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Post by matty005 on Jan 29, 2014 22:20:14 GMT -5
I think both Lady A and The Band Perry are suffering from not having a cross over hit. "Need You Know" was huge and that is why that album sold so much. Same with, "If I Die Young." I feel like without that crossover hit, both acts would be consistently selling the same throughout the years (saying that all their albums would be equal in sales). I don't expect either to match the highs they had unless they somehow find another "career" song.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 22:34:29 GMT -5
I think both Lady A and The Band Perry are suffering from not having a cross over hit. "Need You Know" was huge and that is why that album sold so much. Same with, "If I Die Young." I feel like without that crossover hit, both acts would be consistently selling the same throughout the years (saying that all their albums would be equal in sales). I don't expect either to match the highs they had unless they somehow find another "career" song. I've been thinking about this as well...and it seems really strange to me how so many of the newer artists are having "career" songs at the beginning of their careers. For example, Lady A - "Need You Now", TBP - "If I Die Young", FGL - "Cruise", Hunter Hayes - "Wanted", and Zac Brown Band - "Chicken Fried". All of them (with the exception of the ZBB) sought for that big cross-over hit almost right away, and as a result, there's this perceived notion that they're in a state of declining momentum, when in reality, it's basically just them losing the cross-over fans because they are no longer catering to that audience. But still, it'll be tough, if not impossible, for most of those acts to score a bigger hit, particularly with Lady A and FGL.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2014 22:58:47 GMT -5
Does anyone give Thompson Square a shot at duo? My reasoning is it appears that EISBTA is finally picking up steam, they would be the critics choice over FGL, they released a well recieved album in the time frame, and the most recent song in minds of voters of FGL is going to be That's How We Roll, which has not been well recieved to date. I realize we are dealing with Scott Borchetta, but to give T2 little to no shot seems understating their year. I would say it's about 60/40 towards FGL but that could close.
Voters don't want to give them the award, but some may feel obligated after the year they have had.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jan 29, 2014 23:02:51 GMT -5
Does anyone give Thompson Square a shot at duo? My reasoning is it appears that EISBTA is finally picking up steam, they would be the critics choice over FGL, they released a well recieved album in the time frame, and the most recent song in minds of voters of FGL is going to be That's How We Roll, which has not been well recieved to date. I realize we are dealing with Scott Borchetta, but to give T2 little to no shot seems understating their year. I would say it's about 60/40 towards FGL but that could close. Voters don't want to give them the award, but some may feel obligated after the year they have had. The thing about these awards, single, song and album aside, is that it should be based on success, not preference. Based on that, it should be FGL without a doubt. That said, in a normal duo year, I'd say T2 will definitely win it. But FGL has emerged as a powerhouse so T2 have a very slim chance. But then again, from what I've seen, voters don't seem to care about real success so you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 23:10:55 GMT -5
Does anyone give Thompson Square a shot at duo? My reasoning is it appears that EISBTA is finally picking up steam, they would be the critics choice over FGL, they released a well recieved album in the time frame, and the most recent song in minds of voters of FGL is going to be That's How We Roll, which has not been well recieved to date. I realize we are dealing with Scott Borchetta, but to give T2 little to no shot seems understating their year. I would say it's about 60/40 towards FGL but that could close. Voters don't want to give them the award, but some may feel obligated after the year they have had. I give Thompson Square about a 5% chance of winning. Many traditional-minded critics and fans write FGL off as a novelty act, but they are so popular in the mainstream. Thompson Square's album has largely gone unnoticed. It got some decent reviews but it's not exactly critically acclaimed, and it's selling only a few hundred copies a week, whereas FGL has been routinely selling 20k or even more per week. Thompson Square's current single is doing well enough, largely thanks to aggressive promotion by Stoney Creek, but it's doing next to nothing on iTunes. It is one of the lowest-selling songs in the entire Mediabase top 40, with only Josh Thompson, Craig Morgan, Dustin Lynch, and Leah Turner selling fewer singles per week. And EISBTA has almost 3x more airplay than all of those songs. I think voters will refrain from rewarding FGL awards for their hit singles, but they've got the Duo award on lockdown. I'd be stunned if they lost. This is, to me, the one award that the voters will have no problem giving them, and it makes sense because there's no way they or the fans could complain. Also, it's not like voters hate them or anything like that...it's just that they aren't likely to reward them with any Single or Song of the Year accolades. The Duo award encompasses the entire year, though, and FGL's year has been just massive.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 29, 2014 23:56:32 GMT -5
Songwriter of the year looks interesting. I would love to see Shane McAnally win, but I feel this will go to Ashley Gorley or Rodney Clawson.
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Post by midnightprism on Jan 30, 2014 9:56:17 GMT -5
Long live King George.
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Post by straitbabe on Jan 30, 2014 12:38:28 GMT -5
14887fan wrote:
<<Entertainer -I respect him for his legacy and I admire that everyone wants to pay homage to him and all, but George Strait can f**k off from this category. He hasn't had half the year that Aldean, McGraw, or Underwood had this year. Hell, even The Band Perry is more deserving of that spot than he is. If the CMAs and ACMs wanted/want to honor him so desperately since he's on his final tour, a milestone award is more than appropriate. I don't see why they'd have such a hard time giving him one since they seem to be welding them and wheeling them right off of the shelves to Taylor Swift's hands with every awards show.>>
First of all: You don't have to be so vulgar to make your point. Second: If you go to the ACM website, they have the rules/criteria for each of their awards, and you will find that, according to THEIR rules, George Strait more than meets them. Yes, so do Jason, Tim and Carrie, however, it's their membership voting and their choice. Guess what?? The top 5 vote-getters get the nominations, and in the ACMs membership's judgment, he deserved the nomination. When voting for award nominations, it usually falls to a judgment call and that's their right. In addition, George Strait is already the CMA Entertainer of the Year (did you happen to see the CMA Awards last Nov?) It's the SAME membership for both the ACM and CMA by and large, so that should have given everyone a clue that perhaps he'd get a nomination yesterday also?? I wasn't surprised!! Everyone has their favorite artist and we all want them to be recognized. Strait fans have been annoyed and disappointed in the past when he clearly deserved one (or many) and didn't get them and we saw them go to others who we thought were not as deserving. Can't speak for others, but I for one didn't go to any board and told anyone to "f**k off" because I didn't agree with a nomination. I simply sucked it up and bought another ticket for a Strait concert. I would advice fans of other artists to support them. Oh and one more thing: Get over it !!!!
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 30, 2014 13:47:54 GMT -5
Quick derailment of the thread, but don't worry -- all will proceed afterwards! First of all: You don't have to be so vulgar to make your point. Kk. Second: If you go to the ACM website, they have the rules/criteria for each of their awards, and you will find that, according to THEIR rules, George Strait more than meets them. Yes, so do Jason, Tim and Carrie, however, it's their membership voting and their choice. Guess what?? The top 5 vote-getters get the nominations, and in the ACMs membership's judgment, he deserved the nomination. When voting for award nominations, it usually falls to a judgment call and that's their right. Yeah, yeah! I think I remember how these shows work, but thanks for clearing that one up for me! In addition, George Strait is already the CMA Entertainer of the Year (did you happen to see the CMA Awards last Nov?) Y'know, I think I might've missed them -- how was it?! It's the SAME membership for both the ACM and CMA by and large, so that should have given everyone a clue that perhaps he'd get a nomination yesterday also?? I wasn't surprised!! IDK if I'm right or wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I mentioned that the CMAs and ACMs run in the same circles a whole...5 or 6 posts above the one that you quoted me on? You'll have to check. Everyone has their favorite artist and we all want them to be recognized. Strait fans have been annoyed and disappointed in the past when he clearly deserved one (or many) and didn't get them and we saw them go to others who we thought were not as deserving. Can't speak for others, but I for one didn't go to any board and told anyone to "f**k off" because I didn't agree with a nomination. I simply sucked it up and bought another ticket for a Strait concert. I would advice fans of other artists to support them. Well we all have different ways of dealing with things, now don't we? Your loyalty to Mr. Strait is admirable. I'd go buy a Carrie Underwood ticket if she was on tour, but alas, no cigar. Oh and one more thing: Get over it !!!! I was never under it, so. Carry on, ladies & gents! Here's hoping David Nail can get a performance slot since he'll be coming off of a #1 single and a new album release by the time the show comes around.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 30, 2014 14:56:58 GMT -5
^BWAHAHAHAHA
But 100% agree on David Nail. However, the likelyhood of him getting a performance slot is about the same of me getting a performance slot. ;P
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 30, 2014 15:21:35 GMT -5
^BWAHAHAHAHA But 100% agree on David Nail. However, the likelyhood of him getting a performance slot is about the same of me getting a performance slot. ;P I would watch the A.C.M.s if you were performing.
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Post by straitbabe on Jan 30, 2014 16:19:47 GMT -5
To 14487fan: I'm trying to teach you something, too bad you appear not to want to learn anything. Either that, or you're just way too smart to understand my comments. Sometimes, way too intelligent people don't quite understand a simple explanation. Maybe that's your situation. Oh, and the CMA Awards were good, alas ONLY when George Strait was either on stage singing, or winning the Entertainer of the Year Award. Too bad you missed it. Perhaps GAC will rerun them again soon. Ya'll have a nice day....;)
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 30, 2014 16:46:05 GMT -5
To 14487fan: I'm trying to teach you something, too bad you appear not to want to learn anything. Either that, or you're just way too smart to understand my comments. Sometimes, way too intelligent people don't quite understand a simple explanation. Maybe that's your situation. Oh, and the CMA Awards were good, alas ONLY when George Strait was either on stage singing, or winning the Entertainer of the Year Award. Too bad you missed it. Perhaps GAC will rerun them again soon. Ya'll have a nice day....;) Considering that 14887fan is a Carrie fan (Carrie being a six-time cohost of the show), he probably did get a chance to watch the show. I've struggled with interpreting online discussions from time to time, but I think it's important to realize his original post wasn't vulgar. The sentiment that he rather see someone other than George (who has done only decent compared to his counterparts who currently rule the genre) get nominated isn't a vulgar one... "f**k off" was just a very direct way of putting it, and he's not alone. No one is taking away the fact that George is a timeless legend, but statistically speaking, he's far from ranking among the top five in the genre (particularly 2013), which is generally what the award should be about. Entertainer of the Year is supposed to go to the best overall ambassador to the genre in all arenas (sales/radio/tour/live performances/TV appearances/etc). George had a great year, but I can assure you he likely wouldn't rank in the top five for 2013 when considering all the criteria. That's not to say only the top five should be nominated, but generally speaking nominations should go to the top five overall ambassadors to/of country music; especially considering the criteria for the award, no? 14887fan has had great things to say about George Strait in the past, from what I can remember, so clearly he isn't vulgar towards George. He, along with some others (including myself) are upset that George was given a slot (just like at the CMAs) over more deserving artists; who inarguably accomplished more and did more for country music in the year 2013 than he did. ... Also, Strait is one of the winningest artists at both the ACMs and CMAs. Not that he isn't deserving, but he is incredibly lucky to be earning nominations and wins still today considering he already has a s**t-ton AND he has been around longer than most of the current generation of country singers have been alive. Any fan would likely be upset if their respective artist was snubbed from a nomination or win, but George Strait and his fans don't really fall into this category. He is one of the most rewarded and acclaimed country artists of all time. If a fan of George is EVER upset about him not receiving a win or nomination, then I guess the rest of us should just go crawl in a hole... *Edited to correct the grammar that was discussed below.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 30, 2014 17:08:16 GMT -5
^ And I will try to get the point across as well coming from someone who does not have Carrie in their name/avatar.
Basically, what they are trying to say is we are cool with them honoring George Strait. The man has done a ton for and in country music. He should be honored. However, what they are saying is maybe the Entertainer trophy is not the best way to do that. (Also, just FYI, everyone knows he won the trophy at the CMA's) Maybe a lifetime achievement award, something similar to the way they honored Taylor Swift at the CMA's would be better.
When one thinks of the five artist that did the most in and for country music this year, George would not be among them. His album did not sell extremely well, and he is facing the strong possibility of two dud singles on radio in a row.
Maybe Carrie would not be the next person in line; maybe that spot should have gone to Jason Aldean, Tim McGraw, etc. All they are trying to say is the way the category is structured, George Strait should not have been included. Now, due to the fan vote, George is probably not going to win and whoever does win is going to feel bad and say it should have gone to George. But, really the ACM's should have figured out a better way to honor him then just throwing him in this category.
(And for whatever it is worth, I would replace him with Jason Aldean, not Carrie Underwood. This year, Aldean has started a new program with the MLB, is selling out stadiums and had huge radio, single sales and album sales for the year.)
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Post by carriekins on Jan 30, 2014 17:25:03 GMT -5
To be fair bigfan101, the MLB accolades should apply more to 2014, though of course he did play Fenway and Wrigley last summer. To me, sans George, I'm really hard pressed to say who should have that spot. Both Jason AND Carrie had years that should have seen them earn nominations. I'm a huge George fan, but in terms of 2013 success, I'd probably swap Miranda for Carrie, and George for Jason. That would be a better representation of the 5 artists that had the truly biggest years.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 30, 2014 17:29:33 GMT -5
^ agreed program would be 2014, thats my bad. But he did sell out some stadiums in 2013
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 30, 2014 17:35:58 GMT -5
To be fair bigfan101, the MLB accolades should apply more to 2014, though of course he did play Fenway and Wrigley last summer. To me, sans George, I'm really hard pressed to say who should have that spot. Both Jason AND Carrie had years that should have seen them earn nominations. I'm a huge George fan, but in terms of 2013 success, I'd probably swap Miranda for Carrie, and George for Jason. That would be a better representation of the 5 artists that had the truly biggest years. Ditto. Not a Jason fan by any means, but one cannot deny his massive year, just like with Carrie. Also, though, Tim McGraw deserved a nomination along with Jason and Carrie as well. If I was in charge of nominating for this category, first, I wouldn't limit the category to five artists - in order to make sure all who deserve nominations the most aren't snubbed. Therefore, my nominees would look like this: Luke Bryan Taylor Swift Blake Shelton Jason Aldean Carrie Underwood Tim McGraw Kenny Chesney Miranda Lambert/Keith Urban I realize you can make a case for some artists I've ommitted, but considering the criteria (and assuming there were eight slots), I think this is a relatively correct list. Nevertheless, I think if this were the list, just about everyone would be happy, no? After doing this I cannot remember the reason why... so pardon me. I think this was my attempt to correct the ACM's choices? Haha.. well whatever the case, the omissions of both Jason and Carrie were wrong, and strong cases can be made for Tim, Kenny, and Keith as well.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 30, 2014 17:37:50 GMT -5
^ I like your list; didnt at one point they have 8 nominees?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 30, 2014 17:49:34 GMT -5
^ I like your list; didnt at one point they have 8 nominees? Yup, when Carrie won the second time (for 2009 in 2010) she was nominated with: Toby Keith Kenny Chesney Brad Paisley George Strait Taylor Swift Keith Urban Zac Brown Band Then the next year, when it seemed likely she'd be nominated for her HUGE 2010, she was snubbed (I personally believe it was done on purpose because the category was broken down to just six nominees, and she was a clear front runner to not only be nominated, but win again). I don't think it was done maliciously, but only to give another artist a chance. And since then, she hasn't been nominated. But that's a topic for another day... lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:43:35 GMT -5
Considering that 14887fan is a Carrie fan (the six-time cohost of the show) 14887fan has co-hosted the show 6 times?! "Aiden/14887fan" must be an alias for Brad Paisley, unless of course you are Carrie yourself! ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 30, 2014 18:49:36 GMT -5
Considering that 14887fan is a Carrie fan (the six-time cohost of the show) 14887fan has co-hosted the show 6 times?! "Aiden/14887fan" must be an alias for Brad Paisley, unless of course you are Carrie yourself! ;) Don't you know jhomes87? We have some mighty fine talented people here at Pulse.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 30, 2014 20:26:33 GMT -5
Oops, I just realized the wording of that was off... Haha my bad.
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Post by mnopom on Jan 30, 2014 20:26:53 GMT -5
I have to agree w/the comments about George Strait being nominated for EOTY. He is not nominated in any other category but the top one (I know it was the same way at the CMA's). Not saying he isn't deserving of the award, but other artists have had a bigger year. I am really shocked that Jason Aldean was left out. He sold out Wrigley, Fenway, Athens, MSG, and Hollywood Bowl to name a few. I know he is on a smaller label, but still how can you over look that. Night Train didn't sell as well as MKP, but it has outsold what Blake and Miranda's last one has. I also think Carrie should be nominated instead of Miranda. So hopefully Carrie will get FVOY and Aldean will get MVOY (wishful thinking). Another thing I don't get is the lack of noms for Better Dig Two...it should be nominated for Song of the Year instead of Mine Would Be You?? I do not get how that song managed in there?? Duo of the Year just makes me laugh!! Why don't they combine Duo & Group together?
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Jan 30, 2014 21:18:20 GMT -5
Im a little confused... How did Jana Kramer not get on the best females list!! She had better chart success then Kacey musgraves and sherl crow... It just irritates me!! I mean i get why kacey would be on the list since she has a crap loud of momentum but not sherl crow!
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 30, 2014 21:29:44 GMT -5
Im a little confused... How did Jana Kramer not get on the best females list!! She had better chart success then Kacey musgraves and sherl crow... It just irritates me!! I mean i get why kacey would be on the list since she has a crap loud of momentum but not sherl crow! Well Sheryl had a new studio album out in the past year with a top 20 single, plus the name recognition. Jana had one top 30 single and another single that completely flopped before the top 40, with no momentum. Plus "I Hope It Rains" has been gone from the charts since the summer. She hasn't been heard from since. I have no problem leaving her off that list. She's still a newcomer for the most part, so you have to be patient.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 30, 2014 21:34:34 GMT -5
Im a little confused... How did Jana Kramer not get on the best females list!! She had better chart success then Kacey musgraves and sherl crow... It just irritates me!! I mean i get why kacey would be on the list since she has a crap loud of momentum but not sherl crow! Well Sheryl had a new studio album out in the past year with a top 20 single, plus the name recognition. Jana had one top 30 single and another single that completely flopped before the top 40, with no momentum. Plus "I Hope It Rains" has been gone from the charts since the summer. She hasn't been heard from since. I have no problem leaving her off that list. She's still a newcomer for the most part, so you have to be patient. Agreed here. Jana is probably behind the five nominees, Danielle Bradbery, Cassadee Pope, Maggie Rose and Kelly Clarkson for the year. With the continued support of Martina and Sara Evans, I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't even in the top 10 in voting. Not saying she won't ever make it, but she didn't deserve to make it right now.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Jan 30, 2014 22:12:36 GMT -5
Im a little confused... How did Jana Kramer not get on the best females list!! She had better chart success then Kacey musgraves and sherl crow... It just irritates me!! I mean i get why kacey would be on the list since she has a crap loud of momentum but not sherl crow! Well Sheryl had a new studio album out in the past year with a top 20 single, plus the name recognition. Jana had one top 30 single and another single that completely flopped before the top 40, with no momentum. Plus "I Hope It Rains" has been gone from the charts since the summer. She hasn't been heard from since. I have no problem leaving her off that list. She's still a newcomer for the most part, so you have to be patient. Thanks for your honest opinion! :) I hope one day she will make that list! though i do like the 5 nominees, I wish them all luck! Kacey's gonna take it home though!, I hope!
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Post by straitbabe on Jan 30, 2014 23:25:35 GMT -5
My main point was that all the nominations are subjective, and very often it comes down to personal preference by each and every voting members. We can sit here and talk about who deserved this or that over this artist or that artist, etc., etc., etc.; but the bottom line is that it's up to each member who they think deserved the nomination and whoever are the top 5 votegetters are the finalists. We are never going to agree with all the nominations because we are also biased. For WHATever reason, the CMA and ACM membership wanted to send George off into "retirement" with an EOTY nomination (and the CMA with the actual award). It's their right to award it to whoever they want, as long as it fits into their rules and criteria. If you read BOTH the ACM and CMA website's award rules page, you will see George Strait won it fair and square.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jan 31, 2014 8:14:46 GMT -5
Let's not kid ourselves into thinking that ACM and CMA voters actually pay attention to the award criteria. ;) I mean, I'm sure some do, but a minority. Most votes are "politically" motivated.
I really just watch country award shows for the performances these days, because it's rare that I feel they get the actual awards right. Except for the Grammys, who I think hit the nail on the head in pretty much all the country categories this year.
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Post by whynotnow on Jan 31, 2014 14:21:10 GMT -5
I believe the ACM nominations are for the year 2013 since 2014 is only 1 month old. George Strait won the CMAs for the same time frame. The comments on this board when George received the nomination and WIN were favorable and in some cases thrilling. Now if the CMAs and the ACMs are based on achievements for the same year, why are some of you saying he does not deserve the nomination. I realize we all have our favorites. As strait babe pointed out, there were many years when a lot (and I mean a lot) less deserving artists won over George. As a fan, I was very upset. But thats the way it goes. I hope George wins. But even if he does not, at least there will be one "Country Artist" representing "a country award show" And YES, the original comment was vulgar. Using dashes does not change the vulgarity, and there are other ways to express you opinions.
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