ago I did/was, but idk…I can’t entirely agree with that logic anymore. That’s not me being a transphobe apologist; it’s literally just me saying that Miranda isn’t responsible for JA’s s**tty actions & opinions. Yeah, she played the song with him at the show. I don’t like that she did it, either, but I’m not cancelling her because of it. Please point me to where anyone in this thread said Lambert is a "shitty/bad person."
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Post by seak05 on Oct 15, 2022 14:51:48 GMT -5
But that's literally all that people had an issue with. I don't blame Miranda for doing a song with Jason. I don't think she is Jason (I think she's much smarter then that). But given everything that has very publicly transpired with him in the past couple months, voluntarily choosing to come out on stage with him was at best a mistake...and not something I would have chosen to do (not that I have any singing ability, or anyone has ever asked me to come on stage). This wasn't even a work event, a la an awards show. And as an adult Miranda is responsible for her own choices, and we can choose to hold her accountable for them...or not. Your point at the beginning is literally all I was saying. She isn’t Jason. Do I think she should do anything with him? No. Do I think *anyone* should do anything with him? No, because he’s a trash can. But it is such a dangerous false equivalency to say “because so-and-so is affiliating themselves with [Bad Person], they are a s**tty/bad person.” I can’t get on board with that. I think 6 years ago I did/was, but idk…I can’t entirely agree with that logic anymore. That’s not me being a transphobe apologist; it’s literally just me saying that Miranda isn’t responsible for JA’s s**tty actions & opinions. Yeah, she played the song with him at the show. I don’t like that she did it, either, but I’m not cancelling her because of it. I think it suggests that Jason's public beliefs and attitudes aren't enough of a reason for Miranda to disassociate from him. They would be for me (tbf so would about a billion other things he's also done). I don't think Maren would have gone out there with him. I'm still going to enjoy drunk and I don't wanna go home. I wouldn't say she's someone I think of as a champion for lgtbq+ or other minority/human rights though, or someone I personally admire.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 15:00:47 GMT -5
Your point at the beginning is literally all I was saying. She isn’t Jason. Do I think she should do anything with him? No. Do I think *anyone* should do anything with him? No, because he’s a trash can. But it is such a dangerous false equivalency to say “because so-and-so is affiliating themselves with [Bad Person], they are a s**tty/bad person.” I can’t get on board with that. I think 6 years ago I did/was, but idk…I can’t entirely agree with that logic anymore. That’s not me being a transphobe apologist; it’s literally just me saying that Miranda isn’t responsible for JA’s s**tty actions & opinions. Yeah, she played the song with him at the show. I don’t like that she did it, either, but I’m not cancelling her because of it. I think it suggests that Jason's public beliefs and attitudes aren't enough of a reason for Miranda to disassociate from him. They would be for me (tbf so would about a billion other things he's also done). I don't think Maren would have gone out there with him. I'm still going to enjoy drunk and I don't wanna go home. I wouldn't say she's someone I think of as a champion for lgtbq+ or other minority/human rights though, or someone I personally admire. I really do think we’re on the same page here. If her being with JA on stage is a subtle way of not saying a quiet part out loud, then no, I don’t want to brunch with her, either. But I’m not entirely convinced that her being there totally means that. I do hear & get what you’re saying.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 15, 2022 16:27:39 GMT -5
Putting the onus of Aldean’s s**ttiness on his previous collaborators is stupid. I hate the guy but saying “Miranda Lambert must be anti-trans” because she played her hit song with him in a show is such a silly false equivalency. But, sure jingles pls go for sensationalized Twitter woke-ism. If she had previously collaborated with him and now denounced him, that would be one thing; it's not about "previous" actions. It's about now. Jason Aldean has worn blackface within the past decade, has now publicly supported Morgan Wallen, and now he and has wife have been proactively anti-trans. These are all things that continue bigotry within the country music industry, and yes anyone who appears with Aldean in a public way is contributing. "The silence of the good people is more dangerous than the brutality of the bad people." (Martin Luther King) "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu) "What hurts the victim most is not the cruelty of the oppressor, but the silence of the bystander." (Elie Wiesel) I think it needs to be mentioned that this is exactly why Maren Morris said she doesn't feel comfortable going to the CMAs. Can you imagine the reaction she would get there if she were to go on stage? Seeing Lambert join Aldean and Wallen can't have made Morris feel good or that she'd have support from people if she did attend. I also think back to when The Chicks were outcast and how when their name was mentioned at awards shows at that time, they were booed. I remember Toby Keith publicly telling her to shut up, and I remember Jeff Foxworthy hosting one of the country awards shows and saying something about how they didn't want The Chicks there. That is playing into how Morris feels, I'm sure, and again seeing people perform with Aldean just adds to it. I'll also let Tiffany explain that two things can be true at once: I can be disappointed in Lambert but still be a fan and not think she's a terrible person. (By the way she mentions Kelsea there because she had Racist Wallen on her IG story.)
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 15, 2022 16:58:59 GMT -5
If she had previously collaborated with him and now denounced him, that would be one thing; it's not about "previous" actions. It's about now. Jason Aldean has worn blackface within the past decade, has now publicly supported Morgan Wallen, and now he and has wife have been proactively anti-trans. These are all things that continue bigotry within the country music industry, and yes anyone who appears with Aldean in a public way is contributing. "The silence of the good people is more dangerous than the brutality of the bad people." (Martin Luther King) "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu) "What hurts the victim most is not the cruelty of the oppressor, but the silence of the bystander." (Elie Wiesel) I think it needs to be mentioned that this is exactly why Maren Morris said she doesn't feel comfortable going to the CMAs. Can you imagine the reaction she would get there if she were to go on stage? Seeing Lambert join Aldean and Wallen can't have made Morris feel good or that she'd have support from people if she did attend. I also think back to when The Chicks were outcast and how when their name was mentioned at awards shows at that time, they were booed. I remember Toby Keith publicly telling her to shut up, and I remember Jeff Foxworthy hosting one of the country awards shows and saying something about how they didn't want The Chicks there. That is playing into how Morris feels, I'm sure, and again seeing people perform with Aldean just adds to it. I'll also let Tiffany explain that two things can be true at once: I can be disappointed in Lambert but still be a fan and not think she's a terrible person. (By the way she mentions Kelsea there because she had Racist Wallen on her IG story.) So every person that takes a picture or does anything associated with Wallen we have to think lower of them? Better bitch out Kelsea, Kenny, Peyton Manning, Hardy, Ernest, Lindsay ELL, Ashley Cooke, Darius Rucker, Eric Church, Miranda, and many others then. If Maren went to the awards shows she would get the same reaction as every single other person there, applause. It’s an awards show not a political rally.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 15, 2022 17:04:24 GMT -5
I'll also let Tiffany explain that two things can be true at once: I can be disappointed in Lambert but still be a fan and not think she's a terrible person. (By the way she mentions Kelsea there because she had Racist Wallen on her IG story.) Wish I would’ve known this tweet existed before I ever posted anything in the first place bc this is literally all I’ve been trying to say. [*insert Regina George “So we agree?” meme here*]
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Post by 3chords on Oct 15, 2022 18:33:02 GMT -5
I’m gonna try to articulate my thoughts idk if they’ll make sense. Miranda and Jason have been in this industry together for 20 years. They are friends (not hang out friends, but we’ve been thru this whole ride together friends). She’s also friends with Maren and TJ and has an actual gay *family member*. She’s jumped on stage multiple times with people at Bridgestone before. Do I think she’s aware of the general feud between the Aldeans and Maren, sure, she must be to some extent. Was she combing thru their Instagrams keeping track of it all like we were while she was prepping for her own giant show, doubtful. She’s also not on Twitter seeing how much it means to some people. Last night was also her husband’s birthday and they’re friends with Fabiano who runs both her and Jason’s restaurants and were out with him downtown. I saw no trace of her at the show past her guest spot or when the whole unnecessary maren comment went down. Nor was she anywhere in the audience with Brittany and those girls. Which was an hour in. I genuinely think Jason asked her for a favor (who even knows when) and she said sure, and she thought nothing more of it. Could I be wrong? Always. And whoever brought up her not ever saying anything about trans people, she has. Y’all Means All has a line about Ys & Xs (chromosomes) and she was asked about it specifically in rolling stone in March.
Oh she and Morgan also share a publicist. Anyways that’s all. Now what’s everyone’s problem with Kelsea 😂
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Post by 3chords on Oct 15, 2022 18:43:46 GMT -5
“I think it suggests that Jason's public beliefs and attitudes aren't enough of a reason for Miranda to disassociate from him. “
I just saw whoever posted this. And yes this is what I was trying to say. I don’t think she’s as politically motivated and forward as people wishes she were. And that she views jason as her peer of two decades before (insert nasty adjective / noun) whatever he is to people do not care for him.
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Post by liza on Oct 15, 2022 21:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by seak05 on Oct 15, 2022 22:05:23 GMT -5
[quote author=" mnvikings" [/quote]If Maren went to the awards shows she would get the same reaction as every single other person there, applause. It’s an awards show not a political rally.[/quote] “I think it suggests that Jason's public beliefs and attitudes aren't enough of a reason for Miranda to disassociate from him. “ I just saw whoever posted this. And yes this is what I was trying to say. I don’t think she’s as politically motivated and forward as people wishes she were. And that she views jason as her peer of two decades before (insert nasty adjective / noun) whatever he is to people do not care for him. can we please stop saying that human rights are "politics"? k thanks
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 15, 2022 22:42:59 GMT -5
As I pointed out previously and will reiterate as one final thing on the subject, MirLam didn't even make a single mention on her social media accounts about going out on stage with Jason Aldean to perform that song. She came out just long enough to perform their old duet from several years back and that was it. The initial "Is MirLam now openly anti-LGBTQ+?!" rhetoric because of THAT is a crazy jump imo. From the way some people are talking about the incident, you'd think she recorded the duet yesterday, Tweeted about how much she loves Jason Aldean, and personally said something transphobic.
If someone wants to jump to those kinds of conclusions and find it to be disappointing, then whatever that's their prerogative, but I just personally find that to be a pretty huge reach. Jason Aldean sucks as a human being and we can all agree on that, but he's essentially a long-time coworker and she popped up just long enough to do their one hit song together when she had a night off, and then she left without making a big deal about it.
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Post by taylor on Oct 16, 2022 1:37:10 GMT -5
Trans person here, hi. Some points that were made are valid (i.e. this industry needs to change from within; Jason is a trash can, etc.). I draw the line at Miranda Lambert suddenly being transphobic. Like it or not, Jason is her coworker in the industry. So what, is Carrie Underwood a transphobe for having a song with him herself then? Is Kelly Clarkson? Do you see the danger that lies in this “all people who work with (Bad Person) is (insert Bad Person’s reason for being bad)” mentality?! We all have co-workers we might not personally like for similar reasons. Under that flawed and dangerous logic, what does it say about you that you’re able to work with them so well, so professionally despite it? Do you see where this logic leads?
I personally see no reason why the intense debate was needed. Neither MirLam nor CU nor (mostly) anyone who has ever so much as breathed Jason’s direction is a transphobe, and until I see reason from these people themselves for me to say otherwise and put my coins elsewhere, it’s gonna stay that way.
Put the sensationalism to bed, and spend a little bit less time on Twitter. And put all this f**king outrage towards REAL changes, like voting for good people who will actually lead, that will make my life easier and safer, and make the generation of trans people after me not want to kill themselves daily.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 16, 2022 3:42:20 GMT -5
Well… that sucks. As a long time Miranda fan, I have to say I’m bit disappointed.
I wish I could just brush this off like I’ve seen some other fans do, but choosing to share a stage with Aldean at this point (regardless of their past relationship) just made me a bit sad, I’m not gonna lie. I has nothing to do with this “transphobe by association” non-sense… it’s just that I think that showing up to sing at his concert, like nothing has happened, just helps normalizing his behavior. It doesn’t really change my love for her artistry, but at the same time there’s definitely space here for some constructive criticism…
Actually, I often wonder if, as fans, we give our favorite country artists too much positive reinforcement for doing the bare minimum when it comes to voicing their support for human rights causes, and as a result we don’t see much changing in the country music landscape regarding these issues. Thankfully, this new generation of country artists seem to really want to take a stand full on against bigotry…
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 16, 2022 5:38:26 GMT -5
The initial "Is MirLam now openly anti-LGBTQ+?!" rhetoric because of THAT is a crazy jump imo. Please show me where someone in this thread said Lambert is "anti" LGBTQ+ (or transphobic). Well… that sucks. As a long time Miranda fan, I have to say I’m bit disappointed. I wish I could just brush this off like I’ve seen some other fans do, but choosing to share a stage with Aldean at this point (regardless of their past relationship) just made me a bit sad, I’m not gonna lie. I has nothing to do with this “transphobe by association” non-sense… it’s just that I think that showing up to sing at his concert, like nothing has happened, just helps normalizing his behavior. It doesn’t really change my love for her artistry, but at the same time there’s definitely space here for some constructive criticism… Actually, I often wonder if, as fans, we give our favorite country artists too much positive reinforcement for doing the bare minimum when it comes to voicing their support for human rights causes, and as a result we don’t see much changing in the country music landscape regarding these issues. Thankfully, this new generation of country artists seem to really want to take a stand full on against bigotry… ![](https://media3.giphy.com/media/PkXrOxe77MbmavlfWa/200.gif)
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2022 10:51:32 GMT -5
Please show me where someone in this thread said Lambert is "anti" LGBTQ+ (or transphobic). I am particularly disappointed in the latter since I thought she stood with the LGBTQ+ community.Anti means the antithesis of something, which would be the direct opposite of "standing with the LGBTQ+." Pretty simple semantics. Actually, I often wonder if, as fans, we give our favorite country artists too much positive reinforcement for doing the bare minimum when it comes to voicing their support for human rights causes, and as a result we don’t see much changing in the country music landscape regarding these issues. Thankfully, this new generation of country artists seem to really want to take a stand full on against bigotry… I'm kinda coming at it from the opposite angle. I think we as fans are expecting too much out of these artists sometimes. Maren Morris stood up for trans voices on social media and that is AWESOME, but that does not mean that every other artist has to meet that same bar. Maren Morris is also now vilified and bullied by the right on social media for sticking her neck out there, and maybe she doesn't care that she's getting that kind of blowback or need those kind of people to support her career, but I'm certainly not going to blame or be upset with Miranda Lambert for choosing to not get on that level of involvement. Like I said before, it says a lot to me that she made NO mention of showing up to Jason Aldean's concert on her social media. She's the current reigning EOTY at the ACMs and likely jumped at the chance to sing one of her hits singles live at a sold-out arena show on one of her days off from Vegas. It's a relatively passing act of associating herself with Jason Aldean, and Miranda has done PLENTY to show her support of the LGBTQ+ community (more than a vast majority of country artists). Trans person here, hi. Some points that were made are valid (i.e. this industry needs to change from within; Jason is a trash can, etc.). I draw the line at Miranda Lambert suddenly being transphobic. Like it or not, Jason is her coworker in the industry. So what, is Carrie Underwood a transphobe for having a song with him herself then? Is Kelly Clarkson? Do you see the danger that lies in this “all people who work with (Bad Person) is (insert Bad Person’s reason for being bad)” mentality?! We all have co-workers we might not personally like for similar reasons. Under that flawed and dangerous logic, what does it say about you that you’re able to work with them so well, so professionally despite it? Do you see where this logic leads? I personally see no reason why the intense debate was needed. Neither MirLam nor CU nor (mostly) anyone who has ever so much as breathed Jason’s direction is a transphobe, and until I see reason from these people themselves for me to say otherwise and put my coins elsewhere, it’s gonna stay that way. Put the sensationalism to bed, and spend a little bit less time on Twitter. And put all this f**king outrage towards REAL changes, like voting for good people who will actually lead, that will make my life easier and safer, and make the generation of trans people after me not want to kill themselves daily. ![](https://media3.giphy.com/media/PkXrOxe77MbmavlfWa/200.gif)
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Post by 3chords on Oct 16, 2022 11:15:01 GMT -5
“I'm certainly not going to blame or be upset with Miranda Lambert for choosing to not get on that level of involvement.”
Fun time to remind people Miranda’s manager used to work with the Chicks 🙃
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 16, 2022 12:28:01 GMT -5
Actually, I often wonder if, as fans, we give our favorite country artists too much positive reinforcement for doing the bare minimum when it comes to voicing their support for human rights causes, and as a result we don’t see much changing in the country music landscape regarding these issues. Thankfully, this new generation of country artists seem to really want to take a stand full on against bigotry… I'm kinda coming at it from the opposite angle. I think we as fans are expecting too much out of these artists sometimes. Maren Morris stood up for trans voices on social media and that is AWESOME, but that does not mean that every other artist has to meet that same bar. Maren Morris is also now vilified and bullied by the right on social media for sticking her neck out there, and maybe she doesn't care that she's getting that kind of blowback or need those kind of people to support her career, but I'm certainly not going to blame or be upset with Miranda Lambert for choosing to not get on that level of involvement. Like I said before, it says a lot to me that she made NO mention of showing up to Jason Aldean's concert on her social media. She's the current reigning EOTY at the ACMs and likely jumped at the chance to sing one of her hits singles live at a sold-out arena show on one of her days off from Vegas. It's a relatively passing act of associating herself with Jason Aldean, and Miranda has done PLENTY to show her support of the LGBTQ+ community (more than a vast majority of country artists). I mean... I'm not saying anyone needs to be showing the same level of involvement that Maren (or Brandi, Kacey, Mickey, Cassadee, etc) does on human rights causes... but at the same time it does bother me that a lot of country artists can operate on that very comfortable place of enjoying the best of both worlds with very little compromise... they can voice their support and enjoy a LGBTQ+ fanbase while also performing alongside a notable transphobe and enjoy the opportunity to play to his sold-out crowd. It's definitely a smarter career move than Maren's, but unfortunately not one I would expect from an ally. At the end of the day, she didn't really have to stand up for anything publicly if that's not what she wants to do (and I respect that), but I think, as a big fan, I'm allowed to be disappointed that all the controversy surrounding Aldean didn't bother her enough to say "no, thanks" to his invitation. I see your point, and I've been talking to a lot of fans who think the same, but as I said to them, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll continue to be a fan, and I'll keep trying my best to bring constructive criticism to the table (alongside other fans who think the same)... hopefully it will get to her, and she'll be able to think about it
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Post by 3chords on Oct 16, 2022 13:14:24 GMT -5
I'm kinda coming at it from the opposite angle. I think we as fans are expecting too much out of these artists sometimes. Maren Morris stood up for trans voices on social media and that is AWESOME, but that does not mean that every other artist has to meet that same bar. Maren Morris is also now vilified and bullied by the right on social media for sticking her neck out there, and maybe she doesn't care that she's getting that kind of blowback or need those kind of people to support her career, but I'm certainly not going to blame or be upset with Miranda Lambert for choosing to not get on that level of involvement. Like I said before, it says a lot to me that she made NO mention of showing up to Jason Aldean's concert on her social media. She's the current reigning EOTY at the ACMs and likely jumped at the chance to sing one of her hits singles live at a sold-out arena show on one of her days off from Vegas. It's a relatively passing act of associating herself with Jason Aldean, and Miranda has done PLENTY to show her support of the LGBTQ+ community (more than a vast majority of country artists). I mean... I'm not saying anyone needs to be showing the same level of involvement that Maren (or Brandi, Kacey, Mickey, Cassadee, etc) does on human rights causes... but at the same time it does bother me that a lot of country artists can operate on that very comfortable place of enjoying the best of both worlds with very like compromise... they can voice their support and enjoy a LGBTQ+ fanbase while also performing alongside a notable transphobe and enjoy the opportunity to play to his sold-out crowd. It's definitely a smarter career move than Maren's, but unfortunately not one I would expect from an ally. At the end of the day, she didn't really have to stand up for anything publicly if that's not what she wants to do (and I respect that), but I think, as a big fan, I'm allowed to be disappointed that all the controversy surrounding Aldean didn't bother her enough to say "no, thanks" to his invitation. I see your point, and I've been talking to a lot of fans who think the same, but as I said to them, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll continue to be a fan, and I'll keep trying my best to bring constructive criticism to the table (alongside other fans who think the same)... hopefully it will get to her, and she'll be able to think about it I appreciated reading your take. It’s completely valid and your feelings were explained well. I understand both sides here.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2022 13:17:58 GMT -5
I mean... I'm not saying anyone needs to be showing the same level of involvement that Maren (or Brandi, Kacey, Mickey, Cassadee, etc) does on human rights causes... but at the same time it does bother me that a lot of country artists can operate on that very comfortable place of enjoying the best of both worlds with very like compromise... they can voice their support and enjoy a LGBTQ+ fanbase while also performing alongside a notable transphobe and enjoy the opportunity to play to his sold-out crowd. It's definitely a smarter career move than Maren's, but unfortunately not one I would expect from an ally. At the end of the day, she didn't really have to stand up for anything publicly if that's not what she wants to do (and I respect that), but I think, as a big fan, I'm allowed to be disappointed that all the controversy surrounding Aldean didn't bother her enough to say "no, thanks" to his invitation. I see your point, and I've been talking to a lot of fans who think the same, but as I said to them, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll continue to be a fan, and I'll keep trying my best to bring constructive criticism to the table (alongside other fans who think the same)... hopefully it will get to her, and she'll be able to think about it I appreciated reading your take. It’s completely valid and your feelings were explained well. I understand both sides here. This. The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷, your take was the most respectful and understandable from the opposing side of things that I've read thus far and I respect your differing perspective.
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