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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 16, 2022 13:27:36 GMT -5
Please show me where someone in this thread said Lambert is "anti" LGBTQ+ (or transphobic). I am particularly disappointed in the latter since I thought she stood with the LGBTQ+ community.Anti means the antithesis of something, which would be the direct opposite of "standing with the LGBTQ+." Pretty simple semantics. I could be wrong but think most people view "anti-LGBTQ+" as actively working against the community. Regardless, to make it clear, my intent was to say that because Lambert has seemingly stood with the LGBTQ+ it both surprised and disappointed me that she performed with Aldean the other night and also hasn't made any effort to separate her art with him from his political/social views. That doesn't mean I think she's against the community or that I think she's a shitty person.
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Post by taylor on Oct 16, 2022 15:05:57 GMT -5
I’d also like to take the opportunity to say Miranda Lambert’s brother is gay. She was the first to support him when he came out.
Enough about that because I’ve already said my piece way earlier this morning. I wanna talk about the woman who got overshadowed: Faith Hill. That post has me PERCHED. There’s no reason for me to believe she did not just tease her first solo studio album in nearly 20 years…right?! Did anyone else see that teaser? 2023 already looks VERY promising for female country releases.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2022 15:13:17 GMT -5
I’d also like to take the opportunity to say Miranda Lambert’s brother is gay. She was the first to support him when he came out. She also put him in the music video for "Tequila Does," has attended/walked publicly in Pride Parades, and recently did the theme song for the newest season of Queer Eye. None of which is negated imo by performing her old duet with Jason Aldean at a private concert and then leaving without making any public fanfare or acknowledgment of it. Maren Morris has worked with DJ/producer Zedd on two songs now and he's made homophobic tweets in the past, but I certainly wouldn't say her association with him negates anything else she's done to show support for the community.
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Post by dwindeezy on Oct 16, 2022 17:00:24 GMT -5
On another note, I wonder when they’re going to give Mackenzie Porter a US radio push with Pick Up. I’ve noticed the streaming push the past couple months but didn’t realize it went to #1 in Canada. With how big Thinking About You was, you’d think Big Loud would try to push her here more.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2022 17:57:11 GMT -5
I hate to say it but anyone who associates with Morgan Wallen or Jason Aldean at this point are artist I will not support at this point. I've said it before but there are so many talented artist I Want to support that I am not going to support those that don't see an issue with the antics of Morgan and Jason, and others like them. So unfortunately I won't be supporting Miranda anymore until she speaks up condemning their actions because what they've done and said hurts too many to ignore. She cannot be silent here in my opinion, and just cause she has shown her support in the past does not excuse her staying silent here.
and let's not pretend that Maren Morris working with Zedd is anywhere near remotely in the same vein as Miranda continuing to perform and support Jason and Morgan, especially since he has since been supportive of gay rights since said tweets were sent so he has clearly shown that he has grown from when he made those tweets, something that Morgan has clearly not done and Jason continues to show his ignorance along with his wife.
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Post by 3chords on Oct 16, 2022 18:27:16 GMT -5
To each their own, you have the right to do whatever you want. Miranda’s just resurfaced at the Hall of Fame induction right now.
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Post by recordyear on Oct 16, 2022 18:38:29 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that.
It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2022 19:15:03 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. It is not shallow activism, it's called enough is enough with enabling certain types of behavior. Plus there is a big difference from liking a post and being friendly towards someone at an industry event and performing at their own concert. We can agree to disagree on this. Also I've never once been a fan of Kane Brown's, think he is okay but other that "What Ifs" would never purchase anything of his or go out of my way to listen to him. Also John Mayer is someone I've never liked so w/e with mentioning him.
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 16, 2022 19:15:18 GMT -5
On another note, I wonder when they’re going to give Mackenzie Porter a US radio push with Pick Up. I’ve noticed the streaming push the past couple months but didn’t realize it went to #1 in Canada. With how big Thinking About You was, you’d think Big Loud would try to push her here more. I hope so. I listen to the Canadian stations a lot so I hear her on those stations frequently, but it would be nice to hear some new blood on the US radio.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2022 19:28:27 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. I can 100% see both sides here. And I go back and forth from where I stand. With that said though, using the word cancel is just not correct here. castleoblivion26 made it clear in their post that they are choosing not to listen to them or support them. They are not calling for others to do the same. They are not calling to boycott concerts or stop listening to them on Spotify. Everyone has a different spot where they draw the line in the sand. But just because someone’s line doesn’t match yours and wishes to disassociate with some artists doesn’t mean they’re canceling them. The right has made it so that anytime anyone says they don’t support someone for whatever reason, the term cancels gets used. It has worked and has been normalized and I hate it.
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 16, 2022 19:35:35 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. It is not shallow activism, it's called enough is enough with enabling certain types of behavior. Plus there is a big difference from liking a post and being friendly towards someone at an industry event and performing at their own concert. We can agree to disagree on this. Also I've never once been a fan of Kane Brown's, think he is okay but other that "What Ifs" would never purchase anything of his or go out of my way to listen to him. Also John Mayer is someone I've never liked so w/e with mentioning him. If you quit listening to anybody associated with Wallen or Aldean that cuts out 90% of country music. Do you do this with all genres of music or is country music set to a higher standard for you? Anybody associated with Eminem, Chris Brown, Elvis Presley, Motley Crue, Marilyn Manson, Snoop Dogg, needs to be taken immediately off your playlist.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2022 19:44:39 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. I can 100% see both sides here. And I go back and forth from where I stand. With that said though, using the word cancel is just not correct here. castleoblivion26 made it clear in their post that they are choosing not to listen to them or support them. They are not calling for others to do the same. They are not calling to boycott concerts or stop listening to them on Spotify. Everyone has a different spot where they draw the line in the sand. But just because someone’s line doesn’t match yours and wishes to disassociate with some artists doesn’t mean they’re canceling them. The right has made it so that anytime anyone says they don’t support someone for whatever reason, the term cancels gets used. It has worked and has been normalized and I hate it. thanks very much for this post. I'm not asking anyone to cancel Miranda at all. I just am choosing not to support her at this time because of how disappointed I am in her and I expect more from her. Maybe I shouldn't but I do. Also my brother is trans so I take the whole Aldean situation very seriously and cannot in good faith support him at all or anyone who chooses to associate with him for financial or publicity gain.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2022 19:47:01 GMT -5
It is not shallow activism, it's called enough is enough with enabling certain types of behavior. Plus there is a big difference from liking a post and being friendly towards someone at an industry event and performing at their own concert. We can agree to disagree on this. Also I've never once been a fan of Kane Brown's, think he is okay but other that "What Ifs" would never purchase anything of his or go out of my way to listen to him. Also John Mayer is someone I've never liked so w/e with mentioning him. If you quit listening to anybody associated with Wallen or Aldean that cuts out 90% of country music. Do you do this with all genres of music or is country music set to a higher standard for you? Anybody associated with Eminem, Chris Brown, Elvis Presley, Motley Crue, Marilyn Manson, Snoop Dogg, needs to be taken immediately off your playlist. People can decide who they want to support and who they don’t want to support however this wish. Trying to do a, “gotcha,” post is just dumb. You love bringing up other music in the country thread. And it’s very transparent what you’re doing.
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 16, 2022 20:06:15 GMT -5
If you quit listening to anybody associated with Wallen or Aldean that cuts out 90% of country music. Do you do this with all genres of music or is country music set to a higher standard for you? Anybody associated with Eminem, Chris Brown, Elvis Presley, Motley Crue, Marilyn Manson, Snoop Dogg, needs to be taken immediately off your playlist. People can decide who they want to support and who they don’t want to support however this wish. Trying to do a, “gotcha,” post is just dumb. You love bringing up other music in the country thread. And it’s very transparent what you’re doing. It’s hard to find country music singers who have done truly heinous things. A handful of DUI’s, Rodney Atkins beating his wife, Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard did stuff in their younger days, I already mentioned Elvis. That’s why I use other genres of music, more to choose from.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 16, 2022 20:23:41 GMT -5
People can decide who they want to support and who they don’t want to support however this wish. Trying to do a, “gotcha,” post is just dumb. You love bringing up other music in the country thread. And it’s very transparent what you’re doing. It’s hard to find country music singers who have done truly heinous things. A handful of DUI’s, Rodney Atkins beating his wife, Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard did stuff in their younger days, I already mentioned Elvis. That’s why I use other genres of music, more to choose from. Johnny Paycheck committed statutory rape and shot a man, but sure leave him out lol I'd describe what Jason Aldean has done as "heinous," but I know racism doesn't bother you so I guess we differ there.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2022 22:45:01 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. Man, this is an excellent spot-on post. I didn't see this kind of reaction to Jimmie Allen saying multiple times that he didn't believe Morgan Wallen, his good friend that he congratulated publicly on Instagram for his Album of the Year win and also came out on stage at one of his sold-out arena shows to perform a song with him (sounds familiar...), was a "racist," i.e. But some people on the forum were big mad at Miranda Lambert opening a bar with Tex-Mex food on the menu last year, so I'm convinced at this point that some people just want a reason to complain about her. The right has made it so that anytime anyone says they don’t support someone for whatever reason, the term cancels gets used. It has worked and has been normalized and I hate it. The left unfortunately does the exact same thing, which is why we're having the debate we're having in this thread currently. I spent at least a year being attacked by progressive hard-left Bernie Sanders supporters for voicing my support for Hillary Clinton because they dug up every little sound byte they could to vilify the woman instead of worrying about Donald Trump. They're just as obnoxious and cancel-happy as some right-wingers are.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 17, 2022 0:52:54 GMT -5
I just want to jump in for a second and say thank you to those who are contributing to a respectful discussion. There are bound to be big feelings on both sides of an issue like this, and obviously everyone is free to express what they are feeling. I love how articulate The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 was and the way people came together after what he said even if they disagreed, for example. That being said, there are a few posts that are coming dangerously close to trolling and/or personal attacks, from people who are just here to stir the pot. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion other than gotcha attempts and/or belittling other people's opinions, then we probably don't need your contributions. Edit: And I swear to God, if I see one more "Please show me where _________ was said, I'm confused", I'm going to record a video tutorial on how to use "Command F" to go back and look back ten minutes into one's own posting history
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Post by matty005 on Oct 17, 2022 5:41:15 GMT -5
Good. Please don't be a fan of Kane Brown because he and JA are good friends and the title track of his just released record is supposed to feature JA instead of Blake, but JA rejected the collaboration. Or Carly Pearce because she has liked a lot of instagram posts in support of MW. Even Mickey Guyton appeared to be friendly with MW during ACM Honor. Don't forget John Mayer which Maren Morris played with made some racist comments in the past and apparently some Black artists had absolutely no problem with that. It's the shallow activism that gives some of the left bad name. Cancelling by association is just a blackhole. You will be left with no artists to listen to and solve nothing. The main enabler of these artists has always been the industry, which a typical music listener has absolutely no control of. Man, this is an excellent spot-on post. I didn't see this kind of reaction to Jimmie Allen saying multiple times that he didn't believe Morgan Wallen, his good friend that he congratulated publicly on Instagram for his Album of the Year win and also came out on stage at one of his sold-out arena shows to perform a song with him (sounds familiar...), was a "racist," i.e. But some people on the forum were big mad at Miranda Lambert opening a bar with Tex-Mex food on the menu last year, so I'm convinced at this point that some people just want a reason to complain about her. The right has made it so that anytime anyone says they don’t support someone for whatever reason, the term cancels gets used. It has worked and has been normalized and I hate it. The left unfortunately does the exact same thing, which is why we're having the debate we're having in this thread currently. I spent at least a year being attacked by progressive hard-left Bernie Sanders supporters for voicing my support for Hillary Clinton because they dug up every little sound byte they could to vilify the woman instead of worrying about Donald Trump. They're just as obnoxious and cancel-happy as some right-wingers are. I think we are pretty close to being on the same page here but the MW issue and Aldean issue are so different. I HATE what Morgan said and am no way defending him, but he didn't post on Twitter anti things towards members of the black community. He said a disgusting word but he wasn't actively trying to put down a whole community (though one could easily argue using words like he did does that). What Aldean and his wife do is full of hatred to an entire group of people. In my my eyes they are both awful people with very few redeeming qualities. So I can see why people may react in a different way when others associate with them.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 17, 2022 7:45:06 GMT -5
The left unfortunately does the exact same thing, which is why we're having the debate we're having in this thread currently. I spent at least a year being attacked by progressive hard-left Bernie Sanders supporters for voicing my support for Hillary Clinton because they dug up every little sound byte they could to vilify the woman instead of worrying about Donald Trump. They're just as obnoxious and cancel-happy as some right-wingers are. For the record, literally no one in this current discussion has said Lambert should be "canceled" or anything similar. Some have expressed "disappointment" in Lambert and one user said they personally will stop listening to her. That's it. I'm not saying you said otherwise in the quoted post, I just want that said for the record. The reason I posted what started this discussion, and the reason that it's relevant for this thread, is that this is clearly a current issue/conversation in the country music industry. In addition to Aldean and Wallen with their racist behavior still having hits and winning awards and Aldean and his wife making transphobic remarks that Cassadee Pope and Maren Morris criticized, there is still the general issue of how the industry is not set up to support and promote nonwhites and women. The industry - from executives to radio to awards - is still a mostly white male industry. That is just a fact. I understand that some of you don't care if artists push back against that, but other posters here see a lack of pushback as silent complicity whether or not that's what the silent artist intends. The reality is change doesn't occur unless people with power take a stand. Edit: And I swear to God, if I see one more "Please show me where _________ was said, I'm confused", I'm going to record a video tutorial on how to use "Command F" to go back and look back ten minutes into one's own posting history I assume this is directed to me even though for some reason you aren't being direct about it, and I swear to god I didn't say what I was being accused of. I did in fact go back and look at my posting history. I also still haven't received a reply to my request of where I said Lambert was "a shitty person" since I was accused of that - because I never did. If you are going to be a mod or whatever you are, you should be neutral. Trolling posts include posts where people are accused of things they never said. Trolling posts also include posts where people intentionally use the wrong username when addressing someone, as happened to me in this thread. Please address those things as well.
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Post by recordyear on Oct 17, 2022 8:53:36 GMT -5
The reason I posted what started this discussion, and the reason that it's relevant for this thread, is that this is clearly a current issue/conversation in the country music industry. In addition to Aldean and Wallen with their racist behavior still having hits and winning awards and Aldean and his wife making transphobic remarks that Cassadee Pope and Maren Morris criticized, there is still the general issue of how the industry is not set up to support and promote nonwhites and women. The industry - from executives to radio to awards - is still a mostly white male industry. That is just a fact. I understand that some of you don't care if artists push back against that, but other posters here see a lack of pushback as silent complicity whether or not that's what the silent artist intends. The reality is change doesn't occur unless people with power take a stand. 1. This is the main point of my post (glad some of you cannot find any other points to criticize and end up criticizing the choice of the word btw), which connects to the following point... 2. It is not that Maren Morris should not call out. It is more about the scale of the matter. JA, MW and she actually represents certain types of people in industry, and to change the thinking of quite a lot of people does not only take a single post on social media platform, or selling shirts that tries to "reclaim the hateful words". Systemic issues need systemic solutions, and that's why the existence of The Black Opry is the closest probable solution to the root of the problem, instead of writing meltdown Twitter threads frequently, or trying to use the attendance of awards shows as a bargaining point. The stakes are actually not only her career too, but also the face of the community supporting her. After all, when MW receives awards nowadays. he would just shrug off the incident as "just a hassle". This is the biggest middle finger to that community I have ever seen. This tweet by Allison Russell is not to tell people to shove off. It's to add depths of the movement.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 17, 2022 9:09:22 GMT -5
The reason I posted what started this discussion, and the reason that it's relevant for this thread, is that this is clearly a current issue/conversation in the country music industry. In addition to Aldean and Wallen with their racist behavior still having hits and winning awards and Aldean and his wife making transphobic remarks that Cassadee Pope and Maren Morris criticized, there is still the general issue of how the industry is not set up to support and promote nonwhites and women. The industry - from executives to radio to awards - is still a mostly white male industry. That is just a fact. I understand that some of you don't care if artists push back against that, but other posters here see a lack of pushback as silent complicity whether or not that's what the silent artist intends. The reality is change doesn't occur unless people with power take a stand. 1. This is the main point of my post (glad some of you cannot find any other points to criticize and end up criticizing the choice of the word btw), which connects to the following point... 2. It is not that Maren Morris should not call out. It is more about the scale of the matter. JA, MW and she actually represents certain types of people in industry, and to change the thinking of quite a lot of people does not only take a single post on social media platform, or selling shirts that tries to "reclaim the hateful words". Systemic issues need systemic solutions, and that's why the existence of The Black Opry is the closest probable solution to the root of the problem, instead of writing meltdown Twitter threads frequently, or trying to use the attendance of awards shows as a bargaining point. The stakes are actually not only her career too, but also the face of the community supporting her. After all, when MW receives awards nowadays. he would just shrug off the incident as "just a hassle". This is the biggest middle finger to that community I have ever seen. This tweet by Allison Russell is not to tell people to shove off. It's to add depths of the movement. Point 1 bothers me. I even said in my post I agree with you and can see your point. For you to say make it seem my intent was to critic and could only do it by saying you used the wrong word is misleading and wrong. Again, I agree with you!! But using the word, “cancel,” is totally the wrong word to use here. Now if you didn’t mean to use it and meant something else that’s fine and again I see your point. But this is a message board where we only have words to communicate.
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Post by 3chords on Oct 17, 2022 9:25:17 GMT -5
I’m not sure if I already brought up that Miranda and Morgan share a publicist (along with EC & KC), but for everyone expressing disappointment and asking for an apology, since everything is much deeper & business-oriented in any industry than it appears to us on the surface… I doubt they’re encouraging her to make a statement or address an issue that would also involve another one of their clients who people already hate. If I were the publicist I would have had Miranda at that show to help Morgan’s reputation. Unfortunately we all know how associating with him is still going @ Kelsea.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 17, 2022 9:52:06 GMT -5
I’m not sure if I already brought up that Miranda and Morgan share a publicist (along with EC & KC), but for everyone expressing disappointment and asking for an apology, since everything is much deeper & business-oriented in any industry than it appears to us on the surface… I doubt they’re encouraging her to make a statement or address an issue that would also involve another one of their clients who people already hate. If I were the publicist I would have had Miranda at that show to help Morgan’s reputation. Unfortunately we all know how associating with him is still going @ Kelsea. I saw it and understand it, but it's also the exact kind of systemic thing that allows poor behavior to continue. It takes an artist like Lambert - who has enough standing in the industry to not only have a point get heard, but to not fear the publicist dropping her - to refuse the request of the publicist. In your example, if Lambert agreed to make an appearance to help Wallen's reputation, that would actually make me think worse of her (and for the record I am not saying that's why she did it, I am just using the example provided).
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Post by BlueShades874 on Oct 17, 2022 9:54:05 GMT -5
It is not shallow activism, it's called enough is enough with enabling certain types of behavior. Plus there is a big difference from liking a post and being friendly towards someone at an industry event and performing at their own concert. We can agree to disagree on this. Also I've never once been a fan of Kane Brown's, think he is okay but other that "What Ifs" would never purchase anything of his or go out of my way to listen to him. Also John Mayer is someone I've never liked so w/e with mentioning him. If you quit listening to anybody associated with Wallen or Aldean that cuts out 90% of country music. Do you do this with all genres of music or is country music set to a higher standard for you? Anybody associated with Eminem, Chris Brown, Elvis Presley, Motley Crue, Marilyn Manson, Snoop Dogg, needs to be taken immediately off your playlist. This is why I’ve basically stopped listening to country music. I grew up on country and miss when I could obsessively follow the charts, listen to the countdowns, look forward to the award shows. I just don’t care anymore. As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I just can’t in good faith listen to a genre in which so many artists openly hate people like me. I even used to like a few Aldean songs, but it makes me sick to hear his stuff anymore. It also says a lot about the kind of person he is (as if we didn’t already know) that he goes out of his way to mention Maren just to get the audience riled up and to get attention (guess it worked…). I’m disappointed in Miranda, but still love her and understand why she went out there like she did. And I’ll be forever grateful for artists like Maren for speaking up publicly and supporting marginalized communities. It’s just unfortunate that a community of angry, vile people have made her feel unsafe and unwelcome.
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Post by 3chords on Oct 17, 2022 11:06:22 GMT -5
I’m not sure if I already brought up that Miranda and Morgan share a publicist (along with EC & KC), but for everyone expressing disappointment and asking for an apology, since everything is much deeper & business-oriented in any industry than it appears to us on the surface… I doubt they’re encouraging her to make a statement or address an issue that would also involve another one of their clients who people already hate. If I were the publicist I would have had Miranda at that show to help Morgan’s reputation. Unfortunately we all know how associating with him is still going @ Kelsea. I saw it and understand it, but it's also the exact kind of systemic thing that allows poor behavior to continue. It takes an artist like Lambert - who has enough standing in the industry to not only have a point get heard, but to not fear the publicist dropping her - to refuse the request of the publicist. In your example, if Lambert agreed to make an appearance to help Wallen's reputation, that would actually make me think worse of her (and for the record I am not saying that's why she did it, I am just using the example provided). Oh yea she 1000% has her own relationship with Jason outside of this aspect. But if you’re the publicist and you’re steering her ship then I imagine there’s a thought process that is more involved than just Miranda. Miranda is also a fairly newer client of hers. I think just since January maybe. I’m just thinking of the Morgan, Eric and Darius photo ops. B/c Darius is at the company too. A lot of things end up being connected to some extent. But yes I get what you mean about being a bigger artist. I just don’t think that crosses her mind unfortunately.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 17, 2022 18:19:18 GMT -5
Edit: And I swear to God, if I see one more "Please show me where _________ was said, I'm confused", I'm going to record a video tutorial on how to use "Command F" to go back and look back ten minutes into one's own posting history I assume this is directed to me even though for some reason you aren't being direct about it, and I swear to god I didn't say what I was being accused of. I did in fact go back and look at my posting history. I also still haven't received a reply to my request of where I said Lambert was "a s**tty person" since I was accused of that - because I never did. If you are going to be a mod or whatever you are, you should be neutral. Trolling posts include posts where people are accused of things they never said. Trolling posts also include posts where people intentionally use the wrong username when addressing someone, as happened to me in this thread. Please address those things as well.Well you didn't even ask where you said she was a s**tty person anyway. Both of your posts were like "show me where anyone said _______". Other people's criticisms were not even directed at you, they were directed to the conversation in general. But anyway, the point is, you are not arguing in good faith when you make comments like that, because the intent is to take someone's feelings and invalidate them by interpreting them in the most literal possible sense. Like, people may not have directly said Miranda is a s**tty person, but can you blame her fans for arriving at that conclusion when the conversation goes from "Miranda performed with Jason Aldean" to "I am disappointed in her" to "given the fact that she opened a Mexican food restaurant once, this doesn't surprise me" to "I can no longer support her" in a rapid series of posts? Something doesn't have to literally be said for people to feel like the level of criticism is unfair; implication is just as important in a conversation like this. And using that literal interpretation to negate people's feelings by pretending all the nuance behind their opinions doesn't exist is exactly why people frequently accuse you of wokeist sensationalism rather than trying to have genuine discussions. As far as addressing other things, that was what I did when I said (in a quite literal sense), "there are a few posts that are coming dangerously close to trolling and/or personal attacks, from people who are just here to stir the pot. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion other than gotcha attempts and/or belittling other people's opinions, then we probably don't need your contributions."
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 17, 2022 19:51:32 GMT -5
I assume this is directed to me even though for some reason you aren't being direct about it, and I swear to god I didn't say what I was being accused of. I did in fact go back and look at my posting history. I also still haven't received a reply to my request of where I said Lambert was "a s**tty person" since I was accused of that - because I never did. If you are going to be a mod or whatever you are, you should be neutral. Trolling posts include posts where people are accused of things they never said. Trolling posts also include posts where people intentionally use the wrong username when addressing someone, as happened to me in this thread. Please address those things as well.Well you didn't even ask where you said she was a s**tty person anyway. Both of your posts were like "show me where anyone said _______". Other people's criticisms were not even directed at you, they were directed to the conversation in general. But anyway, the point is, you are not arguing in good faith when you make comments like that, because the intent is to take someone's feelings and invalidate them by interpreting them in the most literal possible sense. Like, people may not have directly said Miranda is a s**tty person, but can you blame her fans for arriving at that conclusion when the conversation goes from "Miranda performed with Jason Aldean" to "I am disappointed in her" to "given the fact that she opened a Mexican food restaurant once, this doesn't surprise me" to "I can no longer support her" in a rapid series of posts? Something doesn't have to literally be said for people to feel like the level of criticism is unfair; implication is just as important in a conversation like this. And using that literal interpretation to negate people's feelings by pretending all the nuance behind their opinions doesn't exist is exactly why people frequently accuse you of wokeist sensationalism rather than trying to have genuine discussions. As far as addressing other things, that was what I did when I said (in a quite literal sense), "there are a few posts that are coming dangerously close to trolling and/or personal attacks, from people who are just here to stir the pot. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion other than gotcha attempts and/or belittling other people's opinions, then we probably don't need your contributions." This post and this post literally put statements in quotes that were not stated; putting statements in quotes goes beyond making an inference. Additionally that first post was also made before anything about a Mexican food restaurant was mentioned.
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Post by drock89 on Oct 18, 2022 13:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by nncountrykid on Oct 19, 2022 8:10:31 GMT -5
I mean, Miranda has repeatedly slept with other people's spouses and cheated on her own, so I'm a little surprised anyone thinks she's thinking about anything other than herself, in this situation or beyond. People are who they show you they are. I'm not saying she agrees with Jason or Morgan but if she likes both of them, I don't think she's thinking about anything else when she decides to go to the show and perform.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 19, 2022 23:44:21 GMT -5
I mean, Miranda has repeatedly slept with other people's spouses and cheated on her own, so I'm a little surprised anyone thinks she's thinking about anything other than herself, in this situation or beyond. People are who they show you they are. I'm not saying she agrees with Jason or Morgan but if she likes both of them, I don't think she's thinking about anything else when she decides to go to the show and perform. Did I miss something somewhere? When did this come out?!?
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