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Post by josh on Feb 4, 2014 19:24:54 GMT -5
I think he's saying like this:
(made up/estimated numbers) "Blurred Lines" had 100 million AI from pop but only 50 from Urban and Urban AC (which would be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay)
There's no way to tell what sales are coming from pop airplay and what are coming from r&b airplay, but it's clearly not all of the sales from r&b, so why should all the sales count towards the r&b chart?
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Post by badrobot on Feb 4, 2014 19:36:13 GMT -5
I wonder what genre charts would look like if sales were multiplied by the percentage of airplay from within the genre.
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Post by Kris on Feb 4, 2014 19:43:41 GMT -5
I think he's saying like this: (made up/estimated numbers) "Blurred Lines" had 100 million AI from pop but only 50 from Urban and Urban AC (which would be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) There's no way to tell what sales are coming from pop airplay and what are coming from r&b airplay, but it's clearly not all of the sales from r&b, so why should all the sales count towards the r&b chart? because billboard that's why |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2014 19:56:50 GMT -5
I think he's saying like this: (made up/estimated numbers) "Blurred Lines" had 100 million AI from pop but only 50 from Urban and Urban AC (which would be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) There's no way to tell what sales are coming from pop airplay and what are coming from r&b airplay, but it's clearly not all of the sales from r&b, so why should all the sales count towards the r&b chart? because billboard that's why huh? LOL! Sarcasm. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2014 19:58:12 GMT -5
I think he's saying like this: (made up/estimated numbers) "Blurred Lines" had 100 million AI from pop but only 50 from Urban and Urban AC (which would be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) There's no way to tell what sales are coming from pop airplay and what are coming from r&b airplay, but it's clearly not all of the sales from r&b, so why should all the sales count towards the r&b chart? Exactly. Especially when many of the Top R&B Hip Hop songs were getting minuscule R&BHiphop Airplay at best. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 4, 2014 20:06:06 GMT -5
That's kinda why sales info for the R&B charts previously was compiled from sales from core R&B stores. But, those sales were not very high.
Billboard just made a whole mess of things when it reformatted these genre charts.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2014 23:00:44 GMT -5
That's kinda why sales info for the R&B charts previously was compiled from sales from core R&B stores. But, those sales were not very high. Billboard just made a whole mess of things when it reformatted these genre charts. Yeah it seemed like a good idea at the time but in reality it was a bad idea. it obscured the useful information and now there are charts that are completely useless. BB may just need to reverse that policy because rather than inluencing the markets people just stopped looking at the genre charts that try to include sales information into them. |
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Post by Rocky on Feb 5, 2014 6:44:10 GMT -5
1. ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 189.740 (+ 0.014)
2. PITBULL – Timber f/Ke$ha: 167.147 (- 1.484)
3. KATY PERRY – Dark Horse: 160.498 (+ 2.466)
4. EMINEM – The Monster f/Rihanna: 145.414 (- 2.256)
5. LORDE – Team: 138.451 (+ 3.436)
6. ELLIE GOULDING – Burn: 130.695 (+ 0.950)
7. ONE DIRECTION – Story Of My Life: 124.715 (+ 0.991)
8. PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 118.820 (+ 0.734)
9. A GREAT BIG WORLD – Say Something w/C. Aguilera: 118.183 (+ 1.578)
10. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 109.653 (- 1.274)
11. LORDE – Royals: 108.607 (- 0.387)
12. BASTILLE – Pompeii: 101.748 (+ 2.199) ▲
13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 99.006 (- 1.505) ▼
14. BEYONCÉ – Drunk In Love f/Jay Z: 87.698 (+ 1.221)
15. ZEDD – Stay The Night f/H. Williams: 81.604 (- 2.105)
16. KID INK – Show Me f/Chris Brown: 78.030 (+ 0.954) ▲
17. DRAKE – Hold On We’re, Going Home: 76.627 (- 1.227) ▼
18. PHARRELL WILLIAMS – Happy: 75.760 (+ 5.114) ▲
19. JASON DERULO – Talk Dirty f/2 Chainz: 72.747 (+ 1.607) ▼
20. LUKE BRYAN – Drink A Beer: 70.866 (+ 0.730)
COLE SWINDELL – Chillin’ It: 67.452 (+ 0.353)
ERIC PASLAY – Friday Night: 67.288 (- 1.288)
DAVID NAIL – Whatever She’s Got: 66.626 (- 0.480)
KATY PERRY – Roar: 66.423 (- 0.498)
JASON ALDEAN – When She Says Baby: 63.444 (+ 1.248)
AMERICAN AUTHORS – Best Day Of My Life: 58.590 (+ 0.967)
BRUNO MARS – Young Girls: 56.747 (+ 0.824)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Compass: 55.928 (+ 0.768)
JOHN NEWMAN – Love Me Again: 55.377 (+ 0.496)
BLAKE SHELTON – Doin’ What She Likes: 45.518 (+ 1.092)
JOHN LEGEND – All Of Me: 44.871 (+ 1.793)
ALOE BLACC – The Man: 32.626 (+ 2.357)
MILEY CYRUS – Adore You: 31.206 (+ 0.546)
CALVIN HARRIS – Thinking About You: 29.113 (+ 0.372)
FRAY – Love Don’t Die: 28.173(- 0.007)
RASCAL FLATTS – Rewind: 27.412 (+ 1.379)
DEMI LOVATO – Neon Lights: 26.140 (+ 0.651)
CHRIS BROWN – Loyal f/Lil’ Wayne: 25.125 (+ 0.986)
AVICII – Hey Brother: 23.471 (+ 0.634)
SHAKIRA F/RIHANNA – Can’t Remember To Forget You: 21.198 (+ 0.142)
TREY SONGZ – Na Na: 20.618 (+ 0.618)
BEYONCE – Partition: 11.839 (- 0.031)
NEON TREES – Sleeping With A Friend: 10.403 (+ 0.634)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE – Coming Of Age: 9.529 (+ 0.189)
IMAGINE DRAGONS – On Top Of The World: 6.940 (+ 0.188)
NAUGHTY BOY – La La La f/Sam Smith: 5.610 (+ 0.230)
HUNTER HAYES – Invisible: 5.183 (+ 0.563)
DISCLOSURE – Latch f/Sam Smith: 3.971 (+ 0.093)
AUSTIN MAHONE – Mmm Yeah f/Pitbull: 1.447
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Post by #Joseph.T on Feb 5, 2014 7:07:22 GMT -5
18. PHARRELL WILLIAMS – Happy: 75.760 (+ 5.114) ▲ Next number one is coming |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 8:02:15 GMT -5
18. PHARRELL WILLIAMS – Happy: 75.760 (+ 5.114) ▲ Next number one is coming after CS you mean?!!! |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2014 8:05:26 GMT -5
Next number one is coming after CS you mean?!!! CS? Katy will get there first. CS won't be negative in a few days...by a lot. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2014 8:18:48 GMT -5
1. ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 189.740 (+ 0.014) 2. PITBULL – Timber f/Ke$ha: 167.147 (- 1.484) 3. KATY PERRY – Dark Horse: 160.498 (+ 2.466)4. EMINEM – The Monster f/Rihanna: 145.414 (- 2.256) 5. LORDE – Team: 138.451 (+ 3.436)6. ELLIE GOULDING – Burn: 130.695 (+ 0.950) 7. ONE DIRECTION – Story Of My Life: 124.715 (+ 0.991) 8. PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 118.820 (+ 0.734) 9. A GREAT BIG WORLD – Say Something w/C. Aguilera: 118.183 (+ 1.578)10. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 109.653 (- 1.274) 11. LORDE – Royals: 108.607 (- 0.387) 12. BASTILLE – Pompeii: 101.748 (+ 2.199) ▲13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 99.006 (- 1.505) ▼ 14. BEYONCÉ – Drunk In Love f/Jay Z: 87.698 (+ 1.221)15. ZEDD – Stay The Night f/H. Williams: 81.604 (- 2.105) 16. KID INK – Show Me f/Chris Brown: 78.030 (+ 0.954) ▲ 17. DRAKE – Hold On We’re, Going Home: 76.627 (- 1.227) ▼ 18. PHARRELL WILLIAMS – Happy: 75.760 (+ 5.114) ▲19. JASON DERULO – Talk Dirty f/2 Chainz: 72.747 (+ 1.607) ▼20. LUKE BRYAN – Drink A Beer: 70.866 (+ 0.730) COLE SWINDELL – Chillin’ It: 67.452 (+ 0.353) ERIC PASLAY – Friday Night: 67.288 (- 1.288) DAVID NAIL – Whatever She’s Got: 66.626 (- 0.480) KATY PERRY – Roar: 66.423 (- 0.498) JASON ALDEAN – When She Says Baby: 63.444 (+ 1.248)AMERICAN AUTHORS – Best Day Of My Life: 58.590 (+ 0.967) BRUNO MARS – Young Girls: 56.747 (+ 0.824) LADY ANTEBELLUM – Compass: 55.928 (+ 0.768) JOHN NEWMAN – Love Me Again: 55.377 (+ 0.496) BLAKE SHELTON – Doin’ What She Likes: 45.518 (+ 1.092)
JOHN LEGEND – All Of Me: 44.871 (+ 1.793)
ALOE BLACC – The Man: 32.626 (+ 2.357)MILEY CYRUS – Adore You: 31.206 (+ 0.546) CALVIN HARRIS – Thinking About You: 29.113 (+ 0.372) FRAY – Love Don’t Die: 28.173(- 0.007) RASCAL FLATTS – Rewind: 27.412 (+ 1.379)DEMI LOVATO – Neon Lights: 26.140 (+ 0.651) CHRIS BROWN – Loyal f/Lil’ Wayne: 25.125 (+ 0.986) AVICII – Hey Brother: 23.471 (+ 0.634) SHAKIRA F/RIHANNA – Can’t Remember To Forget You: 21.198 (+ 0.142) TREY SONGZ – Na Na: 20.618 (+ 0.618) BEYONCE – Partition: 11.839 (- 0.031) NEON TREES – Sleeping With A Friend: 10.403 (+ 0.634) FOSTER THE PEOPLE – Coming Of Age: 9.529 (+ 0.189) IMAGINE DRAGONS – On Top Of The World: 6.940 (+ 0.188) NAUGHTY BOY – La La La f/Sam Smith: 5.610 (+ 0.230) HUNTER HAYES – Invisible: 5.183 (+ 0.563) DISCLOSURE – Latch f/Sam Smith: 3.971 (+ 0.093) AUSTIN MAHONE – Mmm Yeah f/Pitbull: 1.447 It's kinda frustrating that Beyonce's record company won't do anything to promote her song...yet they will be cashing in on her success. |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Feb 5, 2014 8:27:31 GMT -5
Any big artist should not need their record label to push promotion. If it's good it will sell and radio will play it. I am one to say Beyonces new album is terrible in my opinion.
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Post by surfy on Feb 5, 2014 8:33:53 GMT -5
Honestly Beyonce is doing fantastic without her label's help tbh. She had one of the fastest selling albums in recent history, she performed at the Grammys, and already has a top 20 hit... that sounds like a good era already
AND IT HAS JUST BEGUN!!!!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 5, 2014 9:06:45 GMT -5
Record companies "push" songs at radio if they want a song to be a hit.
If you think labels don't do this, wake up.
They work the phones. They send out the checks.
Beyonce's label has made so much money off the album so far and Beyonce made a lot of money off her tour last year.
1.6 million albums sold off some minor radio hits...
They don't need any radio hits.
But, fans want them...
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Post by #Joseph.T on Feb 5, 2014 9:14:10 GMT -5
Next number one is coming after CS you mean?!!! I mean on Hot 100 |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 5, 2014 9:38:12 GMT -5
My comments above are not for all songs sent to radio.
There's a bunch of different scenarios.
Happy is smashing because it's so damn infectious. Doing good at iTunes. I'm sure listeners are requesting it.
Work Bitch got a big push by the label. When it fizzled at iTunes and poor call out scores came back to radio, it got dumped.
Sail was pushed by the label for months and months.
Do What U Want was doing well at radio, but when it became apparent ArtPop's sales were disappointing and turmoil in GaGa's camp, the label decided not to push it anymore.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2014 9:38:28 GMT -5
Record companies "push" songs at radio if they want a song to be a hit. If you think labels don't do this, wake up. They work the phones. They send out the checks. Beyonce's label has made so much money off the album so far and Beyonce made a lot of money off her tour last year. 1.6 million albums sold off some minor radio hits... They don't need any radio hits. But, fans want them... It's not that Beyonce didn't need any radio hits. She didn't need any this time. However, we all know that doesn't last. Radio keeps you relevant for longer than without radio. Although TV exposure and Social Media is quickly catching up to radio. |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 5, 2014 9:54:19 GMT -5
Yeah. Believe it or not you can only coast on high selling albums for so long before you become an albums artist.
Nothing wrong with that (Ask Springsteen, Streisand or even Pearl Jam), but to keep culturally relevant, hit singles keep you top of mind, and focus your legacy.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 5, 2014 10:23:20 GMT -5
Any big artist should not need their record label to push promotion. If it's good it will sell and radio will play it. I am one to say Beyonces new album is terrible in my opinion. |
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Post by ss8 on Feb 5, 2014 10:26:48 GMT -5
Didnt care for it at first but think Happy is fire now. Infectious to the max. Flawless melody, chorus, production etc etc.Beyond amazed at how much (just in the last year) Pharrells name and music has been off the chart successful. He's never been more on top of his game. His sound is one of the least mainstream, original things on radio now. 'Happy' totally sounds like an updated 60s Motown or Stax soul/ r&b song that would've been all over the radio back then.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 5, 2014 10:38:43 GMT -5
Record companies "push" songs at radio if they want a song to be a hit. If you think labels don't do this, wake up. They work the phones. They send out the checks. Beyonce's label has made so much money off the album so far and Beyonce made a lot of money off her tour last year. 1.6 million albums sold off some minor radio hits... They don't need any radio hits. But, fans want them... It's not that Beyonce didn't need any radio hits. She didn't need any this time. However, we all know that doesn't last. Radio keeps you relevant for longer than without radio. Although TV exposure and Social Media is quickly catching up to radio. That's what I was saying. She doesn't need any radio hits "now." She'll need them if her next album follows the traditional release pattern. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 5, 2014 10:56:21 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/chart-alert/5893982/frozen-longest-running-no-1-film-soundtrack-since-2003 Over on the Digital Songs chart, Perry's "Dark Horse," featuring Juicy J, holds at No. 1 with 373,000 downloads sold (up 27%). Jason Derulo's "Talk Dirty," featuring 2 Chainz, is steady at No. 2 with 234,000 (up 21%). Pharrell's "Happy" is also stationary, at No. 3, with 219,000 (up 17%). Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive," which the band performed on the Grammy Awards and "Saturday Night Live," ascends 29-4 with 208,000 (up 239%). The band was joined by Kendrick Lamar for both appearances, performing a new remix of the track. Said remixed track was released to retailers the day after the Grammy Awards, and its sales account for 73% of the total sum this week for“Radioactive.” Overall, this is the third-largest sales week for the song, which peaked in popularity last summer. Passenger's "Let Her Go," which was featured in a Super Bowl commercial for Budweiser, rises to its third-biggest sales week as well: 176,000 (up 51%). It climbs from No. 11 to No. 5. A Great Big World & Christina Aguilera's "Say Something" steps up one rung to No. 6 with 152,000 (up 4%). Beyonce's "Drunk in Love," featuring Jay Z, nets its best week yet, as it flies 18-7 with 151,000 (up 94%). As mentioned earlier, "Drunk in Love" opened the Grammy Awards. Pitbull's "Timber," featuring Ke$ha, slips 5-8 with 142,000 (down 16%), and Bastille's "Pompeii" dips 6-9 with 140,000 (down 5%). Lorde's "Royals," which she performed on the Grammy Awards, returns to the top 10 (13-10) with 137,000 (up 33%). Digital track sales this past week totaled 23.8 million downloads, up less than 1% compared with last week (23.7 million) and down 8% stacked next to the comparable week of 2013 (25.8 million). Year-to-date track sales are at 127.8 million, down 11% compared with the same total at this point last year (143.7 million).
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2014 11:00:40 GMT -5
WOW!@ Katy! She is #1 with a massive lead. No one can touch her.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2014 11:08:25 GMT -5
It's not that Beyonce didn't need any radio hits. She didn't need any this time. However, we all know that doesn't last. Radio keeps you relevant for longer than without radio. Although TV exposure and Social Media is quickly catching up to radio. That's what I was saying. She doesn't need any radio hits "now." She'll need them if her next album follows the traditional release pattern. She'll need them now if she is going to have a hope of radio playing her songs at all when the next album is released. |
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Post by josh on Feb 5, 2014 11:16:31 GMT -5
So on the sales chart "Radioactive" should credit Kendrick. I think the large sales margin for the remix will be just enough to credit him on the Hot 100 as well.
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Post by Daniel Collins on Feb 5, 2014 11:25:11 GMT -5
My prediction:
1.Dark Horse
2.Timber
3.Counting Stars
4.Talk Dirty
5.Let Her Go
6.Say Something
7.Drunk In Love
8.Happy
9.Royals
10.Team
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 11:26:25 GMT -5
CS quit top 10 in digital songs :'(
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 5, 2014 11:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by 3m3r7c on Feb 5, 2014 12:16:30 GMT -5
Anyone know what caused "love don't die" and "sail" to recently shoot up iTunes the past day or so?
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