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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 8:41:53 GMT -5
Let's compare apples to apples.... shall we? Shania does not sing "country" when she tours abroad. Actually, according to concert reviews, she used the "Pop" version for more than half of the songs on the US leg of the "Up!" tour. When Shania tours she concentrates on creating a show for everyones taste. Not all people care for genres and all that petty crap, when people pay money to go and see someone they just want to hear good music. I've seen Shania live and you can't really catagorize exactly what genre her concerts are, she boarderlines Country/Pop/Rock...although I guess you could label her "Country, with a kick!". Besides it doesn't even matter what genre Shania is, as long as Shania is bringing money into the country industry (it was reported she makes up 70% of Mercury's entire profits) she deserves to be included in their award shows, not "shunned" out every single year.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 8:52:05 GMT -5
When Shania tours she concentrates on creating a show for everyones taste. Not all people care for genres and all that petty crap, when people pay money to go and see someone they just want to hear good music. I've seen Shania live and you can't really catagorize exactly what genre her concerts are, she boarderlines Country/Pop/Rock...although I guess you could label her "Country, with a kick!". . That's why she's never gotten any respect or musical credibility, always so preoccupied with making her shows homogeneous and all-encompassing, that her true voice (literally AND figuratively) gets lost. It's all about reaching as many people as possible, without any thought for true musical honesty. Shania already did everything she dreamed of and more, commercially speaking...I thought that after COO, she would feel she had nothing to prove, and MAYBE, just maybe she would follow her heart and do music from the inside...what a disappointment to see that UP was a carbon copy of the same pop-driven formules, times 4.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 9:09:58 GMT -5
FrancineLangeInNY, you're like a broken record.....seriously, get over yourself and stop posting the same old drivel over and over and over and over....
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Post by Free2Bme on Mar 22, 2005 9:18:42 GMT -5
My point exactly. Shania's tour (especially abroad) can not be compared to a show that plays ALL country. When Shania tours she concentrates on creating a show for everyones taste. Not all people care for genres and all that petty crap, when people pay money to go and see someone they just want to hear good music. [B}I've seen Shania live and you can't really catagorize exactly what genre her concerts are,[/B}.
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Post by Free2Bme on Mar 22, 2005 9:21:02 GMT -5
*pulling my hair out* Besides it doesn't even matter what genre Shania is, as long as Shania is bringing money into the country industry (it was reported she makes up 70% of Mercury's entire profits) she deserves to be included in their award shows, not "shunned" out every single year.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 9:27:22 GMT -5
My point exactly. Shania's tour (especially abroad) can not be compared to a show that plays ALL country. What do you mean by "especially abroad"? ??? The gigs she played in Europe were the same as what she played in the US.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 9:33:18 GMT -5
Well if Nashville have no problem nominating artists like Tim McGraw, Martina and Big & Rich then why not Shania? They aren't exactly "traditional country" either and at least Shania has enourmous success to back herself up.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 9:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 9:46:05 GMT -5
My point exactly. Shania's tour (especially abroad) can not be compared to a show that plays ALL country. Many artists no longer play ALL country. Some of Martina's songs sound like pop power ballads. So is a Martina show no longer a country show? How about Faith? Or Kenny? If Gretchen Wilson jams with Big and Rich at a show, that's not traditional country to many folks. If you're going to analyze shows to see who plays 100% country from start to finish and who doesn't, you're going to find alot of acts in the "not 100% country" catagory next to Shania.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 9:48:27 GMT -5
Why pull your hair out at that? That exact statement has been echoed by Reba, Toby, Vince, and many of Shania's peers, who have a better perspective on things than either you or I do, or anyone else on an internet message board, for that matter.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 9:52:55 GMT -5
What do you mean by "especially abroad"? ??? The gigs she played in Europe were the same as what she played in the US. I agree. Pure pop spectacles, devoid of any soul, substance or anything even remotely country... It was laughable all the fireworks and children on stage to distract from the fact that she was A-lipsynching and B- putting on a mediocre pop circus.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 9:56:17 GMT -5
Excellent. I see that as usual, Shania's numbers were grossly inflated by some fans...someone even mentioned 120 million gross for her tour. Clearly, it wasn't even 40 million.... And even with higher ticket prices she still couldn't outgross Toby, Tim or Kenney. Congrats to them!
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 9:57:56 GMT -5
LMAO! I think people who have actually been to a Shania concert have a MUCH more valid opinion on what she does and doesn't do on stage, as opposed to people who profess to hate her and have never seen her live. 1) She doesn't lipsynch in concert. You're once again wrong. 2) She has about as much pyro as any other act today, and probably less than most. You're once again wrong. Don't you hate being proven wrong all the time?
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Post by Free2Bme on Mar 22, 2005 9:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by Free2Bme on Mar 22, 2005 10:03:36 GMT -5
Why? Re-read Love4Shania's statement. " Besides it doesn't even matter what genre Shania is, as long as Shania is bringing money into the country industry (it was reported she makes up 70% of Mercury's entire profits) she deserves to be included in their award shows, not "shunned" out every single year. " I assert that it does matter what genre an artist is devoted to. Why pull your hair out at that? That exact statement has been echoed by Reba, Toby, Vince, and many of Shania's peers, who have a better perspective on things than either you or I do, or anyone else on an internet message board, for that matter. TEXT
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 10:08:07 GMT -5
Excellent. I see that as usual, Shania's numbers were grossly inflated by some fans...someone even mentioned 120 million gross for her tour. Clearly, it wasn't even 40 million.... And even with higher ticket prices she still couldn't outgross Toby, Tim or Kenney. Congrats to them! LMAO. Oh my gosh, can you even READ?? That link shows. US grosses for 2004. Shania's UP tour started in September 2003 in Canada, it ended in 2004, she took January 2004 off, and spent February thru March of 2004 touring outside of the US. Shania's UP tour ran off and on for roughly an 11-month period. She was only in the US in 2004 from the end of April until the beginning of July. So that link is only tracking a period that ran for less than 3 months. It's a fraction of her overall tour. Once again, you're proven wrong. I love this.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 10:09:06 GMT -5
LMAO! I think people who have actually been to a Shania concert have a MUCH more valid opinion on what she does and doesn't do on stage, as opposed to people who profess to hate her and have never seen her live. I agree with you on that. However I have been to one of her concerts, and just like you said, I have never seen her live. Yep. It was so obvious that she was being "assisted" by electronic means that I was ready to yell at her. But it was amusing to see how much empty spectacle she can cram into one single show. No wonder after 11 years she is still considered a music joke...one of those big selling acts that no matter what they do, never get respect , and people laugh at her because they really consider themselves "artists" and they complain about nobody respecting them...
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 10:09:54 GMT -5
Why? Re-read Love4Shania's statement. " Besides it doesn't even matter what genre Shania is, as long as Shania is bringing money into the country industry (it was reported she makes up 70% of Mercury's entire profits) she deserves to be included in their award shows, not "shunned" out every single year. " I assert that it does matter what genre an artist is devoted to. TEXTOk, that makes more sense, in that context. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 10:10:48 GMT -5
My point exactly. Shania's tour (especially abroad) can not be compared to a show that plays ALL country. Well, to be fair, Shania's shows don't have ANYTHING country on them...
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 10:17:35 GMT -5
I agree with you on that. However I have been to one of her concerts, and just like you said, I have never seen her live. Yep. It was so obvious that she was being "assisted" by electronic means that I was ready to yell at her. But it was amusing to see how much empty spectacle she can cram into one single show. Yes, Shania's frequent ad-libs and occasional flubbed lines at her live shows are all on a recorded track too, right? (hey, I'm a fan, and I admit she flubs lines once in awhile) I think it's clear who the joke is around here. And if you saw her live, then tell me - how long was the pryo in her show? Her UP! pyro lasted less than a minute total for the entire show. That's a fact. Yet you claim she uses it for distraction. How can a minute of anything disctract from a nearly 2-hour show? Nevermind the fact that all of the pyro occured when she wasn't actually singing, such as before the show started and after the show's finale...
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 10:23:19 GMT -5
Nevermind the fact that all of the pyro occured when she wasn't actually singing, such as before the show started and after the show's finale... When was she actually singing? (unless you call an electronically droned out voice,singing...)
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 10:30:16 GMT -5
And the troll continues to dodge the questions, and doesn't have the stones to admit when he's proven wrong.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 11:11:16 GMT -5
FrancineLangeInNY just stop, all you are doing is embarrassing yourself and showing how pathetiic you are.
Shania does NOT lipsynch her concerts, anyone who has seen her live would know that. This is why you should be banned because you are nothing more then a troll who likes to spread lies and crap around! You say that Shania has no artistic credability.....well, 80 Million album sales says that YOU are WRONG!
It is funny how whenever you comment on something you try and make your opinion speak for everyones when in reality no one even agrees with you! It is you and your posts that lack credability and the only thing you can back your statements up with is lies and BS.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 11:16:01 GMT -5
On the CMT boards, his lies get repeated over and over, because his posts end up being deleted over and over. On here, his lies remain permanent fixtures for everybody to see, and to show the kind of troll he really is. Every time he posts, he's only hurting his own credibility. I find it quite funny.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Mar 22, 2005 11:34:36 GMT -5
I don't understand why you all keep arguing with NY. Just drop it, let them have the last post and just drop the subject.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 22, 2005 11:37:19 GMT -5
Why? Re-read Love4Shania's statement. " Besides it doesn't even matter what genre Shania is, as long as Shania is bringing money into the country industry (it was reported she makes up 70% of Mercury's entire profits) she deserves to be included in their award shows, not "shunned" out every single year. " I assert that it does matter what genre an artist is devoted to. TEXTI said that because all the mainstream country artists today that people keep labelling as "pop" or "not country" just boils down to opinion. Shania for example, people can label her "not country" all they like but in reality her music is not 100% pop and it definatly has a country element to it. Some of Shania's songs are obviously more country then others and vice verca, but if you have an ear for music then you would see a CLEAR difference between the music Shania makes and that of, for example....Britney Spears, who is a full on pop artist.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 22, 2005 11:45:02 GMT -5
I don't understand why you all keep arguing with NY. Just drop it, let them have the last post and just drop the subject. You have a point. But when someone posts lies about an artist, it's natural for fans of the artist to stand up for the truth. I think it's understandable for Shania fans (or fans of any artist) to want the truth to be presented. The problem isn't the fans who defend, the problem is the troll who attacks.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 11:45:36 GMT -5
The only difference between Shania's music and Britney's is that Britney's isn't marketed as "country" Just like Shania, Spears creates vacuous, empty ear candy, but at least she doesn't pretend that it's art or anything but forgettable pop.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 22, 2005 12:03:46 GMT -5
All posts not discussing Country's Infallible Stars will be deleted. You people are unbearable.
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Post by FrancineLangeInNY on Mar 22, 2005 12:11:12 GMT -5
Who do you think rules the roost in contemporary country music? I'm talking about the person who can do no wrong, has success on the charts, with sales, concerts, etc. The person, in short, who is going nowhere. Today? As of today? Gretchen Wilson Kenny Chesney Tim MacGraw Toby Keith Martina MacBride
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