Nelly/Tim Over and Over

[smack]

Ok, someone's gotta post this.  It seems like there are 2 stations picking this up currently, and it's starting to pick up at AC stations, also.  I'm wondering if it'll muster enough strength to crack top 60?  I had posted another post regarding what to think for 2005 musically...and a non-country song crossing over to country was one of the things I mentioned.  (I can't find that post, however).  I will try to keep searching though, as I'm curious if I ever even posted it lol, or if anyone replied.

Anyways, I had thought/predicted that at least 1 more pop song was crossing over to country....we've had "picture", "first cut is the deepest", "heaven" so far in the last few years.....what's next?

[drock89]

Dear God,

I pray that you will murder the PDs spinning rap music on a country station just because a country singer who is never accused of crossing over sings on it. And Father, please don't let the song go much higher on the country chart.

Amen.

[smack]

lol, when did u become so religious?

shaniagotchagood said:

Dear God,

I pray that you will murder the PDs spinning rap music on a country station just because a country singer who is never accused of crossing over sings on it. And Father, please don't let the song go much higher on the country chart.

Amen.

[drock89]

smack said:

lol, when did u become so religious?

Just wanted to put in a favor with the guy upstairs ;)

[Dustin J.]

shaniagotchagood said:

Dear God,

I pray that you will murder the PDs spinning rap music on a country station just because a country singer who is never accused of crossing over sings on it. And Father, please don't let the song go much higher on the country chart.

Amen.

That's funny right there. I don't care who ya are.........

[drock89]

Dustin said:

That's funny right there. I don't care who ya are.........

GIT R DONE!!!! ;)

[automyskin89]

I love this song. I hope it's #1 FOREVER! j/k, I die if that happened, it will soon b/come very annoying. I've only heard it like 10 times, so that's why it hasn't annoyed me yet. I don't listen to that radio that much, I find my music news here, haha...

[Marv]

To put it bluntly 'O&O' doesn't belong on a country station under ANY circumstances any more than 'Live Like You Were Dying' belongs on a CHR/Pop station

The country format has made a VERY pronounced return to its country roots over the past forty months, and 'O&O' is NOT a country song under any stretch of the imagination.

[Keith3000]

Marv said:

To put it bluntly 'O&O' doesn't belong on a country station under ANY circumstances any more than 'Live Like You Were Dying' belongs on a CHR/Pop station

[jimmy74747]

Marv said:

To put it bluntly 'O&O' doesn't belong on a country station under ANY circumstances any more than 'Live Like You Were Dying' belongs on a CHR/Pop station

The country format has made a VERY pronounced return to its country roots over the past forty months, and 'O&O' is NOT a country song under any stretch of the imagination.

Agree with you on O&O, but Pop stations are supposed to play what's popular (hence the name pop), whether its rock, AC, rap, or even country. If pop radio can play Shania, Faith, or "Achy Breaky Heart", they can play Tim McGraw, so long as the audience demands it.

[Marv]

Yes, but the problem with CHR/Pop radio these days is that it plays FAR more rhythmic music than it should, and it's essentially blown off the millions of adult listeners who were largely responsible for the format's staggering successes during the eighties, as well as stupendous CD sales.

The format has gotten narrower and narrower insofar as its targeted audience (12-24) is concerned, and isn't even remotely close to being the MASS-APPEAL format it was designed to be.

I pointed out last year that 'Soak Up The Sun', a quintesessential pop song if there ever was one, couldn't crack R&Rs CHR/Pop top 10, yet spent TWO MONTHS @ #1 on their Hot AC chart, a clear indication that CHR/Pop statsions nationwide have blown off adult listeners by the millions over the past four or five years.

The fact that artists who used to be staples at the format are no longer wlecome at CHR/Pop is a dead giveaway as well; hence the dwindling ratings at many CHR/Pop stations over the past fifteen years, with the SIXTY percent decline in ratings @ KIIS-FM in L A an absolute dead giveaway.

That would include some of the biggest artists of the eighties and early nineties, including Daryl Hall & John Oates, Sting, Roxette, Don Henley, Bruce Springsteen, Huey Lewis, Sheryl Crow, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie, John Mellencamp, Phil Collins, Elton John, Celine Dion, and TONS of other artists who get ZERO airplay at CHR/Pop these days.

[drock89]

Hypocrisy is afoot, Watson
-- Rumor has it, a few country stations are actually playing the song "Over And Over," by rapper Nelly, featuring Tim McGraw. Would these be the same people who claim that Shania Twain isn't country enough?

---countrynation.com

My point exactly!

[JCMF3]

Marv said:

Yes, but the problem with CHR/Pop radio these days is that it plays FAR more rhythmic music than it should, and it's essentially blown off the millions of adult listeners who were largely responsible for the format's staggering successes during the eighties, as well as stupendous CD sales.

The format has gotten narrower and narrower insofar as its targeted audience (12-24) is concerned, and isn't even remotely close to being the MASS-APPEAL format it was designed to be.

I pointed out last year that 'Soak Up The Sun', a quintesessential pop song if there ever was one, couldn't crack R&Rs CHR/Pop top 10, yet spent TWO MONTHS @ #1 on their Hot AC chart, a clear indication that CHR/Pop statsions nationwide have blown off adult listeners by the millions over the past four or five years.

The fact that artists who used to be staples at the format are no longer wlecome at CHR/Pop is a dead giveaway as well; hence the dwindling ratings at many CHR/Pop stations over the past fifteen years, with the SIXTY percent decline in ratings @ KIIS-FM in L A an absolute dead giveaway.

That would include some of the biggest artists of the eighties and early nineties, including Daryl Hall & John Oates, Sting, Roxette, Don Henley, Bruce Springsteen, Huey Lewis, Sheryl Crow, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie, John Mellencamp, Phil Collins, Elton John, Celine Dion, and TONS of other artists who get ZERO airplay at CHR/Pop these days.

Do you just copy and paste these posts? You just say the same thing OVER AND OVER again? (Pun intended).

You keep bringing up the example of "Soak Up The Sun" like it was supposed to be this huge pop masterpiece, but the fact is, even in the past, songs that have performed well on Hot AC have received less than the same attention on pop radio. Take "Kind And Generous" by Natalie Merchant. The song soared to #2 on HAC and spent a long time on the chart, but on pop radio the song only peaked at #13. Also take Elton John's "Something About The Way You Look Tonight" which was a huge AC smash and a lesser so but still decent HAC hit. That song also did not do so well on pop radio, peaking at #22.

Some of the artists you listed up there are artists that are not even putting out new projects anymore. Pop radio is supposed to play "popular" music, and while I hear your rants about too much rhythmic on pop stations - consider this. Some of the biggest markets that have lost their audience in pop radio have seen their RHY and Urban stations soar in audience. This is certainly the case in Denver and other places across the country.

The answer to the problem is not to introduce older artists to the format. Instead, it is for pop PDs to diversify their playlists more. Period. I don't care to hear Hall & Oates on a pop station, but I certainly would love to hear some more pop-rock and alternative songs to be spun on the stations.

[ultramixmarv]

JCMF3 said:

Do you just copy and paste these posts?  You just say the same thing OVER AND OVER again?  (Pun intended).

You keep bringing up the example of "Soak Up The Sun" like it was supposed to be this huge pop masterpiece, but the fact is, even in the past, songs that have performed well on Hot AC have received less than the same attention on pop radio.  Take "Kind And Generous" by Natalie Merchant.  The song soared to #2 on HAC and spent a long time on the chart, but on pop radio the song only peaked at #13.  Also take Elton John's "Something About The Way You Look Tonight" which was a huge AC smash and a lesser so but still decent HAC hit.  That song also did not do so well on pop radio, peaking at #22.

Some of the artists you listed up there are artists that are not even putting out new projects anymore.  Pop radio is supposed to play "popular" music, and while I hear your rants about too much rhythmic on pop stations - consider this.  Some of the biggest markets that have lost their audience in pop radio have seen their RHY and Urban stations soar in audience.  This is certainly the case in Denver and other places across the country.

The answer to the problem is not to introduce older artists to the format.  Instead, it is for pop PDs to diversify their playlists more.  Period.  I don't care to hear Hall & Oates on a pop station, but I certainly would love to hear some more pop-rock and alternative songs to be spun on the stations.

I think that's the problem with radio these days period. People already know what they want & don't want from a new or old artist b4 they even hear the first note. I say if it's a hit and a PD thinks it'll work on POP play it, if not don't. It's really funny how every station seems to copy one another with no guts to try something different. I love KSTZ i believe it is in DES Moines. That PD adds songs from time to time that are not even singles because they are hits. That's radio, that's how it used to be. Sure alot of the same songs will be on every playlist but I'd like to see more of like what Mercyme did with "ICOI" and ignite from 1 station to another bypassing clear channel telling what to play. PD's have the responsibility to play hits, the fans can never request them if they never get played.

[musicbuff78]

I live in Des Moines. What frequency is KSTZ on? I think I know which station you are talking about but want to be sure.

The reason I NEVER request anymore is because the lists are already played out anyways. If I were to request a song to a station, it would be to one that I know is not monitored by any of the big publications.

[Marv]

I'm NOT pasting my replies, but every artist I listed has released new material this decade, and CHR/Pop flat-out ignored them.

Insofar as Elton's 'SATWYLT' goes, I totally agree with you; it did go to #1 on the AC charts, but since AC and CHR/Pop share FAR fewer lsiteners than they did fiteen years ago ago (due to CHR's overloading their playlists with rap), AC stations sound more mass-appeal than CHR/pop stations do these days.

Since CHR/Pop has copied CHR/Rhythm formatted-stations and focused on 12-24 year olds, as is obviously the case, then so be it, as long as they can put up with the so-so to just plain lousy ratings that LOTS of once powerhouse CHR/Pop stations have these days as opposed to 15 or 20 years ago.

Barry Mayo, of Emmis Radio was quoted as saying in R&R recently that the objectives of (CHR/Rhythmic powerhouse WQHT in NYC) are twofold...

1)---Service 12-24 year old listeners

2)---Bring new listeners to the format.

The question STILL remains; why have most of the nation's CHR/Pop stations copied the local CHR/Rhytmic competitor, with mostly disastrous results as the inevitable result.

Narrowing CHR/Pop's targeted audience has also had a SEVERE impact of CD sales as well; none of the core artists at CHR/Pop today have the mass appeal that Mariah, Whitney, Elton, Michael Jackson, George Michael and others have had during the past twenty-plus years, and CD sales have undoubtedly suffered as a result.