Marv
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Post by Marv on Jul 15, 2005 23:59:33 GMT -5
I heard Nichols premiere a new song from his forthcoming CD om 'After Midnite With Blair Garner' a couple of months ago.
The song was entitled 'Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off', and it wss a SCREAM!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree that 'Don't Ruin It For The Rest of Us' would make a GREAT single; it would be TERRIFIC having that thought provoking song on the radio during these summer months alongside the extraordinary "Arlington' by Trace Adkins, and the stunning new single from Montgomery Gentry'.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 17, 2005 8:15:32 GMT -5
Marv, Kenny is not a lock for the #1 singles artist and not even the #1 male singles artist. Both Tim, Keith and Rascal Flatts are very much in the thick of it.
I was looking at the numbers and actually Keith Urban has a slight lead over Kenny and Tim.
There is still over 4 months left in the year for the singles artist numbers. Kenny's song peaked at #6 that hurt his chances a little, especially since the song is not dropping slowly. So when is his new single coming out? For a November 8th release it is really too early for the single to come out at least not for3-4 more weeks, so that will hurt his numbers.
Keith has a new single coming out and his last one is still getting alot of airplay. Tim's current one should go Top 10 next week, so his numbers are increasing. Now comes word that Faith's next single after her current one is the duet with Tim. She was on CMT Insider yesterday and they will be visiting her at her new video shooting on July 30th. They said the next single will be the duet.
So if that comes out end of August or beginning of September, that will add to Tim's total since it is listed as a duet. I've heard the song it is going to be a monster hit for them. so that could give Tim the edge over Kenny and Keith.
Either way Kenny is NOT a lock anymore since his last single died quicky on the charts.
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Post by Zazie on Jul 17, 2005 13:31:46 GMT -5
Why is Rascal Flatts considered eligible for #1 male singles honors? Isn't there a separate award for groups? What about groups that have men and women in them? What about the Bellamy Brothers? OK, all questions but the last one are serious.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 17, 2005 16:43:03 GMT -5
Rascal Flatts is not up for Male singles artist but they would be for the overall singles artist and group singles artist. Just trying to point out that Kenny is not a lock for Male singles artist or even overall singles artist like Marv has been saying. I look at the numbers and with a lttle over 4 months left on the charts, Kenny chances dropped some with his last single, not reaching #1 and falling on the charts.
I don't see how he can release another single from his current album with the new one coming out in November and there is no way he would release the new single in July with a November release date. So that is about 3-4 weeks gap there.
So all bets are off and the male singles artist is between Kenny, Tim and Keith Urban and anyone of them could get it and not a one has a advantage over the other.
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Post by drock89 on Jul 17, 2005 20:01:46 GMT -5
I know you won't agree but 6 months in and I would narrow it to either Kenny, Toby, or Keith. I don't think Tim has it, unless he pulls a 'LLYWD' in the end of the year. All the 3 mentioned have advantages of having big singles when Tim slipped (DOJ) and I don't think DYWFWT will be the smash Tim needs to catch up.
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Post by Topay on Jul 17, 2005 20:23:27 GMT -5
Toby flopped even more so than Tim (Mockingbird and the minor hit Honkey Tonk U), so I'm predicting he's out. I think Kenny's relatively weak "Keg" brought Keith Urban back into the running for Male Singles artist, but it wasn't so bad that it took Kenny out.
Singles group should - without a doubt - be Rascal Flatts, with Sugarland coming in a respectable second.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 17, 2005 22:12:53 GMT -5
If you look at ther charts and numbers Toby is out, he is not even close to the other three. His current single helps him some but doesn't even begin to pull him close to the other three. You have to remember for a whole solid year he did not have a #1 and had three songs in a row that didn't burn up the charts and none reach #1 and one didn't even reach Top 20. . On medianase Top 50 most played songs of the year. Tim has three with DYWFWT gaining every week, should go Top 10 next week. Tim's all three songs LLYWD, Back When and Drugs or Jesus or still in that Top 50 played.
The race is between Kenny, Tim and Keith with Tim and Keith having the edge over over Kenny cause of Kenny's last single.
Tim may have the ace in the hole this duet with Faith that will be the next single, I have heard it, and it is the best they have ever done and its country. I have a feeling this will be a monster hit, if so that means Tim will have two songs charting during the last few months and that will put him over the top.
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Post by Marv on Jul 19, 2005 11:22:18 GMT -5
Toby is indeed out of it, one key reason is that 'Stays In Mexico' was absolutely walloped by both 'Back When' and The Woman With You', as well as 'Mockingbird being a mega-flop.
Considering that Kenny and Tim have far more songs for PDs to play than Keith Urban does, I felt that the only way that Tim could reclaim his crown would be if 'Drugs Or Jesus' could match (or come close to) 'Anything But Mine' on the charts, which obviously didn't happen.
Mr. Urban is having a better on year on the charts in 2005 than either Tim or Toby is, he simply doesn't have the volume of music that Kenny and Tim have for PDs to play.
'Bless The Broken Road' appears to be a lock to wind up at #2 for the year, behind the Craig Morgan single, which won't hurt them at all either.
Although Tim has had 22 #1 singles vs. 9 for Kenny, Chesney has four songs in Mediabase's top 50 right now, while Tim has only three.
Since the year-end stats include ALL of the music from all format artists, Chesney & McGraw (and Toby as well) simply have a much larger volume of music for PDs to draw from than Urban does.
Rascal Flatts will undoubtedly finish as the #1 duo or group, supplanting Brooks & Dunn, and Gretchen Wilson will be tops among females for the second consecutive year.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 19, 2005 13:47:33 GMT -5
Like I said you are forgetting what may be a ace in the hole for Tim. The duet with Faith is going to be huge and I'm talking, "It's your love" kinda huge. The song is that good. So if that comes out end of August that could put Tim over the top, over zkenny.
Also when you talk about airplay overall for all genres of music , Tim has every country artist beat. I remember in 2001 he was the 3rd most played artist in all of music that year, he beats all the country artist in that category with his country airplay, his LLYWD airplay on other charts and the Nelly song. I see him being very high on the chart for overall airplay in all of music. Just look his LLYWD is still getting alot of airplay at country and AC and still a year later is very high on the recurrent airplay of alll muisc.
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Post by drock89 on Jul 19, 2005 14:01:55 GMT -5
That Faith duet, probably will count in Faith's name--as her song with him as a guest, like Shania/Billy, Willie/Lee Ann...
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 19, 2005 14:57:44 GMT -5
It is called a duet and Billlboard wil count it as a duet for both. So if it reaches #1 it will a #1 for both Tim and Faith just like their others. Even Bring on the Rain with Tim and JO Dee counted by Billboard for Tim and Jo Dee. This will be no different.
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Post by jacksonfan on Jul 19, 2005 20:28:31 GMT -5
If you look at ther charts and numbers Toby is out, he is not even close to the other three. His current single helps him some but doesn't even begin to pull him close to the other three. You have to remember for a whole solid year he did not have a #1 and had three songs in a row that didn't burn up the charts and none reach #1 and one didn't even reach Top 20. . On medianase Top 50 most played songs of the year. Tim has three with DYWFWT gaining every week, should go Top 10 next week. Tim's all three songs LLYWD, Back When and Drugs or Jesus or still in that Top 50 played. The race is between Kenny, Tim and Keith with Tim and Keith having the edge over over Kenny cause of Kenny's last single. Tim may have the ace in the hole this duet with Faith that will be the next single, I have heard it, and it is the best they have ever done and its country. I have a feeling this will be a monster hit, if so that means Tim will have two songs charting during the last few months and that will put him over the top. Why, why, why must you ALWAYS bring Tim into topics about other people? I know it upsets you to see others succeed - and heaven forbid - to even surpass your precious Timmy - but that is exactly what is happening - that ridiculous song about fries - give me a break - is that the best he can do? I'll take Keg In The Closet anyday of the year!
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Post by Marv on Jul 21, 2005 0:23:12 GMT -5
Here are a few points to hopefully clear this up..
1)---Even if the new Faith/Tim duet hits radio within a month and spends a month at #1, that won't be enough for Tim to overtake Kenny; R&R's chart year ends at midnight (EDT) on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, and I don't think that's enough time for Tim to catch him.
2)---'Anything But Mine' flattened 'Drugs or Jesus' by over 60,000 spins as of midnite last Saturday, and that margin is RISING by over 2,500 spins per WEEK. 'So while 'Live Like You Were Dying' is some 10,000 spins ahead of 'I Go Back' and 'Back When' is at least 25,000 spins ahead of 'The Woman With You', 'Do You Want Fries' With That?' will have to soundly wallop 'Keg In The Closet' for Tim to have a shot, regardless of what that Fath/Tim duet does.
3)---While Kenny won't get the airplay credits he got in 2004 for either 'Hey Good Lookin'" or 'All I Want For Christmas...' which enabled him to obliterate the single year record for most airplay points (10,000,000+), I don't think he'll need those points anyway, especially since R&R's chart year is almost two-thirds complete.
4)----Tim's song is NOT about fries--listen to the STORY; since he's now #10 this week at Mediabase, the song is headed for the top five.
5)---Even if Toby gets anywhere from 4-6 weeks at #1 with 'AGAIOW', he'll unquestionably finish among the top five singles artists of the year, but Kenny & Tim aree both mortal locks to finish ahead of him, and Keith Urban & Rascal Flatts will almost certainly do likewise.
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Post by jimmy74747 on Jul 21, 2005 7:57:43 GMT -5
And remember, Kenny has a new album coming out November 8, which means the new single should hit the air around early September. That song should hit Top 10 within a month, and will challenge for #1 by the end of the chart year. I'm going to see Kenny, Keith, Gretchen Wilson & a few others Saturday night at Gilette Stadium. Can't Wait.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 21, 2005 8:48:23 GMT -5
And remember, Kenny has a new album coming out November 8, which means the new single should hit the air around early September. That song should hit Top 10 within a month, and will challenge for #1 by the end of the chart year. I'm going to see Kenny, Keith, Gretchen Wilson & a few others Saturday night at Gilette Stadium. Can't Wait. Boy you sure have high hopes for Kenny's single, hit Top 10 in 4 weeks would have to be a giant hit to do that even Tim's monster hit took 3 weeks to hit Top 10. I am sure it woill do great but I doubt it hits Top 10 in 4 weeks unless it is beyond awesome. Remember Kenny's Keg song hit Top 10 in 6 weeks and then look what happen, got only as high as #6 and is falling fast and only been on the charts 13 weeks. Some times them slow risers on the ones that do the best and have more staying power.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 21, 2005 8:52:27 GMT -5
Big and Rich have a new album coming out on November 8th too, going to have some competition on them charts. Personally I am buying the Big and Rich one and looking forward too it. Kenny is going to have to show me he has left them island songs behind and gone back to what made me a fan, before I put down on any money on him.
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Post by drock89 on Jul 21, 2005 11:34:53 GMT -5
Big and Rich have a new album coming out on November 8th too, going to have some competition on them charts. Personally I am buying the Big and Rich one and looking forward too it. Kenny is going to have to show me he has left them island songs behind and gone back to what made me a fan, before I put down on any money on him.
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Post by Lee on Jul 21, 2005 14:18:17 GMT -5
I am sure it woill do great but I doubt it hits Top 10 in 4 weeks unless it is beyond awesome. Remember Kenny's Keg song hit Top 10 in 6 weeks and then look what happen, got only as high as #6 and is falling fast and only been on the charts 13 weeks. Some times them slow risers on the ones that do the best and have more staying power. Tim and Kenny Are two of my favorites out their right now, so don't think I'm taking sides, but you gotta realize that "Keg In The Closet" was his 6th single from the WTSGD project. If he releases a song in September it could do as well as Jimmy has predicted being it would be the first single from his album, not sixth as Keg was.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 21, 2005 16:14:21 GMT -5
So it was his six single, if I remember correctly only three went to #1. Just because a artist releases six singles doesn't mean they can't be hits. Rodney Crowell released an album with 5 singles and all five went #1. Tim released six singles from one of his album and 5 went #1 and the other went #2.
So the logic don't work, and I like Kenny too but I seriously doubt he will be Top 10 in 4 weeks.
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Post by drock89 on Jul 21, 2005 16:18:45 GMT -5
What Lee is saying is that debut singles normally have better chances of being hits because they are the first single.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jul 21, 2005 17:07:23 GMT -5
I know that I didn't say that. It will a big hit I'm sure, its Kenny and they played him to death in my area. What I'm saying is I don't think it will be Top 10 in ONLY four weeks. Very few singles ever do that even when they are first singles from new albums.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Jul 22, 2005 11:54:11 GMT -5
So the logic don't work, and I like Kenny too but I seriously doubt he will be Top 10 in 4 weeks. Mississippi Girl made top 10 in 4 weeks...if faith can do it how can you say "seriously doubt" about kenny...also "there goes my life" a kenny 1st cd single hit the top 10 in 4 weeks too.
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