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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 8, 2014 9:49:29 GMT -5
An article made for Pulse members and all of social media. I'm really tired of the stan lingo and use of "flop". It's not funny or productive.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 8, 2014 12:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 8, 2014 12:22:28 GMT -5
Nor do I care who he stans for. Again a Britney album that hasn't sold 200k 4 weeks after release is a flop! Any questions? It's a Vegas Promo album. f**king Is this a real term now? Are they even selling it in her Vegas store? What about her non-Vegas Promo albums?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 8, 2014 12:24:39 GMT -5
It gets exhausting focusing on sales all the time. I have to admit I have fallen into that trap and I am trying not to do so. I do enjoy talking about sales and chart performance of course (which is why I am here). But, my enjoyment of a cd isn't swayed by whether it is selling like 21 or not and sometimes I would rather just discuss the music than discuss how "over" someone is.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 8, 2014 12:27:33 GMT -5
No one would be saying the album was simply a vehicle to promote her Vegas residency if the album was actually a hit. It doesn't even make sense. People who are going to see her are most likely going to see her because of her past hits, not her current flops. If anything, it may be the other way around. Sometimes people will pick up a touring act's recent flop album after they go to see their current tour, especially with acts past their prime. Yeah this. The album isn't promoting the show, it's meant to be an optional companion piece to the show. They all knew that that was going to bring in the money, and if someone happens to see it, or a report about it, and just happen to wonder whether she has a new release out, she just happens to do so. It's the same as this:
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 8, 2014 12:31:58 GMT -5
I forgot about One Heart and holy crap it did well. Amazing 2x platinum Vegas promo cd
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 8, 2014 12:37:19 GMT -5
Yeah, compared to how some other big "older" female acts were selling at the time (American Life, Charmbracelet, Just Whitney, Damita Jo), it sold very well, especially when you consider that it came out in Spring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 12:51:33 GMT -5
I forgot about One Heart and holy crap it did well. Amazing 2x platinum Vegas promo cd It's important to note that One Heart came out 13 years after Celine's US career started, while Britney has been on the scene for 16 years. One Heart is more comparable to her pre-vegas promo album "Femme Fatale" which spawned three top 7 hits on the H100 and sold very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 12:53:46 GMT -5
I forgot about One Heart and holy crap it did well. Amazing 2x platinum Vegas promo cd It's important to note that One Heart came out 13 years after Celine's US career started, while Britney has been on the scene for 16 years. One Heart is more comparable to her pre-vegas promo album "Femme Fatale" which spawned three top 7 hits on the H100 and sold very well. That few year difference is fairly irrelevant considering Celine's hit-making days were further behind her than Britney's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 12:56:57 GMT -5
It's a Vegas Promo album. f**king Is this a real term now? Are they even selling it in her Vegas store? What about her non-Vegas Promo albums? Very much so. If our very own slw is to be trusted, then yes. As you can see, the first two spots are both occupied by the album. On the little pink thing it's even listed twice while the real studio albums are only listed once.
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 8, 2014 12:58:20 GMT -5
omg so embarrassed rn! Guess that settles that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 13:25:28 GMT -5
Let's cut through the bullshit there is no such thing as a Vegas promo album to justify a flop. It flopped for various reasons, promo, didn't connect with people or fans, and it was mediocre.
Even if it was a Vegas promo album and not a studio album like it was it still flopped because numbers are numbers it fact no emotion based or stan based. I guess Triumphant flopped because it was a promo single for Mimi's undying love for her sick hubby.
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Post by johnkeats on Jan 8, 2014 13:54:05 GMT -5
Getting a flop shows the failure, there is something wrong which has led to the failure. One has to find the root cause. Once a flop does not makes the end but it paves way for a new beginning. The new beginning is to overcome the flop and make way to get the best and get the hit or success the next time. Learning online through some online sessions being conducted all over the world by the best teachers in music, can be availed at a very reasonable cost and at the best suited time and comfort of one's arrangement.
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Post by felipe on Jan 8, 2014 14:22:37 GMT -5
"OMG! I love Britney but I'm not going to buy this new album because it's just a Vegas promo album" - said no one.
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Jan 8, 2014 15:15:58 GMT -5
I think that we as a society just focus too much on negativity. So-and-so didn't release a great song, this album underperformed.
Now, there are people whose jobs depend on certain levels of success, and they should be able to focus on the relative scale of popularity of their products. But for other people, I think we should just embrace the things we enjoy and pay no attention to that in which we don't.
I watched a movie called "Liberal Arts" the other week, and in one scene, a character rips another one apart for having read, and enjoyed, the Twilight books, even though she's an 'intellectual' woman. Her response is "they make me happy, so who cares."
It's a philosophy I've decided to try this year. If something makes somebody happy, it shouldn't matter what my opinion of something is (less it veer into the illegal).
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 8, 2014 16:12:53 GMT -5
I think the overall problem when it comes to the use of the word "flop" for anything is that so many people rely very heavily on just the numbers and paint all singles/albums with the same brush. Of course, each single and each album have different methods of things like promotion, money put into it, where the artist is in his or her career, popularity, etc, etc. No two singles can be judged exactly the same and often times, there's more to look at than simply the numbers. And again, for so many people, there seems to be no space between "hit" and "flop" and while I realize it's the in-thing here at Pulse (and around the internet in general) to use either of those words to apply to everything, it's obviously not as black and white. I watched a movie called "Liberal Arts" the other week, and in one scene, a character rips another one apart for having read, and enjoyed, the Twilight books, even though she's an 'intellectual' woman. Her response is "they make me happy, so who cares." I like that. I think that's something that comes with age anyway to some degree. I'm less embarrassed by the music I like and listen to. That might be a response I'll adopt myself.
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Post by slw84 on Jan 8, 2014 17:37:34 GMT -5
f**king Is this a real term now? Are they even selling it in her Vegas store? What about her non-Vegas Promo albums? Very much so. If our very own slw is to be trusted, then yes. As you can see, the first two spots are both occupied by the album. On the little pink thing it's even listed twice while the real studio albums are only listed once. LOL. My pics having a lasting impact. I like the shade though. Clever
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Post by Myeahhh. on Jan 8, 2014 20:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by musicjunky318 on Jan 8, 2014 20:54:18 GMT -5
Depends on a number of circumstances but most of all what level the artist is on and their chart history. Invincible was labeled a flop primarily because of who it belonged to: Michael Jackson. However, lets say it was...I don't know Mandy Moore's album it would have been considered a resounding success.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 8, 2014 21:39:34 GMT -5
That website is horrible, very mean spirited.
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