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Post by Aaron on Dec 9, 2013 15:01:31 GMT -5
Also, for the lulz
LATIN URBAN 4 +6 KATY PERRY Dark Horse 54 +8 31 +8 0.735 +0.126 +8 spins +8 bullet +0.126 AI
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Post by heybren22 on Dec 9, 2013 15:02:01 GMT -5
So where is lagbaja when a Katy Perry song is #18 on iTunes (700k already sold) without even adds date? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Oh, he'll come here when it gets announced as the third single, with his infamous MO.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 9, 2013 15:23:39 GMT -5
Once will become official this will fly up on the charts. It's just remarcable how this little song is fighting for his right to be a single. Go Dark Horse and don't stop until you reach #1 ! :) Katy shouldve let the markets dictate what becomes a single especially when it was clear early on that Unconditional wasnt going to work.
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Post by velaxti on Dec 9, 2013 17:37:50 GMT -5
Once will become official this will fly up on the charts. It's just remarcable how this little song is fighting for his right to be a single. Go Dark Horse and don't stop until you reach #1 ! :) Katy shouldve let the markets dictate what becomes a single especially when it was clear early on that Unconditional wasnt going to work. I'm not actually sure about that. That sort of thing can work for alternative, R&B/hip hop and rock artists because it seems those formats are likely to give significant spins to album tracks without having to be told to, but that seems rare with actual pop stars. Honestly Dark Horse is the only recent example I can think of (Rihanna had three album tracks going top 50 shortly after her most recent album release, but those were on other formats, not on top 40). It does seem some pop stars just choose whatever song does best on iTunes for their next singles though.
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Post by heybren22 on Dec 9, 2013 17:42:54 GMT -5
If the question about this becoming Single #3 is based on Katy's stubbornness, then I really think someone needs to tell her that, unlike her boyfriend, her "artistry" is mainly dictated by the GP. This is the only choice, any other single she wants can wait, her previous era had 6 (!!) successful singles, and this is only on the first release, PoM and WA excluded.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 9, 2013 17:43:15 GMT -5
Once will become official this will fly up on the charts. It's just remarcable how this little song is fighting for his right to be a single. Go Dark Horse and don't stop until you reach #1 ! :) Katy shouldve let the markets dictate what becomes a single especially when it was clear early on that Unconditional wasnt going to work. You have got to be joking. That's like saying all artists should give up their own integrity and let the public decide their own fate. Nonsense. Streak lost or not, I'm glad she stuck to her guns and did things HER way.
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Post by allow that on Dec 9, 2013 17:53:41 GMT -5
Katy shouldve let the markets dictate what becomes a single especially when it was clear early on that Unconditional wasnt going to work. You have got to be joking. That's like saying all artists should give up their own integrity and let the public decide their own fate. Nonsense. You give Katy too much credit as an "artist." Love her or hate her, she's hardly an artist in the organic sense. She's a pop star. She makes music for the sake of making hits (and making money). Of course business strategy should play a greater part in her single selection than, say, non-radio acts like Arcade Fire or Janelle Monae.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 17:56:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean... why let the label get away with releasing "Dark Horse" when she has artistic brilliance like "Birthday" and "This Is How We Do" that she could release instead?
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 9, 2013 18:56:52 GMT -5
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Post by lagbaja on Dec 9, 2013 19:11:05 GMT -5
So where is lagbaja when a Katy Perry song is #18 on iTunes (700k already sold) without even adds date? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I'm here and I would help as to the whys: well, it is receiving airplay and is being heard like every single sent to radio. Its combined audience impression is even higher than some songs that are actually singles because to programmers, it is a Katy's song and therefore it has to be supported. Secondly she has performed this on tv including being currently very high profile herself with all her promo/visibility saturation. Those sure are factors that help propel sales be it single or album sales. And lucky her, the public seems to like this more than her current single, so good for her.
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Post by Aaron on Dec 9, 2013 20:34:45 GMT -5
So where is lagbaja when a Katy Perry song is #18 on iTunes (700k already sold) without even adds date? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I'm here and I would help as to the whys: well, it is receiving airplay and is being heard like every single sent to radio. Its combined audience impression is even higher than some songs that are actually singles because to programmers, it is a Katy's song and therefore it has to be supported. Secondly she has performed this on tv including being currently very high profile herself with all her promo/visibility saturation. Those sure are factors that help propel sales be it single or album sales. And lucky her, the public seems to like this more than her current single, so good for her. The CW special that drew in less than 800K viewers? Good gawd, I can't imagine the numbers if she performed this on the Grammys in front of 42 million viewers. :/
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Post by heybren22 on Dec 9, 2013 21:32:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean... why let the label get away with releasing "Dark Horse" when she has artistic brilliance like "Birthday" and "This Is How We Do" that she could release instead? I'm not sure you're being sarcastic (slow day here). But if this is your legit opinion, then all I have to say is: if they release anything while DH is still going this strong, there's the chance that DH will not only be prejudicial for Unc but also for Birthday/TIHWD/whatever else, while also not getting the official push to rocket to #1. They'll be losing two smashes because of not giving in to what the GP wants first ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 9, 2013 23:36:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean... why let the label get away with releasing "Dark Horse" when she has artistic brilliance like "Birthday" and "This Is How We Do" that she could release instead? I'm not sure you're being sarcastic (slow day here). But if this is your legit opinion, then all I have to say is: if they release anything while DH is still going this strong, there's the chance that DH will not only be prejudicial for Unc but also for Birthday/TIHWD/whatever else, while also not getting the official push to rocket to #1. They'll be losing two smashes because of not giving in to what the GP wants first ![](http://images.proboards.com/tongue.gif) I said that would happen and look it happened.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 23:47:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean... why let the label get away with releasing "Dark Horse" when she has artistic brilliance like "Birthday" and "This Is How We Do" that she could release instead? "This Is How We Do" is heinous, but why are you dragging "Birthday"? I mean, it would sound better if Ariana Grande were singing it, but it's effortless, carefree pop. It reminds me of "Teenage Dream" (the song) and "Hummingbird Heartbeat." "Birthday" will be huge, eventually, but "Dark Horse" (the album's other highlight) needs to come first for obvious reasons. It's dated. It sounds too 2010-2011. I think it could have been a decent sized hit if it were released from Teenage Dream, but I don't think it's a smash for 2014.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Dec 9, 2013 23:54:58 GMT -5
"International Smile" fits the 2010-2011 bill. The only thing that sounds 2010 about "Birthday" is the Teenage Dream melody. Weren't you all about "Treasure"? LOL.
Regardless, I think both will smash, but this obviously isn't a topic about other album cuts.
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Post by B****BetterGetNOSL333P on Dec 10, 2013 0:38:03 GMT -5
"Katy's well aware of 'Dark Horse' and we're discussing it," Thompson says. "It might be the next single. Or, due to the play it's getting now, maybe it can never have a full campaign as a single. We're watching it – and certainly appreciating the airplay – while still wanting 'Unconditionally' to have a full run." DH better be the 3rd single!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 0:52:48 GMT -5
"International Smile" fits the 2010-2011 bill. The only thing that sounds 2010 about "Birthday" is the Teenage Dream melody. Weren't you all about "Treasure"? LOL. Regardless, I think both will smash, but this obviously isn't a topic about other album cuts. This sounds like that because it's Dr. Luke and Max Martin. I don't think "Treasure" has that sound (and wasn't done Dr. Luke and Max Martin). "Birthday" has the sound of recent flops like "American Girl" and "It's My Party". That sound is out.
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Post by allow that on Dec 10, 2013 0:56:37 GMT -5
I just listened to "Birthday" for the first time. I definitely hear both "Teenage Dream" and "Treasure" there but am I the only one who thinks it sounds more '99 than '11? I can't pinpoint it but it has some sort of turn of the century nostalgia for some reason.
Also wtf are "American Girl" and "It's My Party"? Literally never heard of them.
ANYWAY yea the single NEEDS to be "Dark Horse."
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 10, 2013 0:59:46 GMT -5
I think they would be crazy to send anything but DH unless it suddenly collapses right now. It is obviously what consumers and radio want. I think any other single would have to contend with DH taking away attention/spins/sales. They can go probably at least 5 deep if not 6 with this cd and radio will play it all so there is no reason not to have this as one of the singles then Legendary Lovers/Birthday/whatever else.
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 10, 2013 1:18:17 GMT -5
Also wtf are "American Girl" and "It's My Party"? Literally never heard of them. "American Girl" was by Bonnie McKee (who's written a bunch of hits over the past few years, notably with Katy Perry, and this was her first single since 2004). It sounded like 2010 Katy Perry and reached the 20s on CHR in summer, not sure if anyone outside of pop forums cared about it. "It's My Party" was by Jessie J and was her second single from her latest album; I don't believe it had a US release but in the UK it had a #3 debut and was irrelevant a month later. It sounded like "Domino"... with undesirable lyrics and singing. Neither are worth your time!
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 10, 2013 2:27:34 GMT -5
Legendary Lovers, Ghost and Love Me before Walking on Air, Birthday, and International Smile please.
Actually. Anything before International Smile. It's cringeworthy and the only song I skip.
1) Roar 2) Unconditonally 3) Dark Horse 4) This is How We Do 5) Legendary Lovers
Re-release or end the era. While I love Ghost and Love Me, they'll end up the HH of this era.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 10, 2013 2:30:33 GMT -5
P.s. This reminds me of what happened to Walk Away when Kelly released it. I remember Z100 spinning Gone at the time.
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Post by lagbaja on Dec 10, 2013 5:24:39 GMT -5
I'm here and I would help as to the whys: well, it is receiving airplay and is being heard like every single sent to radio. Its combined audience impression is even higher than some songs that are actually singles because to programmers, it is a Katy's song and therefore it has to be supported. Secondly she has performed this on tv including being currently very high profile herself with all her promo/visibility saturation. Those sure are factors that help propel sales be it single or album sales. And lucky her, the public seems to like this more than her current single, so good for her. The CW special that drew in less than 800K viewers? Good gawd, I can't imagine the numbers if she performed this on the Grammys in front of 42 million viewers. :/ I wonder why you bolded one factor? See, a song reaching ears and selling incorporates a combination of factors and my point is, this song already has enough of those factors going for it to propel its sales and isn't just selling out of the blues on itself. Promo is always cumulative.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 10, 2013 7:16:38 GMT -5
This keeps going the way it's going and they'll just make themselves look like complete and utter idiots if they try to push anything else as single #3.
POP: 45 41 KATY PERRY Dark Horse 941 676 265 7.945
+42 Spins +14 Bullet +0.128 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 44 41 KATY PERRY Dark Horse 520 455 65 2.826
+19 Spins +22 Bullet +0.053 Audience
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 10, 2013 9:49:14 GMT -5
Pop radio needs to take control on this one. Katy and her record company are not getting the message.
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Post by heybren22 on Dec 10, 2013 10:01:48 GMT -5
Legendary Lovers, Ghost and Love Me before Walking on Air, Birthday, and International Smile please. Actually. Anything before International Smile. It's cringeworthy and the only song I skip. 1) Roar 2) Unconditonally 3) Dark Horse 4) This is How We DoBirthday/Walking on Air 5) Legendary Lovers/Birthday Re-release or end the era. While I love Ghost and Love Me, they'll end up the HH of this era. I think that would do better! And depending on the success of LL, I'd be fine with Ghost being released at the same spot that TOTGA got a release last era. True about Love Me being the HH of this era though.
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Post by B****BetterGetNOSL333P on Dec 10, 2013 11:01:03 GMT -5
Love Me? mmm.... I'm a KatyCat but I really don't care for LOVE ME. LOVE ME is not on the same level as HH, HH is a way much better song. I just hope DARK HORSE to be the next single, it's always been my favorite song off PRISM since day one ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif)
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Post by NeRD on Dec 10, 2013 11:29:56 GMT -5
You have got to be joking. That's like saying all artists should give up their own integrity and let the public decide their own fate. Nonsense. You give Katy too much credit as an "artist." Love her or hate her, she's hardly an artist in the organic sense. She's a pop star. She makes music for the sake of making hits (and making money). Of course business strategy should play a greater part in her single selection than, say, non-radio acts like Arcade Fire or Janelle Monae. I love it. And I agree. they would be stupid as FuCk if they dont go with Dark Horse next.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Dec 10, 2013 11:48:54 GMT -5
"Legendary Lovers" should follow "Dark Horse". Its oriental elements à la "Come & Get It" are very well worked out. Anyway, "Dark Horse" is (almost) confirmed as the third single: ![](http://oi44.tinypic.com/2gvkf4p.jpg) KATY PERRY - Dark Horse: 10.908 957 spins (Pop) 539 spins (Rhythmic)
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Post by Aaron on Dec 10, 2013 12:13:41 GMT -5
Adds date soon?
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