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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 4, 2015 11:15:32 GMT -5
All of this nonsense about silly social media posts. Social media posts have not made her the most important and well-regarded female performer of the last three decades- it's the music and everything associated with it. Here's a crazy idea: How about focusing on the music and how the upcoming album is shaping up to be her strongest in some time? This isn't a fan board- and that goes for any thread dedicated to an act (which others seem to forget at times, too)- but there comes a time when it's time to move on, no? #LivingForLove #Musicmakesthepeoplecometogether #Letloveshineandwewillfindawaytocometogether And so on and so on... You're right in that it's not a fan board, which is why people are discussing her actions, along with her music. And though you might think her "silly social media posts" are "nonsense", that train of thought is in the past now because no pop star, whether legend or aspiring, can exist without having a social media presence. It's practically required now so trying to make light of or diminish her actions on social media shows how out of touch you are with the one you rave on about being a legend. You can keep living in the past if you want but most everyone else has moved on. She has mastered how to control an image but that was when the conversation wasn't the two-way one it is now. People are responding and when she f**ks up, it can't be swept under the rug anymore. You of all people should know that image is one of the most, if not THE most important aspect for pop stars. For Madonna, she's the most important and well-regarded female performer of the last three decades, NOT because of social media posts but also NOT because of just the music. It's because of her image. And she continues to show over and over again that in this era of social media, she's having a hard time grasping this new reality, which might be even worse for her as the quality of her music has gone way down in the last decade or so. Now, don't get me wrong because you know I love Madonna, having done a countdown of my favourite Madonna songs last year, but what disappoints me most about her inability to use social media to her advantage is that, as a fan of her and her legacy, she's sunk so incredibly low because of it. Even if the music isn't as good, and let's face it, nobody can maintain that level of quality forever, she's resorted to posting nonsense on social media that has cheapened her so much. It's embarrassing. And yeah, she still makes headlines over these things but the general response is always the same, desperation. Someone of Madonna's stature, "the most important and well-regarded female performer of the last three decades," should be above all this. She should be better than the subpar-to-terrible music she's been putting out. I'm not being agist when I say this because there is a way to be in your 50s and make fun pop/dance music. Cher has done it. Cyndi Lauper has done it. Madonna can do it because she's done it, but the juvenile desperation outweighs the free-flowing, energetic pop songs - and it sucks even more because it's all in an attempt to appeal to an audience that will never actually care. When people say Madonna needs to act her age, that's what they're talking about. That she needs to stop trying to win over the 15-24 crowd because it won't work and it's desperate, and in the process, people who loved her in the 80s and 90s are embarrassed over it. #itsnotallsunshineandponies #bitchi'mmadonnathesehoezknow #iliketosingysingysingylikeabirdonawingywingywingy
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Post by Juanca on Jan 4, 2015 12:24:10 GMT -5
You're posting some lyrics that are from early 2000s... She's had stupid lyrics across her entire career (eg I'm going bananas, Jimmy Jimmy) but in the same albums she always includes some songs with strong lyrics as well. In terms of quality music... I love Cyndi and Cher but I don't think their latest outputs are stronger than Madonna's. Cyndi also went the 'easy' route of At Last and the acoustic/duet versions of her songs... Madonna's kept releasing stuff throughout the decade much more consistently than the other two. And for a GMAYL, Spanish lesson or Superstar, she also gave us Masterpiece, LoveSpent, Devil wouldn't recognize you In terms of social media, I agree that she needs to be more careful and think one second before posting... But at the same time I think it's not gonna be easy because she's used to speaking her mind-and getting in trouble for that At the same time she's a smart business woman so maybe that side of her can help her about useless controversy that could taint what seems to be her most personal project in more than a decade -and one of the strongest albums released by a 50+ year older
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 4, 2015 12:50:47 GMT -5
Thank you, Jump. You do a good job of posting information for the masses yourself. This is an amazing cover of Devil Pray. I hope you enjoy it.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 4, 2015 15:46:51 GMT -5
Benedict C- have you heard the new tunes? If "Living For Love," "Ghosttown," "Devil Pray" and, to a lesser extent, "Iluminati" are anything to go by, have no fear about the quality of music she'll be issuing. :) I didn't listen to any demos, but from what i hear, there's more good stuff to come.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 4, 2015 16:20:39 GMT -5
Benedict C- have you heard the new tunes? If "Living For Love," "Ghosttown," "Devil Pray" and, to a lesser extent, "Iluminati" are anything to go by, have no fear about the quality of music she'll be issuing. :) I didn't listen to any demos, but from what i hear, there's more good stuff to come. You forgot about Unapologetic Bitch. That's also a great one, imo.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 4, 2015 16:34:42 GMT -5
Wanted to share this and then it's deffinately on to her music and new era. :)
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Madonna Promotes Human Rights On Instagram, Gets Unfairly Branded A ‘Racist’
Posted January 4, 2015 by Rocco Papa
Madonna is no stranger to controversy, but this latest one may have taken her by surprise.
Last month, the Queen of Pop announced her forthcoming album, ‘Rebel Heart.’ On the album’s cover, her face is tied with black ropes. Fans have been creating covers of their own since the announcement; Madonna has been posting these covers to her Instagrampage, most of which feature other people’s faces tied up, including Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela.
The media began accusing Madonna of using these historical figures to promote her album. Other writers took it even further, accusing her of cultural appropriation and racism. Madonna released a statement on her Facebookpage, explaining that the pictures were created by fans, she isn’t racist, and neither are the fans who made them.
What the media and general public fail to understand is that Madonna was promoting something, but it wasn’t her album — it was human rights. Madonna and her fans were showing respect for these humanitarians, claiming they were “rebel hearts.” They defied the bigotry they were faced with and made a difference in the world. The message of Madonna’s work has always ran much deeper than a commercial product. She is one of the few mainstream artists left with something to say, and she deserves a lot of credit.
The reaction to Madonna’s Instagram posts only show further evidence of the increasing problem of oversensitivity. In today’s technologically advanced age, people can post their reactions instantly. They hardly ever take the time to think about what they’re reacting to; they don’t take things in the proper context and consider the person’s intentions. As far as I’m concerned, this is only contributing to the problem and causing a huge decrease in intelligence levels.
As far as cultural appropriation is concerned, I fail to see how the concept translates to Madonna’s latest Instagram posts. I also fail to see how culturally appropriating immediately makes you racist. I was born the year that ‘Vogue‘ came out, and as a gay man, I’m not at all offended by Madonna appropriating my people’s culture. I don’t think the several gay dancers featured in the video (many of whom came from the voguing scene) minded either. I saw it as a wonderful homage and sign of respect, just as Madonna intended it.
This also shows the problem with calling out people’s privilege. I’m not denying that privilege exists, but I hardly ever see it used to encourage positive, unifying discussion. In this case, people claim that since Madonna has white privilege, she shouldn’t be taking a stand for minorities. According to them, she should stay silent because she doesn’t know what it’s like to be black.
This only dissuades people from getting involved. We all need to come together in order for bigotry to decrease — that’s what King Jr. was all about. The people who claim to be defending him really need to check themselves and see if they’re truly spreading his message.
Those people seem to be encouraging a different form of discrimination. However, they feel that sort of discrimination is justified, because these people are privileged, which is wrong. Discrimination is discrimination. And yes, even white heterosexual men can be discriminated against for being white, heterosexual men.
The point is, nobody is immune to judgement, and oversensitivity will only perpetuate it. Let this be a lesson to all of you. When you see something that offends you, stop and use your brain. Is it really hateful and bigoted? If so, find a productive way to spread a positive message.
Don’t be so quick to voice your anger on social media. Because if you do, think about if you’re actually helping to solve the problem, or if you’re just contributing to it.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jan 4, 2015 16:52:03 GMT -5
I just want to know where David Banda has been lately is his visa run out? Nah, she shipped his ass back to Figawi with a crisp $100, a pair of Reebok Classics and an autographed copy of #RebelHeart demos. I am so tempted to listen to the other songs that were officially released but I want to be surprised. I like that she is incorporating different influences like reggae and such, instead of going for the balls-to-the-wall aggressive fist-pumping songs of MDMA and one-long song of Confessions (even though I loved both, I know she is capable of diversity in her music.) Ugh. Decided to go dust off some of her music. Nothing Fails is such a masterpiece from start to finish. I actually like the American Life album a lot. I remember paying $20 bucks for it when I was in London or Dublin, I forget which. Edit: OMG @ Bitch, I'm Madonna. and listening to Devil Pray now. Yeah, this album is a return to form, for sure. Better than Hard Candy and MDMA and Confessions so far.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 4, 2015 19:44:19 GMT -5
Maybe a return to form where every song is good, but certainly not because her last two albums were bad, which they weren't. A couple duds on each album does not make the overall album bad. You'll never convince me that:
GI2M Heartbeat Miles Away She's Not Me Beat Goes On Dance 2night Devil Wouldn't Recognize You Voices
Girl Gone Wild Gang Bang I'm Addicted Masterpiece Love Spent Fallin' Free Beautiful Killer I Fucked Up Love Spent (acoustic)
....make those albums overall bad. Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 19:52:32 GMT -5
Wanted to share this and then it's deffinately on to her music and new era. :) Rant Lifestyle Madonna Promotes Human Rights On Instagram, Gets Unfairly Branded A ‘Racist’ Posted January 4, 2015 by Rocco Papa Madonna is no stranger to controversy, but this latest one may have taken her by surprise. Last month, the Queen of Pop announced her forthcoming album, ‘Rebel Heart.’ On the album’s cover, her face is tied with black ropes. Fans have been creating covers of their own since the announcement; Madonna has been posting these covers to her Instagrampage, most of which feature other people’s faces tied up, including Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela. The media began accusing Madonna of using these historical figures to promote her album. Other writers took it even further, accusing her of cultural appropriation and racism. Madonna released a statement on her Facebookpage, explaining that the pictures were created by fans, she isn’t racist, and neither are the fans who made them. What the media and general public fail to understand is that Madonna was promoting something, but it wasn’t her album — it was human rights. Madonna and her fans were showing respect for these humanitarians, claiming they were “rebel hearts.” They defied the bigotry they were faced with and made a difference in the world. The message of Madonna’s work has always ran much deeper than a commercial product. She is one of the few mainstream artists left with something to say, and she deserves a lot of credit. The reaction to Madonna’s Instagram posts only show further evidence of the increasing problem of oversensitivity. In today’s technologically advanced age, people can post their reactions instantly. They hardly ever take the time to think about what they’re reacting to; they don’t take things in the proper context and consider the person’s intentions. As far as I’m concerned, this is only contributing to the problem and causing a huge decrease in intelligence levels. As far as cultural appropriation is concerned, I fail to see how the concept translates to Madonna’s latest Instagram posts. I also fail to see how culturally appropriating immediately makes you racist. I was born the year that ‘Vogue‘ came out, and as a gay man, I’m not at all offended by Madonna appropriating my people’s culture. I don’t think the several gay dancers featured in the video (many of whom came from the voguing scene) minded either. I saw it as a wonderful homage and sign of respect, just as Madonna intended it. This also shows the problem with calling out people’s privilege. I’m not denying that privilege exists, but I hardly ever see it used to encourage positive, unifying discussion. In this case, people claim that since Madonna has white privilege, she shouldn’t be taking a stand for minorities. According to them, she should stay silent because she doesn’t know what it’s like to be black. This only dissuades people from getting involved. We all need to come together in order for bigotry to decrease — that’s what King Jr. was all about. The people who claim to be defending him really need to check themselves and see if they’re truly spreading his message. Those people seem to be encouraging a different form of discrimination. However, they feel that sort of discrimination is justified, because these people are privileged, which is wrong. Discrimination is discrimination. And yes, even white heterosexual men can be discriminated against for being white, heterosexual men. The point is, nobody is immune to judgement, and oversensitivity will only perpetuate it. Let this be a lesson to all of you. When you see something that offends you, stop and use your brain. Is it really hateful and bigoted? If so, find a productive way to spread a positive message. Don’t be so quick to voice your anger on social media. Because if you do, think about if you’re actually helping to solve the problem, or if you’re just contributing to it. I dislike articles like this. You can't build a defense by taking the fringe comments of the few who say she is racist by doing this. Most reasonable and sane people never called it that anywhere. So from that racism angle he painted here yes he is right, its silly. That doesn't tackle the real issue of it being tacky, silly and inappropriate stupid campaign because well that doesn't fit whatever picture he is painting. This isn't journalism its just a guy with a platform to say his opinions so can't argue with him. However how he and his friends feel about "vogue" has no bearing on civil right leaders who risked their life and pushed forward a social agenda that has far more importance than the art of voguing! MLK and Nelson's dreams weren't to have strings put on their face over instagram so some silly pop album can scan 300K . It's not racism that he tries to make this be about, it's about having fucking respect.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 4, 2015 19:57:21 GMT -5
"Here I am Chillin! #unapologeticbitch" -Madonna I love it!
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 4, 2015 19:59:13 GMT -5
Maybe a return to form where every song is good, but certainly not because her last two albums were bad, which they weren't. A couple duds on each album does not make the overall album bad. You'll never convince me that: GI2M Heartbeat Miles Away She's Not Me Beat Goes On Dance 2night Devil Wouldn't Recognize You Voices Girl Gone Wild Gang Bang I'm Addicted Masterpiece Love Spent Fallin' Free Beautiful Killer I f**ked Up Love Spent (acoustic) ....make those albums overall bad. Nope. I would not say that her last two albums were bad…they just were a mixed bag and I believe sit in the lower part of her discography. I believe when you are an artist of her caliber people expect more than what she has been delivering. With MDNA she simply picked a stinker of a lead single…however most of the stronger songs on that album were not really radio type songs in my opinion.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jan 4, 2015 20:39:22 GMT -5
A couple duds on each album does not make the overall album bad. You'll never convince me that Me neither, which is why I have been singing the praises of both of those albums in this thread since...forever. In fact, I have been on record in this thread as saying, on the whole, I enjoyed Confessions, MDNA, and Hard Candy more than any of her albums overall, so yeah, you're preaching to the choir here.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 4, 2015 20:53:41 GMT -5
I became a fan of M when I was blown away with Confessions, but since then I have explored and appreciated her past albums before that especially ROL. II love all her albums and think each are uniquely different. AL, HC and MDNA secured my faith in her as I became a stan but I don't think I have ever been more excited for the release of Rebel Heart. Maybe it's because I've followed her on Instagram all year and maybe it's just a gut feeling that she will slay and amaze with this album.
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 4, 2015 21:18:32 GMT -5
I'm so glad this thread is getting back on track. I was afraid it would get locked with some of the circuitous debates.
In other news, I downloaded "Devil Pray" today and I absolutely love it!!!!! I'm happy with this trickle effect idea I had because I can digest each song as it's own entity until I know it like the back of my hand and then start listening to the intended sequencing and see the larger body of work take shape.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 4, 2015 22:01:38 GMT -5
I think it's a smart strategy for her team to introduce new songs leading up to the release date of the album. It makes it all cohesive and bold to do this. On Fenruary 9 we will get more new songs to download leading up to a highly anticipated so called final of a trilogy. on March 10 of a complete 19 track album. The hype will be huge. Of the songs out now I would rate in order Ghosttown, Living for Love, Devil Pray and I have warmed up extremely to Unapologetic Bitch. Based on these and what I have read about the praise of the leaked demos, this album may just be her best.
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Post by darko95 on Jan 5, 2015 4:29:59 GMT -5
I'm here for "Ghosttown" to be a smash from her album.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 5, 2015 6:21:35 GMT -5
Devil Pray should have been the first single, imo. I hope it is the 2nd or 3rd one now.
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Post by Dreams on Jan 5, 2015 8:22:05 GMT -5
I'm here for "Ghosttown" to be a smash from her album. This needs to be a single at some point, with a really good, cinematic video to it. To me it's just as strong a ballad as her classic ones like "Crazy For You" and "Live To Tell". I haven't loved a slow song by Madonna so much, since... "Time Stood Still"?
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Post by @DjKingBee on Jan 5, 2015 10:33:10 GMT -5
i am still here for UB or BIM to be a single. at least videos !!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 5, 2015 12:29:32 GMT -5
Yes for "Ghosttown" being a single- and as said earlier in the thread, usage in an apocalyptic-type TV show or film would give it great exposure.
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Post by Juanca on Jan 5, 2015 14:08:42 GMT -5
I think BIM could be a single... I'm not sure if she could have a RHY only single but its itunes performance was quite promising. Research is needed though. I remember people pushing for Give it 2 me as a single due to its itunes performance, and then it flopped (other tracks seemed better suited for radio, especially when the label didn't do a radio edit deleting or shortening the "stupid" bridge)
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 5, 2015 19:53:03 GMT -5
"Skiing is believing! Nature never lies.#ghostown" -Madonna "You can go through life as a tourist or a spy! The tourist looks for the good and the spy only sees whats wrong! #ghostown" -Madonna "Look what i found on the Glacier! Quille du Diable! The Pin of the Devil. #devilpray" -Madonna "My favorite new Hat! #rebelheart" -Madonna "My new Boyfriend! Mr. Marmoset Hard and Silent! #peopledontknowthings" -Madonna Love you, Queen!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 5, 2015 20:14:11 GMT -5
I winder if Interscope will promote the version featuring vocals from MNEK? I could see a radio promo for that, moreso than the version that's already been released. Unless MNEK's vocals simply replace the male vocals already on the released track.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 2:22:31 GMT -5
All this judgmental, sanctimonious finger-wagging just shows that despite her status Madonna is still the underdog "finger-wagging" omg drag them, Memaw!
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jan 6, 2015 2:53:04 GMT -5
I winder if Interscope will promote the version featuring vocals from MNEK? I could see a radio promo for that, moreso than the version that's already been released. Unless MNEK's vocals simply replace the male vocals already on the released track. I see the version with MNEK's vocals as a single mix. It would be a great opportunity to introduce MNEK to a wider audience.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 6, 2015 8:30:20 GMT -5
Debbie Gibson is stanning for The Queen! And I quote, "The Queen Madonna has done it again!!!!"
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 6, 2015 9:20:59 GMT -5
Of course she has. Debbie had Madonna-like singles in her day, so no doubt she's a big fan.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 6, 2015 9:59:40 GMT -5
The Boston Globe excited for Madonna’s Rebel Heart: “Give us more, please!” The Boston Globe included Madonna’s Rebel Heart in the list of the albums we’re looking forward to in 2015. And who can disagree? “The bad news is that an online leak of unfinished demos forced Madonna to suddenly release six new songs last month,” writes the Boston Globe. “The good news? Those six songs are among the freshest work she has done in recent memory, a promising glimmer of what will be Madonna’s 13th studio album. “Rebel Heart” is “the old me and the new me all mixed in together”, said Madonna to Billboard, and “Living for Love” (produced by Diplo) certainly gives that impression with its mashup of house music and gospel overtones.” Ghosttown is exceptional, a big-hearted ballad you could easily hear nonstop on the radio. “Give us more, please,” adds the Boston Globe’s James Reed.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 6, 2015 10:30:27 GMT -5
Gary Trust of Billboard tweeted: New singles going to radio! @elliegoulding "Love Me Like You Do" (Jan. 13), madonna "Living for Love" (Feb. 10), @maroon5 "Sugar" (Feb. 17)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 6, 2015 10:33:17 GMT -5
That's right after the Grammys. Maybe the single version will have something different to what's already been released.
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