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Post by dcowboy77 on May 24, 2005 10:20:37 GMT -5
MEDIABASE: LW TW Artist Title 15 10 KENNY CHESNEY Keg In The Closet
Congratulations on his 6th top 10 song from the "When the sun goes down" CD !
Along with his recent win as "Entertainer of the year" award and sold out concert tour shows, is there anyone hotter in country today - i don't think so.
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Post by kyhomeg on May 24, 2005 12:34:34 GMT -5
Boring, typical Kenny if it is not a island song, it is a song looking back at this youth, I guess that makes sense since his appeal is to the tenny bopper and college kids.
Is there anyone hotter yes, a real man. Tim Mcgraw instead of the little boy Kenny.
Tim will have his 3rd NBC special this year, and it will be 2 hours long, haven't seen Kenny with one yet. Tim has a starring role in a movie being released in FEB.
By the way Tim's "Everywhere" album not only had 6 top 10 singles released from i , it had 5 #1's AND 1 #2. THAT BEATS KENNY'S ALBUM SINCE HE HAS ONLY HAD 3 #1'S FROM HIS. Also that album has the 1997 and 1998 Song of the Year, Kenny can't say that.
Also the list of Top 10 best selling country artist since 1991, Tim is #5 and Kenny is not even on the list.
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Post by musicfan_84 on May 24, 2005 12:41:20 GMT -5
Uhhh, ok... no need to yell.
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Post by Marv on May 24, 2005 13:19:35 GMT -5
Yelling is not necessary.
Kenny has already clinched being the #1 singles artist of 2005, and Tim will undoubtedly finish #2.
Gretchen Wilson will be #1 among the ladies again.
The bottom line is that KC & TM are both huge artists, and indispensable to all country radio PDs and music fans alike!!!!
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Post by automyskin89 on May 24, 2005 14:27:18 GMT -5
kyhomeg, woke up on the wrong side of the road? ehh...jealous?
I don't like this song that much, IMO one of the weaker songs from his album, which I do love!
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Post by mbgriffith1 on May 24, 2005 14:34:39 GMT -5
Can we just agree that they are both talentless hacks? They can't write music, they can barely play an instrument, their songs are almost always devoid of any originality or meaning, their voices are barely tolerable, and they are only famous because they're good looking. (Although if you ask me Kenny Chesney looks really ugly).
Those are just my two cents. But I wish them both a swift exit from popularity (hopefully all of this country's twelve year old girls change their tastes they will go away... hopefully). Also, I'd like Toby Keith and Big and Rich to fade away soon...
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Post by automyskin89 on May 24, 2005 14:42:49 GMT -5
^since you don't like who is in, who do you like? I do like Kenny, and Tim is just alright.
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Post by mbgriffith1 on May 24, 2005 18:24:16 GMT -5
I like people with talent and originality. Lee Ann Womack, Sara Evans, Hanna McEuen, Sugarland, George Strait, Rachel Proctor, and Chely Wright are the ones that I like that are currently making music.
I liked Randy Travis, Alabama, Reba, Keith Whitley, Lorrie Morgan, Pam Tillis, Dwight Yoakam, and alot of others.
For alt-country purposes, I like Bruce Robison, Radney Foster, Rodney Crowell, and Lyle Lovett.
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Post by dcowboy77 on May 24, 2005 20:02:50 GMT -5
kyhomeg is busting on kenny here and in another post he busts on toby - i guess he is why prozac exists.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Jun 22, 2005 19:01:55 GMT -5
Kenny Chesney's When the Sun Goes Down has been certified quadruple platinum by the RIAA for sales of 4,000,000 copies joining his previous quadruple-platinum offerings, No Shoes, No Shirt, No Problems and Greatest Hits !!!
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 22, 2005 19:53:26 GMT -5
What is the point of coming to an artist's thread to diss him?
Anyway, I actually just got WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN last week and have been enjoying it. My fave right now is "Anything But Mine." Can someone tell me what the 6 singles were and what their peaks were? I can only think of 5 singles.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Jun 22, 2005 20:11:27 GMT -5
This is from Billboard: there goes my life #1. when the sun goes down #1. i go back #2. the woman in you #2. anything but mine #1. keg in the closet #6 (so far).
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Post by Topay on Jun 22, 2005 20:40:50 GMT -5
This is from Billboard:there goes my life #1. when the sun goes down #1. i go back #2. the woman in you #2. anything but mine #1. These hold true for R&R as well.
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Post by Marv on Jun 23, 2005 0:11:56 GMT -5
According to last week's issue of BB, 'Anything But Mine' was his eighth #1 single.
He's also assured of being the #1 singles artist of 2005, just as he was last year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 23, 2005 11:25:00 GMT -5
How is he assured when there are 5 months left in the chart year?
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Post by Marv on Jun 24, 2005 23:11:02 GMT -5
Because the only person with a chance of staying within striking distance lost his chance when he missed the top 10 for the first time in more than EIGHT years.
That artist was Tim McGraw, and the song which did him in was 'Drugs or Jesus', which missed the top 10, while Chesney's 'Anything But Mine' spent two weeks at #1.
The top five singles artists of 2005 will be Chesney, McGraw, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts & Toby Keith, but the order is still up in the air.
Gretchen Wilson will be tops among the ladies again.
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Post by Perp on Jul 14, 2005 19:34:10 GMT -5
Nobody's commented on this song for weeks.
Well, time for a post-mortem on Keg In The Closet, since it's having pretty severe drops in spins and audience now on the daily R&R, and last week on Billboard it had -1.3 million in audience for the week. It's -251 spins for the week on R&R as of today. It has all the hallmarks of having peaked.
The past 4 weeks have been pretty miserable for the song. It's average daily spin change in that time is MINUS 10. The average daily audience change is MINUS 79,000. Yet he started that period at #7 and is still at #7. I guess it helps to be up in the loftier parts of the chart where songs are often separated by millions in audience and hundreds of spins, otherwise performance like that would cost a song dearly in chart position.
His peak on R&R was #6, which he first reached way back on June 5th. Things were looking pretty good on that date. He had moved up 3 positions and had a solid bullet of 329. Things starting going wrong two weeks later when his audience peaked, and then started a slide from which he never fully recovered.
Did anyone expect the song to die this soon? I didn't. I'm not a fan of Kenny, but I figured his A-list status would keep the song moving up higher than this. Had he not managed to just barely eke out a +5 bullet on July 3rd, today would have been his 19th day without one and he would have gone recurrent on R&R for sure this Sunday. Instead, Sunday will be his 14th consecutive day without a bulllet. That's right on the cusp as far as him going recurrent, because I've seen some songs go away with exactly that many days, but some songs haven't.
I know some artists would LOVE to peak at #6 yet I would think this has to be considered something of a flop for Kenny, especially after that quick initial ride up. This is a song that once had a bullet of over 600, after all. I guess it wilted in the face of the competition from Toby, Faith, and Sugarland.
In a sense, this kind of thing restores some of my faith in country radio. A-list stars shouldn't be able to release mediocre material and sit back and have it automatically reach #1. This song didn't test all that well in research (it didn't make Billboard's HitPredictor Chart and never had high passion rankings on CalloutAmerica), so I think it deserved to die after such a relatively short chart run.
[edited because "servere" isn't a word]
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Post by dcowboy77 on Jul 14, 2005 19:45:33 GMT -5
I think the fact too that this is already the 6th single off the cd also increased the odds of a faster burn.
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Post by Perp on Jul 14, 2005 20:08:44 GMT -5
Excellent point! I don't own the CD (like I said I'm not a fan) so that fact didn't enter my mind. SIX SINGLES? SHEESH!
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Post by drock89 on Jul 14, 2005 20:15:38 GMT -5
You know what's really strange--albums with a ton of singles normally chart singles very high. For instance, Shania's "Come On Over" had 11 singles that went Top 40, and 10 made Top 20. And now Kenny with "When The Sun" and Tim with "Live Like You.."
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Post by Jonsolo on Jul 14, 2005 20:37:35 GMT -5
I don't think the #6 peak of this song will "restore my faith in country radio", as I never thought that the label's heart was completely in this one. I think they just needed a song to "buy some time".
I think they were in a bit of a "dilemma zone" when Anything But Mine began to head down in mid-April. The release date for the next album is Nov. 8, and that's as far back as they were wanting to push it, so that it'd be out in time for the Thanksgiving shopping season. (I'm assuming they couldn't move it up to August for various reasons)
That meant that the lead single would be released in mid-August, and a "less than four month" gap was created. They could either stay off the radio for the summer, or just throw something out there to use up those 14-16 weeks, not really caring how it did. I think in the end they were able to cash in on an easy top ten hit without expending too much energy.
If they had really wanted to, I think that (in a world where Toby was able to drag Stays In Mexico kicking and screaming to a #3 peak) Kenny's people could have easily have bettered that #6 showing.
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Post by Zazie on Jul 14, 2005 22:26:08 GMT -5
Did anyone expect the song to die this soon? I didn't. I'm not a fan of Kenny, but I figured his A-list status would keep the song moving up higher than this. Had he not managed to just barely eke out a +5 bullet on July 3rd, today would have been his 19th day without one and he would have gone recurrent on R&R for sure this Sunday. Instead, Sunday will be his 14th consecutive day without a bulllet. That's right on the cusp as far as him going recurrent, because I've seen some songs go away with exactly that many days, but some songs haven't. Perp, you're really knowledgable about chart stuff, and I've seen you say this before but I've forgotten to ask you: What is the source for your belief that some number of consecutive bulletless days determines recurrency on R&R? Because I've always thought a song went recurrent if it had 3 consecutive Sunday nights without a bullet (below #1 of course), no matter what happened in the intervening days. And it didn't go recurrent if it had a bullet on a Sunday night (the 6pm MB update). So Bobby Pinson will be around for a while. But I don't know for sure -- it's just what I think I have seen. As for Chesney's song, there are apparently too many reasons -- all good ones -- for this song to start dropping. I think everybody's right, and I'll add one more point -- that his people saw that they weren't going to be able to surpass Toby and Faith with this one, so there was good reason to give up. If they thought they could have gotten it to #1, I think they'd have kept pushing.
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Post by Perp on Jul 15, 2005 0:01:09 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone. Very interesting stuff. Zazie, you know what? Maybe my assumptions about how songs go recurrent on R&R has been wrong all along. I've never actually seen the official recurrency rules written anywhere on a Mediabase or R&R website. I've been so involved with tracking the daily R&R it never occurred to me that the rule is simply that it has to be 3 Sunday nights without a bullet. That could definitely explain some things I"ve been wondering about. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.
Since Kenny regained that trivial +5 bullet on July 3rd, and that happened to fall on a Sunday, I guess I can assume he's not going recurrent this coming Sunday. To be honest I'd just as soon he'd be gone, but those 5 spins made the difference.
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Post by Marv on Jul 15, 2005 0:57:54 GMT -5
I don't think that getting ahead of Toby, Faith or anybody else was really the point; they'd already lined up the first single and the release date for his next CD, and getting it out during the final two months of the year was a no-brainer.
He's locked up being the #1 singles artist of the year for the second straight year, so that wasn't an issue either.
Insofar as releasing six singles from a single CD, it's a matter of timing, and knowing whether or not releasing new single is going to boost sales of that CD substantially. Most of us who buy country music CDs know that when we do buy a CD, we'll get LOTS of GREAT songs that will never be release as single, but wshich radio stations (such as KZLA here in LA) can play as CD cuts if they feel the songs merit such airplay.
R&Rs recurrent rule on the country chart is very simple; any song that is down in points for three straight weeks and below #1 goes to recurrent.
If an artist release six singles from a CD (such as Tim McGraw's six singles from 'Everywhere') or 5 singles (such as Brooks and Dunn from their equally solid 'Steers and Stripes'), then that's fine too.
The tricky part for labels is figuing out how many singles from a single CD you can send to radio, and when to line up the first single from the next CD.
Since McGraw has at least two or three more singles from 'Live Like You Were Dying' if he and his label choose to do so, then it's up to him and his label as to how many more singles to release from that CD, and the same can be said for any other artist; he's on his fourth single, and one or two more would certainly be in order, considering how deep and solid this CD is, and the same can be said for the current CDs by Joe Nichols, Lee Ann Womack & Jo Dee Messina .
Gretchen Wilson's new single and CD are going to be world-premiered on 'After Midnite With Blair Garner' very soon, but having only a seven or eight week window between the first new single from her 'All Jacked Up' CD and it's September 27th release date doesn't give her label the 12-14 week window between the first single and the CD's release date that most Nashville label execs like to utilize, so we'll see how it works for her this time.
For my two cents, 'KITC' gets my vote as the weakest single from this CD, just ahead of the title song.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jul 15, 2005 2:16:00 GMT -5
he's on his fourth single, and one or two more would certainly be in order, considering how deep and solid this CD is, and the same can be said for the current CDs by Joe Nichols,
Joe is done with his current album Revalations and a new single is due soon. I thought they should have released Don't Ruin It for The Rest Of Us but oh well.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Jul 15, 2005 2:22:23 GMT -5
And a note about Tim as well -- he said at a recent show that his new album will be out "soon." That's all he said, but that gives me the impression that they are done with singles from LLYWD and the next will be the lead. Can't imagine him missing the xmas buying season.
It's a shame.. there are a lot of great potential singles ... Blank Sheet Of Paper and Old Town New are the first that pop into mind.
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Post by drock89 on Jul 15, 2005 7:12:48 GMT -5
The rumor for the longest time is that the new Tim album is live. Should that be the case I don't know why they would stop sending singles from LLYWD...
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Post by austin on Jul 15, 2005 7:41:20 GMT -5
I think the race for male singles artist of the year is totally up in the air. I really think Rascal Flatts and Keith Urban could end up beating Kenny if they both end the year with #1 hits, since 'Bless The Broken Road', 'Fast Cars and Freedom', 'You're My Better Half' and 'Making Memories Of Us' all had good chart runs this year.
Keith Urban probably won't do it...but I think Rascal Flatts may come close.
Kenny's had his share of hits in 2005...but so have others. It'll be interesting to watch.
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Post by jem on Jul 15, 2005 7:46:35 GMT -5
Looking back at youth appeals to teeny boppers? Please, they are still in their youth, why would they want to look back? And "little boy" Kenny is the same age as Tim approximately anyhow. If you don't like Kenny, just say so, don't make nutty statements NURSIE. ;) Boring, typical Kenny if it is not a island song, it is a song looking back at this youth, I guess that makes sense since his appeal is to the tenny bopper and college kids. Is there anyone hotter yes, a real man. Tim Mcgraw instead of the little boy Kenny. Tim will have his 3rd NBC special this year, and it will be 2 hours long, haven't seen Kenny with one yet. Tim has a starring role in a movie being released in FEB. By the way Tim's "Everywhere" album not only had 6 top 10 singles released from i , it had 5 #1's AND 1 #2. THAT BEATS KENNY'S ALBUM SINCE HE HAS ONLY HAD 3 #1'S FROM HIS. Also that album has the 1997 and 1998 Song of the Year, Kenny can't say that. Also the list of Top 10 best selling country artist since 1991, Tim is #5 and Kenny is not even on the list.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Jul 15, 2005 11:07:23 GMT -5
The rumor for the longest time is that the new Tim album is live. Should that be the case I don't know why they would stop sending singles from LLYWD... That rumor has pretty much died down because they've released info that Tim has written songs for his next record, as well as recorded songs written by the Warren Bros, etc. They said he's been singing a song at his shows called "Let's Get Drunk And Fight" and I can't remember the names of the others. I don't think we'll be getting a live album just yet.
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